Exactly the issue; I would include the politicians, most of which are lawyers.

Must say - I'm livid with the father of the TX school killer. I've read the following accounts from several sources - copied below.

...so the Father attributes his son's hunting down students due to being 'bullied'. So his little boy's feelings got hurt...and resolved by this? Sure, he was a "good boy". But evidence continues to show a warped mind and obsession with violence. And apparently the weapons were in 'a closet'. The most irritating of the father's comments were that he has the "same exact pain" as the other parents. OMG - how irrational is that? and, he feels his son is a "victim".
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Texas school shooting: Accused shooter's dad believes bullying behind rampage

(CNN)The father of the teenager accused of killing 10 people at Santa Fe High School in Texas says his son was a "good boy," and he believes bullying drove him to perpetrate last week's deadly rampage.

Antonios Pagourtzis' claims came during a brief phone interview Monday with The Wall Street Journal.
Pagourtzis' son, 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, is on suicide watch at the Galveston County Jail, where he is being held without bail. He has not entered a plea to the charges of capital murder of multiple people and aggravated assault on a public servant.
In a probable cause statement, authorities said he admitted to the shooting.

His father told the Journal that Dimitrios was "mistreated at school" and "I believe that's what was behind" the shooting.
In a statement over the weekend, the Santa Fe Independent School District said it was aware of false reports "about SFISD high school coaches and bully-like behaviors toward the student shooter." The administration investigated the claims and determined they were untrue, the statement said.
Father had run-ins with law
Pagourtzis, who business records show owns North American Marine Inc., a ship repair and industrial cleaning company in Houston, north of Santa Fe, told the Journal he struggled to get where he is today. He left his village in northern Greece when he was 12 with only the clothes he was wearing and a spare set of boots, he said.
"This country treated us well. I worked hard and became a shipowner. I had three ships, which I sold," he told the paper. "Now ... our lives are shattered."

According to Harris County court records, Pagourtzis was twice charged with misdemeanor assault -- in 1987 and 2012 -- and both cases were dismissed. In 2008, he was convicted of illegally dumping wood materials, records show.

In the 2012 case, Pagourtzis punched a man and "grabbed his face and hit his head on the ground causing his nose to bleed" after, Pagourtzis alleged, the man hurt dogs at his shop, a police affidavit said.
It's unclear why the cases were dismissed, and neither Pagourtzis' nor the alleged victim's attorneys could be reached for comment.

During the interview with The Wall Street Journal, Antonios Pagourtzis wouldn't discuss how his son came to acquire the weapons used in Friday's attack, the paper reported.
The suspect was armed with a sawed-off shotgun and a .38-caliber handgun, and Gov. Greg Abbott said last week that the teen obtained the guns from his father. A law enforcement official told CNN that authorities are still trying to determine whether that's the case.


In a Saturday interview with Greece's Antenna TV, Pagourtzis said he owned the guns used in the attack and Dimitrios took them from his closet.

"I feel the pain of the others, but I have the same pain. I have the same exact pain," Pagourtzis said, according to a translation of the interview. "Something must have happened now, this last week. Somebody probably came and hurt him, and since he was a solid boy, I don't know what could have happened. I can't say what happened. All I can say is what I suspect as a father, because I've lost my boy.
"My son, to me, is not a criminal. He's a victim."

Sounds like they have already been lawyered up!!!
The permissiveness will continue!!

Now that's funny..

Interesting. I was not aware that the Associated Press, and the Chicago Tribune who quoted Bobby Rush, were part of Breibart news. Of course, reading a little bit further in the thread would have shown the response to the referenced post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

NRA's Chris Cox falsely says Dianne Feinstein wanted to take 'all of your guns' | PolitiFact

What, the NRA...again?!

Facts Matter"

Response:
The link was in regards to the Chris Fox statement about her assault weapons ban. I was referring to:

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe."

Dianne Feinstein (US Senator, D-CA); quoted by the Associated Press Newswire, 1993-11-18

and there is also:

"The national guard fulfills the the militia mentioned in the Second Amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves."

Dianne Feinstein (US Senator, D-CA)

And I will also add in this quote from Bobby Rush, U.S. Representative from Illinois:

“My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don’t have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that’s the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation.” Chicago Tribune, December 5, 1999

Alvin C. York was my grandmothers first cousin :)

That is cool. I have a female friend whose dad was a sniper in WWII. She hates guns but was a sure shot at the air pistol range here in the Villages.

Need new ideas.
 

Schools with spread out campuses and buildings, characteristic of universities, will require a different approach. As it has been repeatedly demonstrated, school shooters tend to take their own lives as soon as confronted by armed opposition. Ten states now have provisions allowing the carrying of concealed weapons on public post-secondary campuses. These states are Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Texas, Utah and Wisconsin. This makes it more likely that a campus shooter will be confronted more quickly.

Frankly, I'm surprised that we haven't seen more mall shootings, although there have been some. Again, ordinary citizens legally carrying concealed weapons are a deterrent.

There is no such thing as perfect safety. Distracted drivers kill thousands of innocents annually. Backyard swimming pools kill thousands of children annually. Drug abuse kills thousands of people annually. Drunk drivers kill thousands of people annually.

About "limiting the destructive capability that individuals can own" think about the fact that the National Firearms Registry has a list of all owners of legally registered machine guns, short barrel shotguns, silencers, short barreled rifles, destructive devices, and "other" weapons. There are 3,656,034 of these items legally owned in the United States. In the past year none of them was used illegally.

Recognizing that a gun ban would only result in an underground Black Market for the banned items, let's come up with some other ways to deal with the problem.

Prattle, prattle, prattle. The subject at one time was what can be done. Secure the guns, secure the campuses. That can be done. It involves money, not excuses, as to how hard it will be. If anyone has a better idea as to were to start, please post it. As a society we bury starting points for social action so deep in kaka nothing ever gets accomplished.

Have you not seen or heard my appeal to forget the partisan anti gun BS and work on something that can be solved....how to protect the schools and the children.

Hypocrites will banter all day long about the guns. Not capable of spending 5 minutes toward making the schools safer.....how about we all agree to ban the guns is an impossible objective that does not accomplish making the schools safer and protect the children.

Now just why is it so hard to try to MAKE THE SCHOOLS SAFER??

After the initial post, after excluding all the 'nattering,' as described by one poster, after reading "Gun bans is not the answer," my question to the OP is "Well, it appears that gun bans are not the solution, then what are the answers?"

From the OP's next post, more questions: How viable is the suggestion of yet more mental health counseling, which is already prevalent in schools and does not necessarily pick up on who might be a potential shooter? And how does one create an atmosphere in schools of getting adolescents to squeal on other adolescents (even those whom they might hear about planning a shooting)? And how are we to address the situation of the father who not only provided the guns to his son (without realizing it, of course) but actually makes excuses for him? What of the suggestion to make the father bear responsibility for this horror?

And finally, "In the meantime, the immediate answer is to establish full security at the school buildings." Especially since the OP has worked in hostage negotiations, perhaps he can suggest how to implement this? I could be wrong, but I would think the problem of hostages comes after the fact, not before, in contrast with school or other mass shootings. And how does it help the situation to cite a large spread-out campus being problematic and so forth and not offering anything remotely addressing the problem?

I am not in agreement or disagreement, and I don't see that gun ban on one extreme or arming yet more personnel, including teachers, in schools the other extreme. These questions need answers for us to understand better what can be done in a realistic way. Can the OP provide cogent, sensible, practical ideas about how viably this can be dealt with? Or perhaps refer us to a source where these questions can be answered? I could never have made this post because, honestly, I have more questions than answers!

Also, while a solution must be found, who is going to pay for this? I constantly hear people griping and whining about having to pay taxes....

Strict civil and criminal liability for failure to secure the guns. The Houston father apparently is wealthy having owned companies in the area. He should be stripped of his assets though the civil court system, pay a massive fine and do jail time. Others as a result will be motivated to secure their weapons. If we can secure our government buildings, we can physically secure the schools. As to who pays, the taxpayer who now pays for the schools is first in line. Next in line, the fines for failure to secure the guns and as much as I find it disagreeable, tax the gun and ammunition manufacturers. If we can tax such things specifically such as oil products, gas, airplane flights, and medical device makers, etc., we can surely tax the gun and ammunition industry. If the price of a new Smith and Wesson revolver goes from $ 650 to $ 1,300, I guess people will just have to save a little longer before making the purchase.

Except for the facts
 

A crowd? Closer to a MOB. It is easy to lead a MOB because most want to be told by others what they should think.

As to assault rifles. I SUGGEST YOU ALL LOOK IT UP. Perhaps, if you do you will discover that you are being misinformed. An assault rifle is by definition AUTOMATIC
it is illegal and has been illegal to own since the 1920's.

Another school shooting today. The gun nuts say hohum, nothing can be done. Its not the guns, or the availability of guns, or guns in the wrong hands. No not the guns. Nothing can be done. So lets just keep sending thoughts and prayers while the NRA keeps buying our politicians.

YEP! :ohdear: