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ficoguy 04-23-2020 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1751403)
I don't get why the richest country in the world is at #42 on the tests/1M population chart (Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,628,469 Cases and 183,491 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer). It is still very difficult to get a test weeks after we were promised they were available to everyone.

If we don't know where we stand re infections (the hidden threat), how can we make a sane decision that it's safe to go back to business as usual?

Hope is not a strategy. I've no confidence in what they're telling me - it is NOT safe to go back to "normal" until we get more testing done.

If we needed 100 million test kits for The Clap, do we have them? Nooooooo.....

ficoguy 04-23-2020 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ficoguy (Post 1751828)
If we needed 100 million test kits for The Clap, do we have them? Nooooooo.....

We are not the richest per capita.

LiverpoolWalrus 04-23-2020 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by davem4616 (Post 1751794)
we all know what the symptoms for this virus are

unless you have those symptoms you don't have the virus

That is just not true in all cases. It seems that people with symptoms are more contagious, yes, but the virus can be spread by asymptomatic people, too. This is all over cable news, the internet, radio news/talk shows, newspapers, magazines. And at least two people on this thread alone appear to be unaware of this.

The Silent Spreaders Of COVID-19: Asymptomatic, Presymptomatic, Mildly Symptomatic Cases : Goats and Soda : NPR

ficoguy 04-23-2020 09:33 AM

Do we have 100 million test kits if people somehow decided we all needed a test for venereal disease? I highly doubt we have 100 million of any kinds of tests - these kits deteriorate if not used over time. I'm not talking about cotton swabs - I'm talking about the chemicals and reagents that are used to process the swab. Its ridiculous to assume we can get tested anytime, anywhere for anything. There is a ramp up period. Oh, and someone has to pay for these too...

Joelack99 04-23-2020 09:43 AM

We are behind in testing because our administration failed to plan properly for a pandemic. It was obvious that one would come eventually. There was a Pandemic planning commission, dissolved by the administration who didn’t read the science. CDC made a mistake with their test. This happens. But there was no one in the administration with a Plan B, a requirement for all critical planning elements.

They could have recovered. WHO made their test available. We didn’t ask for it. Other countries had tests we could have used. We didn’t ask.

Instead, we chose to go private, perhaps so certain companies could take a windfall? (This is unproven but provides a possible motive.)

Anyway, we didn’t plan to succeed, so we failed at the #1 task in an epidemic. We had poor leadership at the federal level. That’s the bottom line.

It did not have to be this way. And people have died and many more will die because of it.

cemlopez 04-23-2020 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1751403)
I don't get why the richest country in the world is at #42 on the tests/1M population chart (Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,628,469 Cases and 183,491 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer). It is still very difficult to get a test weeks after we were promised they were available to everyone.

If we don't know where we stand re infections (the hidden threat), how can we make a sane decision that it's safe to go back to business as usual?

Hope is not a strategy. I've no confidence in what they're telling me - it is NOT safe to go back to "normal" until we get more testing done.

What? We have tested more people than the rest of the World combine.
Maybe a good question is why the previous federal and local administrations were so ill prepare to handle a situation like the one we find ourselves in.

dplars 04-23-2020 09:45 AM

Also, its the States responsibility, some are on the ball some are not, in addition compare the geographical size of what you are comparing. to. I'm vulnerable, no symptoms no need to test

ficoguy 04-23-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Chatbrat (Post 1751421)
Testing is only a snap shot in time--you could be negative one day & positive 24 hours latter--the only thing that matters is a cure or better yet a vaccine--

Assuming the test is accurate - which it is only 88% of the time

JimJohnson 04-23-2020 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1751403)
I don't get why the richest country in the world is at #42 on the tests/1M population chart (Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,628,469 Cases and 183,491 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer). It is still very difficult to get a test weeks after we were promised they were available to everyone.

If we don't know where we stand re infections (the hidden threat), how can we make a sane decision that it's safe to go back to business as usual?

Hope is not a strategy. I've no confidence in what they're telling me - it is NOT safe to go back to "normal" until we get more testing done.

This pandemic was set in motion 3 years ago.

nancymiller217@yahoo.com 04-23-2020 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1751551)
Let’s see, new virus and 350 million plus people. they are testing the hot spots, our area not considered hot spot

Not to mention the Chinese delayed getting us a virus sample, they had to create the tests from scratch because it’s a new virus, had to get equipment to run the tests

AND we have everything in the country shut down at a time when we suddenly need to manufacture 350 million plus swabs, test tubes, reagents, and test machines. Even now they are saying they will only be able to manufacture 20 million or so swabs a month.

So absent, a magic wand to magically create tests, I don’t know where people thought they were going to come from.

blueash 04-23-2020 10:41 AM

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If we needed 100 million test kits for The Clap, do we have them? Nooooooo....
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Originally Posted by ficoguy (Post 1751835)
Do we have 100 million test kits if people somehow decided we all needed a test for venereal disease? I highly doubt we have 100 million of any kinds of tests - these kits deteriorate if not used over time. I'm not talking about cotton swabs - I'm talking about the chemicals and reagents that are used to process the swab. Its ridiculous to assume we can get tested anytime, anywhere for anything. There is a ramp up period. Oh, and someone has to pay for these too...

Do you want to prove that we don't have enough COVID kits because we don't have enough STD tests, proving we don't have enough to test for anything to the mystical 100 million.

Sorry, you're wrong. This country would have no problem doing 100 million tests for gonorrhea. All you need in a pinch is a microscope and a stain. I'm not sure why you picked an STD as your benchmark as there are thousands less available tests.

JimJohnson 04-23-2020 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cemlopez (Post 1751847)
What? We have tested more people than the rest of the World combine.
Maybe a good question is why the previous federal and local administrations were so ill prepare to handle a situation like the one we find ourselves in.

Great programs were put in place but cancelled under the current administration.

mvbird 04-23-2020 11:32 AM

Exactly what I was going to say. People should only be tested if they have symptoms, and then it is to be treated or quarantined. It is a waste of time and money to test everyone. You could have a positive test today, feel happy, go shopping and pick up the virus. The test just measures you at that point in time.

ficoguy 04-23-2020 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by David Fletcher (Post 1751599)
The original post states America is richest country in the world. If ever a statement was wrong.

Perhaps the problem is summed up with that statement.

If Americans believe that, then I guess they believe anything.

We are not the richest per capita. That's how wealth is measured

kathy1516 04-23-2020 11:44 AM

False security. Unless you’ve never stopped at a grocery store, picked up a prescription, came in contact with no other human beings or touched anything other than in your own house after disinfecting everything each time you leave your garage than no, you are still apt to be able to contract the virus! False security!

BevSparks 04-23-2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1751403)
I don't get why the richest country in the world is at #42 on the tests/1M population chart (Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,628,469 Cases and 183,491 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer). It is still very difficult to get a test weeks after we were promised they were available to everyone.

If we don't know where we stand re infections (the hidden threat), how can we make a sane decision that it's safe to go back to business as usual?


Hope is not a strategy. I've no confidence in what they're telling me - it is NOT safe to go back to "normal" until we get more testing done.

If you've remained in quarantine for at 2/3 weeks, then you don't need to be tested for the virus. Later we will have antibody tests available to determine who has had the virus and who needs to self-protect later in the year if the virus returns.
If you fall into the group with one or more health issues that can cause life threatening side effects from the virus, then you should stay home until the second phase of "reopening" begins. I fall into that group so I will be wearing a mask and practice distance for a while longer, even though I think I had the virus from taking a cruise in early Dec.
It's all bolis down to common sense... imo We all need to practice safety health measures going forward, like wearing a mask when sick with colds, etc so we don't spread germs...

BevSparks 04-23-2020 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ficoguy (Post 1751850)
Assuming the test is accurate - which it is only 88% of the time

Step daughter had test taken 2 days ago in MA and was told 1 of 3 are false negatives.. She is very sick and probably has covid, said she can retest and she said, no thank you...

TesaA 04-23-2020 01:40 PM

Thank You … we need the perspective!

ficoguy 04-23-2020 01:45 PM

Its a damned big country

Lindsyburnsy 04-23-2020 03:08 PM

All you have to do is turn on all except one cable and/or other news outlet you would have been informed that people most governors are begging for the test kits, or supplies that make up the test kits. For instance, the cotton swabs are scarce. Also, the testing machines are now found to be inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by karostay (Post 1751407)
Your source is ?


Lindsyburnsy 04-23-2020 03:17 PM

We have not tested more than any other country in the world. That is called gaslighting. Everyone that wants a test can get one...false statement. Documents show that Administration knew about an impending pandemic and even did a dry run on what to do. Now the best and brightest vaccine expert who is working frantically to find a vaccine for this Covid 19, has been fired because he wouldn't agree with what was being touted as the "game changer" drug and wanted the $$$ to be used for researching a vaccine. This is why we are the leader in deaths. People who have died at home or in nursing homes are only now being counted. This is a real mess we are in. Then, we have the luxury of waiting until fall to add regular flu season on top of CV19. Start sewing those masks, you're going to need them.

mtlee024 04-23-2020 03:47 PM

What?
 
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Originally Posted by skarra (Post 1751403)
I don't get why the richest country in the world is at #42 on the tests/1M population chart (Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,628,469 Cases and 183,491 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer). It is still very difficult to get a test weeks after we were promised they were available to everyone.

If we don't know where we stand re infections (the hidden threat), how can we make a sane decision that it's safe to go back to business as usual?

Hope is not a strategy. I've no confidence in what they're telling me - it is NOT safe to go back to "normal" until we get more testing done.

Who is to say we are. Also, not everyone needs a test, only if you have basic symptoms. You could have a negative test today and contract the virus the next day. A lot of people think the test is the answer, it is not. The answer is a vaccine to prevent you from getting Covid 19 and a process or drug to eliminate the virus if you get it. Think straight not negatively.

biker1 04-23-2020 03:48 PM

Please provide credible sources to substantiate your claims.

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1752050)
We have not tested more than any other country in the world. That is called gaslighting. Everyone that wants a test can get one...false statement. Documents show that Administration knew about an impending pandemic and even did a dry run on what to do. Now the best and brightest vaccine expert who is working frantically to find a vaccine for this Covid 19, has been fired because he wouldn't agree with what was being touted as the "game changer" drug and wanted the $$$ to be used for researching a vaccine. This is why we are the leader in deaths. People who have died at home or in nursing homes are only now being counted. This is a real mess we are in. Then, we have the luxury of waiting until fall to add regular flu season on top of CV19. Start sewing those masks, you're going to need them.


Dilligas 04-23-2020 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1751678)
Agreed. The blood test to detect antibodies to COVID is what I really want. I feel I've had the virus, with a mild version of most of the symptoms. It would ease my mind to know I was able to fight it.

If you have symptoms, call your doctor and through him you can arrange a test. A lot quicker than waiting, reading TOV, complaining, and fretting.

Aces4 04-23-2020 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JimJohnson (Post 1751923)
Great programs were put in place but cancelled under the current administration.

Really? If the previous administration had all this in place, who stole all the ventilators, masks, gowns, etc.? Where did they all go? Oh wait, the governor of New York, as one of example, decided his state didn’t need them. Well, there goes your theory.

Twiganne 04-23-2020 07:35 PM

Nobody can prepare for a pandemic. A pandemic of what. You can plan testing on a virus that hasn’t even been sequenced until found. They figured out the genetic code really quickly. You just don’t wish them here. Another thing the pandemic team was not dissolved just moved to another department. There was still a pandemic office.

Lindsyburnsy 04-24-2020 05:49 AM

Every news outlet except one conservative outlet. QUOTE=karostay;1751407]Your source is ?[/QUOTE]

TNLAKEPANDA 04-24-2020 08:08 AM

What a stupid statement.

ficoguy 04-24-2020 08:21 AM

Why not test everyone for venereal disease while they're at it?

ColdNoMore 04-24-2020 08:32 AM

We DO NOT do more testing "than every other country combined." :oops:

One only has to do a rudimentary search...to find out that fact.

My previous post, with link, apparently didn't meet the site guidelines, but one can do it themselves...if one cares about honesty & truth. :ho:

graciegirl 04-24-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1752050)
We have not tested more than any other country in the world. That is called gaslighting. Everyone that wants a test can get one...false statement. Documents show that Administration knew about an impending pandemic and even did a dry run on what to do. Now the best and brightest vaccine expert who is working frantically to find a vaccine for this Covid 19, has been fired because he wouldn't agree with what was being touted as the "game changer" drug and wanted the $$$ to be used for researching a vaccine. This is why we are the leader in deaths. People who have died at home or in nursing homes are only now being counted. This is a real mess we are in. Then, we have the luxury of waiting until fall to add regular flu season on top of CV19. Start sewing those masks, you're going to need them.

I looked that up, about firing the PHD who was NOT the best and brightest vaccine expert as you say, but still the man hired for the job. Let's be fair here in our debates. I think he was fired because of not keeping all available treatments open and of course not doing what the boss wanted him to do....

It is just as bad to generalize and exaggerate as it is to listen to just one side all of the time.

Yes. We are in a mess, but we are not alone in this mess. This awful thing started in November and it has inflicted itself on the world. Everyone is trying to make sense of it, not just the U.S.

Count me as someone who is more interested in listening to the medical doctors than to the politicians on EITHER side about this "mess"

I am so glad we have two M.D.s here in The Villages who regularly step in with needed medical direction. I am sure that no one is going to inject themselves with bleach. I also dislike just trying to make someone MAD over things like the fellow kidding about buying stock in bleach.. It is pointless and we certainly don't need that now. THANK HEAVENS FOR Doctors BLUEASH AND Golfing Eagle.

Bucco 04-24-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1752402)
I looked that up, about firing the PHD who was NOT the best and brightest vaccine expert as you say, but still the man hired for the job. Let's be fair here in our debates. I think he was fired because of not keeping all available treatments open and of course not doing what the boss wanted him to do....

It is just as bad to generalize and exaggerate as it is to listen to just one side all of the time.

Yes. We are in a mess, but we are not alone in this mess. This awful thing started in November and it has inflicted itself on the world. Everyone is trying to make sense of it, not just the U.S.

Count me as someone who is more interested in listening to the medical doctors than to the politicians on EITHER side about this "mess"

I am so glad we have two M.D.s here in The Villages who regularly step in with needed medical direction. I am sure that no one is going to inject themselves with bleach. I also dislike just trying to make someone MAD over things like the fellow kidding about buying stock in bleach.. It is pointless and we certainly don't need that now. THANK HEAVENS FOR Doctors BLUEASH AND Golfing Eagle.

Seems to me, we in the USA are used to a government response that is consistent, steady and reliable in times of national stress or emergency.

From bungled attempts to keep all quiet, to bungled tests and refusal to acknowledge that fact, to trying to message everything, we simply kept running into ourselves. We still are doing that.

This is not to say the USA was to blame for this virus,but refusal to acknowledge or investigate when our Intelligence agency began to pass warnings, very early on, about what would happen if we did not act, and subsequent actions were counterproductive.

graciegirl 04-24-2020 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1752418)
Seems to me, we in the USA are used to a government response that is consistent, steady and reliable in times of national stress or emergency.

From bungled attempts to keep all quiet, to bungled tests and refusal to acknowledge that fact, to trying to message everything, we simply kept running into ourselves. We still are doing that.

This is not to say the USA was to blame for this virus,but refusal to acknowledge or investigate when our Intelligence agency began to pass warnings, very early on, about what would happen if we did not act, and subsequent actions were counterproductive.

Count me in as someone who is far more interested in what the medical doctors have to say than to ANY political rhetoric on this issue.

npwalters 04-24-2020 09:17 AM

I just read through all of these with reactions that varied from chuckles to disgusted head shakes. What is clear to me is that this group - like the press - is more about a political agenda than about a rational evaluation of the known facts.

Fishers2tall 04-24-2020 09:21 AM

Simply not true.
 
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Originally Posted by Joelack99 (Post 1751846)
There was a Pandemic planning commission, dissolved by the administration who didn’t read the science.

This is simply not true. This has been proven to be fake news by the person who led that commission.

No, the White House Didn’t ‘Dissolve’ Its Pandemic Response Office | RealClearPolitics

Bucco 04-24-2020 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1752426)
Count me in as someone who is far more interested in what the medical doctors have to say than to ANY political rhetoric on this issue.

AMEN...no, double AMEN to that.

Our medical folks have been as consistent as possible, but they are not as loud it seems.

We agree totally....the political crap should cease. A medical update for the country should not be a rally.

TexaninVA 04-24-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1752429)
I just read through all of these with reactions that varied from chuckles to disgusted head shakes. What is clear to me is that this group - like the press - is more about a political agenda than about a rational evaluation of the known facts.

Medical and technical content notwithstanding, for anyone who actually watches the daily WH briefing, it's OBVIOUS the press is in attack mode.

Some ask good questions, but most of the "press" are always seeking the gotcha question, or otherwise seeking to discredit. :ohdear:

It's political warfare and not that well disguised. That kind of political crap, as one poster put it, should indeed cease.

Bucco 04-24-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 1752497)
Medical and technical content notwithstanding, for anyone who actually watches the daily WH briefing, it's OBVIOUS the press is in attack mode.

Some ask good questions, but most of the "press" are always seeking the gotcha question, or otherwise seeking to discredit. :ohdear:

It's political warfare and not that well disguised. That kind of political crap, as one poster put it, should indeed cease.

Wondering what kind of "political" attack would take place to the medical folks ? Wondering if anything they said thus far has been attacked on scene ?

I worked most of my life in politics. This is a staged arena, and it is a shame as we deserve unfiltered information on this situation.

Bogie Shooter 04-24-2020 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Twiganne (Post 1752154)
Nobody can prepare for a pandemic. A pandemic of what. You can plan testing on a virus that hasn’t even been sequenced until found. They figured out the genetic code really quickly. You just don’t wish them here. Another thing the pandemic team was not dissolved just moved to another department. There was still a pandemic office.

with a desk and a note pad

TexaninVA 04-24-2020 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1752502)
Wondering what kind of "political" attack would take place to the medical folks ? Wondering if anything they said thus far has been attacked on scene ?

I worked most of my life in politics. This is a staged arena, and it is a shame as we deserve unfiltered information on this situation.

If you've worked most of your life in politics, it should then be easy to recognized the political warfare that's, as I said, obvious. Maybe not?


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