[Number 10 GI]

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

Criminals get most of their guns from straw purchases. A straw buyer is a person who has no criminal record and is therefore not a prohibited person. That individual will then legally purchase the gun from a gun dealer and give it to the criminal.

[Number 10 GI]

I stated in another thread that straw buyers weren't prosecuted, here is why.

'Straw Buyers' Of Guns Break The Law — And Often Get Away With It : NPR

Instead of making more laws that hinder the honest individual from purchasing a firearm, lets pass some laws that make it easier to prosecute the individual that provides criminals with the majority of their firearms.

[Velvet]

In high school one person gets it, and then other guys/girls “book” it out.

[npwalters]

New Report on Where Criminals Get Their Guns
By Robert VerBruggen

January 10, 2019 12:19 PM





From the Department of Justice. It’s nothing earthshattering, but it’s a good update to old surveys of prison inmates.
Among prisoners serving time for a crime during which they possessed a gun, about half got their weapons either on the underground market (43 percent) or through theft (6 percent). Meanwhile, 10 percent bought guns from a retail source, including 0.8 percent who bought them at gun shows.




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Another 11 percent of the time, someone else bought the gun for them, either as a gift or as a straw purchase (situations I wish the survey separated). Roughly 15 percent got guns from family and friends (buying, renting, trading, borrowing). And 12 percent of the time, the guns were either brought to the crime by someone else or found at the scene.
An obvious policy implication is that it would be very difficult to regulate most of these transactions — the underground market is by definition unregulated; people in criminal social networks are not going to follow gun laws; theft is already illegal; licensed dealers already conduct background checks. A fair counterargument, though, is that most guns begin life with a legal sale from a dealer, so there may be ways to stop guns from entering the illegal market to begin with.

[Midnight Cowgirl]

Regarding where do criminals get their guns?
In my opinion, my brain tells me that most criminals get their weapons from other criminals.
It's the old story, you know -- Birds of a feather . . . . .

[John_W]

Just google gun shops and pawn shops robbed in Orlando, you'll see there was three gun shops robbed in a very short time recently.

orlando two gun shops robbed in July august - Google Search

[leftyf]

Don't forget the "Fast and Furious"

[GrumpyOldMan]

I expect some get them from Cracker Jack boxes!

[Topspinmo]

There are so many guns out there now way to control majority of them. You can outlaw all guns and they will still be accessible to criminals 100 years from now, but not accessible to law bidding citizens. Firearm contraband shipped everyday into this country through several black market dealers as elsewhere all over the world. As mentioned even the federal government couldn’t control assault weapons they tried to trace by selling to drug lord gang members to get to head do the snake. Even some of those are still out there.

I watched documentary on untraceable semiautomatic handguns made from scratch from Philippine’s and other’s elsewhere. They when through several black market dealers before reaching streets of any major city all over the world and most made the way to Americans, of course each time they changed hands and borders the price when up from $200 to $300 to over $2000. IMO only way to stop the murders in try to change culture and environment that’s breeds gun violence?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

There are so many guns out there now way to control majority of them. You can outlaw all guns and they will still be accessible to criminals 100 years from now, but not accessible to law bidding citizens. Firearm contraband shipped everyday into this country through several black market dealers as elsewhere all over the world. As mentioned even the federal government couldn’t control assault weapons they tried to trace by selling to drug lord gang members to get to head do the snake. Even some of those are still out there.

I watched documentary on untraceable semiautomatic handguns made from scratch from Philippine’s and other’s elsewhere. They when through several black market dealers before reaching streets of any major city all over the world and most made the way to Americans, of course each time they changed hands and borders the price when up from $200 to $300 to over $2000. IMO only way to stop the murders in try to change culture and environment that’s breeds gun violence?

Lets pretend for the minute that "they" began collecting the guns, in an effort to get rid of all the guns and "they" managed to collect and destroy 10,000 guns per day across the country. It would take 82 years to collect and destroy ALL the guns currently in circulation.

Of course that is not counting any additional guns smuggled in during that 82 years - maybe a few?

In other words, if anyone is pushing the idea that we should ban all guns, it isn't going to happen, so let's talk about some other plans.

And of course that also assumes no one is resistant to the idea of giving up their guns - .

[billethkid]

As Moses said.....out of my cold dead hands!!

[pauld315]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

Criminals get most of their guns from straw purchases. A straw buyer is a person who has no criminal record and is therefore not a prohibited person. That individual will then legally purchase the gun from a gun dealer and give it to the criminal.

I don't know about other states but in Florida, when you buy a gun you have to go through a federal background check even if you have a CCW. When filling out that form (ATF 4473) , among other things, the first thing you have to attest that you are not purchasing the gun for another person. You also are not allowed to sell the gun to anybody who has had a felony against them and anybody who is not a resident of Florida.

If you choose to lie on the background check or sell the gun to a felon and are caught it is a felony. That is a steep price to pay to buy a gun as a straw man.

Most criminals get their guns on the street. They are usually stolen and have the serial numbers removed.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl

My brain tells me that most criminals get their weapons from other criminals.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by pauld315

I don't know about other states but in Florida, when you buy a gun you have to go through a federal background check even if you have a CCW. When filling out that form (ATF 4473) , among other things, the first thing you have to attest that you are not purchasing the gun for another person. You also are not allowed to sell the gun to anybody who has had a felony against them and anybody who is not a resident of Florida.

If you choose to lie on the background check or sell the gun to a felon and are caught it is a felony. That is a steep price to pay to buy a gun as a straw man.

Most criminals get their guns on the street. They are usually stolen and have the serial numbers removed.

Did you read the links that were posted citing sources in the ATF and FBI as to the sources of guns for criminals?

[sajoe]

Over and over the "real"issue is not guns but about people. People who will believe what they want to believe ("personal truth"). Want to take away guns from law abiding people and do nothing to the guilty? Anyone actually concerned about gun crime should ask their local law enforcement such questions as: 1. How many guns were reported stolen in your resident county? 2. How many were recovered? 3. How many people were charged with possession of a stolen gun? 4. What was the sentence they received? 5. What was the perpetrators criminal history? OH! Too much trouble? Too much information? Let's just pass another law.