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golfing eagles 03-19-2021 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by davephan (Post 1917907)
I think it’s pretty easy to imagine that the COVID vaccination record will be required to board airlines, cruise ships, and stadium events in the future. The vaccination record card is larger than a credit card, which is pretty brain dead. They should have made the vaccination proof card the same size as a credit card so that it fits in a wallet.

I think that the seniors in Florida are going to top out at 70% to 75% vaccinations. The lower ages will have much more people who decide that they don’t want the vaccination. If and when the airlines, cruise ships, stadiums, and other large crowd events required the proof of vaccinations, those percentages will increase. But there will always be people who refuse the vaccinations.

Hopefully, the "when" is NEVER.
Just what we need-----a government or a business deciding where, when and how you can travel or attend an event based upon a vaccination database. Maybe George Orwell can add an addendum to 1984.
How about polio vaccine, or measles, or pertussis? How about Hepatitis B? Meningococcus? To answer a previous poster, I don't want to sit next to a person on a plane who has meningococcemia----which is 100x as contagious and 100x as deadly as COVID. I want them to have the same protection I have. But that should NEVER happen, because what is next? Put your political party on your passport, or religion, or sexual preference, or club memberships???? Couldn't ever happen??? That's what Germans thought in 1932.
Again, be very careful about what you wish for.

GPGuar 03-19-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1917346)
I guess you believe Vaccine Passports are a bad idea?

YES!! its a bad idea!

merrymini 03-19-2021 08:32 AM

If they require proof of a vaccine, how about people who got the virus and carry natural antibodies? How do you prove that? The assumption is that the vaccine will protect you better than your own body’s defense. Not proven at all. So this “proof” would hardly be unbiased and very discriminatory.

golfing eagles 03-19-2021 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1917924)
If they require proof of a vaccine, how about people who got the virus and carry natural antibodies? How do you prove that? The assumption is that the vaccine will protect you better than your own body’s defense. Not proven at all. So this “proof” would hardly be unbiased and very discriminatory.

Which opens a whole other can of worms regarding vaccine "passport" How long does the immunity from the vaccine last? How long for which vaccine? How long in persons of different ages? or race? or blood type?. Since the vaccine is 95% effective, that means it is ineffective in 1 in 20 vaccinated individuals, but those people will have "proof" of immunity. How long does immunity last after you had and recovered from COVID? Does it depend on the severity of the illness? Your weight? Your eye color???Nobody knows, yet people support putting this garbage on a passport or driver's license and then restricting travel or entry to a stadium on that basis. It is strictly fear driven and has NO BASIS in reality.

tuccillo 03-19-2021 08:40 AM

I could see a point where you would need to carry proof of a positive antibody test (a blood test). That would cover the case of either having had the vaccine or having had contracted the coronavirus. For example, a positive antibody test is one of three options for entry into the US Virgin Islands.


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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1917924)
If they require proof of a vaccine, how about people who got the virus and carry natural antibodies? How do you prove that? The assumption is that the vaccine will protect you better than your own body’s defense. Not proven at all. So this “proof” would hardly be unbiased and very discriminatory.


Buckeye Bob 03-19-2021 08:41 AM

Why are idiots like Dr. Fauci telling you to continue to wear 1 or 2 masks even after you've been vaccinated?

oneclickplus 03-19-2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1917252)
I surely hope this system to track our vaccinations will work as they claim it should. This will eliminate forgery for proof of vaccination.

Tracking the COVID-19 vaccine , from your arm to a CDC database

When the mRNA shot (not a vaccine) you all took causes latent immune deficiencies and / or auto-immune problems, you will wish you were not in that database.

Proudly not taking any COVID-19 shot. Sure, "they" can perhaps limit my access to venues, buses, planes, etc. But, that will all stop when they run out of customers who got the shot (not a vaccine)

Lemmings ... all of you who ... think St Anthony (Fauci) is telling the truth.

golfing eagles 03-19-2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by tuccillo (Post 1917928)
I could see a point where you would need to carry proof of a positive antibody test (a blood test). That would cover the case of either having had the vaccine or having had contracted the coronavirus. For example, a positive antibody test is one of three options for entry into the US Virgin Islands.

Of course, your antibodies won't last forever, so possible here today, gone tomorrow. So how often would you like people to be tested?

kbogli 03-19-2021 08:46 AM

We got our shots through Lake County at the Old Sears store in the Mall. When we went in for blood work at our Dr this week they had the info for both shots in our records, so information is being passed on.

golfing eagles 03-19-2021 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Bob (Post 1917929)
Why are idiots like Dr. Fauci telling you to continue to wear 1 or 2 masks even after you've been vaccinated?

Fauci is hardly an "idiot". So......first question----For how long have you been board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease and run the NIH ID division???? Oh, I thought so, therefore I doubt you have the credentials to call him an "idiot"
I know him, have had dinner with him several times and he is one of the brightest physicians on the planet. His recent actions have probably been influenced by both the political picture and the rapidly changing body of knowledge regarding COVID.

As far as the masks go, when people are in the grocery store or in a crowd, how do you or the store management know who has been vaccinated and who hasn't? Or do you subscribe to the "idiotic" thought that everyone should carry proof of vaccination on them?

Kwenner 03-19-2021 08:54 AM

Why should anyone be forced to prove vaccination? More importantly why should anyone be forced to be a Guinea pig for something untested and unproven!

Taltarzac725 03-19-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kbogli (Post 1917936)
We got our shots through Lake County at the Old Sears store in the Mall. When we went in for blood work at our Dr this week they had the info for both shots in our records, so information is being passed on.

I have a friend that got hers and her house mate's there a few days ago.

Mine is moderna which got in a rolling car parade at St. Vincent de Paul Catholic Church in Wildwood through Safe Restart. Received a CDC card with my birthday, name and the date of the shot and its type. This is a two shot deal.

This one really hurts by the way. Shoulder is still rather sore and was numb for a while.

tuccillo 03-19-2021 08:58 AM

I know the jury is still out on how long the antibodies last. I would not be surprised to see a requirement for an annual test for some types of travel once more data is available. The issue of variants of the virus is another issue. Just to be clear, it is not what I want or what I like. I am not qualified to specify requirements. I am speculating on what might actually come to pass and, in the case of the US Virgin Islands, is currently one of the three options for entry.


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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1917933)
Of course, your antibodies won't last forever, so possible here today, gone tomorrow. So how often would you like people to be tested?


davephan 03-19-2021 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1917920)
Hopefully, the "when" is NEVER.
Just what we need-----a government or a business deciding where, when and how you can travel or attend an event based upon a vaccination database. Maybe George Orwell can add an addendum to 1984.
How about polio vaccine, or measles, or pertussis? How about Hepatitis B? Meningococcus? To answer a previous poster, I don't want to sit next to a person on a plane who has meningococcemia----which is 100x as contagious and 100x as deadly as COVID. I want them to have the same protection I have. But that should NEVER happen, because what is next? Put your political party on your passport, or religion, or sexual preference, or club memberships???? Couldn't ever happen??? That's what Germans thought in 1932.
Again, be very careful about what you wish for.

I think it’s going to happen soon. It’s good and bad. The good is it will probably make large crowd gatherings safer, maybe. The bad, it’s closer to Nazi Germany, where people are demanding to see “your papers”!

Taltarzac725 03-19-2021 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by davephan (Post 1917952)
I think it’s going to happen soon. It’s good and bad. The good is it will probably make large crowd gatherings safer, maybe. The bad, it’s closer to Nazi Germany, where people are demanding to see “your papers”!

You need to show an ID to buy liquor and/or tobacco products. Think the cut off is if you look under 40 you need to show one.

I do not see a problem having to show a CDC vaccination card to board a plane, train or ship.

DIver0258 03-19-2021 09:09 AM

Vaccine Tracking
 
Was going to make a joke but thought better of it. A vaccine passport in just another name for a vaccination record to travel to certain areas. This is nothing new. I think folks are getting their dander up over wording.

coffeebean 03-19-2021 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1917834)
Why? If you are protected, why do you feel the need to have all others share your sentiments? I don’t understand the obsession with people demanding that everyone get vaccinated...

One reason....... for our country to achieve herd immunity SAFELY.

Bill14564 03-19-2021 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kbogli (Post 1917936)
We got our shots through Lake County at the Old Sears store in the Mall. When we went in for blood work at our Dr this week they had the info for both shots in our records, so information is being passed on.

Did you provide your insurance information when you were vaccinated? I know my insurance tracks any interaction I have with the medical profession.

Nordy 03-19-2021 09:35 AM

If I am vaccinated I don't care who else is or isn't. WAKE UP America.

graciegirl 03-19-2021 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gdennis317 (Post 1917593)
As usual, the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing.

Actually, if you registered more than once or at different providers, when your number in line comes up they call, etc. They would have to have access to State site and look each time, doubt that would happen due to time involved.

HOWSOMEEVER..........together they are doin' good getting the vaccine out in Florida. I love that Desantis uses private business and the Feds sent Fema. Daughter used Fema, no appointment, two hours wait, had to stand way too close and friendly to others in line. Husband and I used the one across from Fresh Market, No wait, done in car, extremely well handled. I vote for private enterprise.

Buckeye Bob 03-19-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1917941)
Fauci is hardly an "idiot". So......first question----For how long have you been board certified in Internal Medicine and Infectious Disease and run the NIH ID division???? Oh, I thought so, therefore I doubt you have the credentials to call him an "idiot"
I know him, have had dinner with him several times and he is one of the brightest physicians on the planet. His recent actions have probably been influenced by both the political picture and the rapidly changing body of knowledge regarding COVID.

As far as the masks go, when people are in the grocery store or in a crowd, how do you or the store management know who has been vaccinated and who hasn't? Or do you subscribe to the "idiotic" thought that everyone should carry proof of vaccination on them?

I don't claim to be the expert however, you didn't respond to my question. Why do you have to wear 1 or 2 masks after being vaccinated regardless of who you're with?
I'm really impressed that you know him and have even had dinner with him several times. 🤭🤭

golfing eagles 03-19-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Bob (Post 1918045)
I don't claim to be the expert however, you didn't respond to my question. Why do you have to wear 1 or 2 masks after being vaccinated regardless of who you're with?
I'm really impressed that you know him and have even had dinner with him several times. 🤭🤭

I thought I did, but perhaps I should explain further. It's going to be April soon, about 50-60% of Florida seniors will be vaccinated, and a much lower percentage of those under 40. You go into the grocery store, you don't need a mask because you've been vaccinated, but how does anyone know that? Then the next person who has not been vaccinated takes his mask off. Now what? You can see the confusion and turmoil this
would create, so the powers that be said everyone needs to wear a mask until they give the all clear signal. I agree with that, since there would be more injury and death from fights in the store than from COVID.
Since masks only have value in certain limited situations, double masking is the equivalent of twice nothing is still nothing (except in those limited situations). Probably some grad student got a grant to study double masking so now it's the gospel truth:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

SallyJ48 03-19-2021 01:02 PM

Go to Vaccine Adverse Reaction on your PC and report it yourself

SallyJ48 03-19-2021 01:23 PM

Even after 2 vaccines you are only partially protected. You can still get covid (altho a milder case) and carry and spread covid. Keep wearing the mask

Mrprez 03-19-2021 01:30 PM

One less thing for me to keep up with.

golfing eagles 03-19-2021 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SallyJ48 (Post 1918072)
Even after 2 vaccines you are only partially protected. You can still get covid (altho a milder case) and carry and spread covid. Keep wearing the mask

Just so very wrong. Please don't post what you know nothing about.

coffeebean 03-19-2021 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Bob (Post 1917929)
Why are idiots like Dr. Fauci telling you to continue to wear 1 or 2 masks even after you've been vaccinated?

We are all waiting to hear if vaccinated people can not transmit the virus. At this point in time, there is some evidence that vaccinated people MAY NOT transmit the virus but there are no conclusive results about that. So......because there is a possibility that fully vaccinated people may transmit the virus if they are infected, we continue to wear masks to protect those folks who are not vaccinated yet.

Then there are those variants we have to deal with. The more this virus spreads, the virus will just mutate more. These mutations can be mitigated if everyone will continue to mask up.

I can not wait for the day that the directive comes from the CDC that vaccinated people no longer have to wear masks because there is no chance they can infect others. I will ditch my masks so fast your head will spin. Until that day, I continue to mask up.

I assume you didn't get the memo and neither did Rand Paul! He looked like a fool sparring with Dr. Fauci. Seriously.

coffeebean 03-19-2021 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kbogli (Post 1917936)
We got our shots through Lake County at the Old Sears store in the Mall. When we went in for blood work at our Dr this week they had the info for both shots in our records, so information is being passed on.

That is what I want to hear. I have no doubt the information is being taken from your registration record, not the white card that was filled out by hand.

coffeebean 03-19-2021 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kwenner (Post 1917945)
Why should anyone be forced to prove vaccination? More importantly why should anyone be forced to be a Guinea pig for something untested and unproven!

In answer to your first question......so this damn virus does not spread to the point where natural herd immunity will surpass the safe herd immunity that vaccination affords us as a population.

In answer to your second, more important question......the mRNA vaccines have been tested by thousands of "heroes" in the trials. (they are not guinea pigs as you call them. You should be ashamed of yourself for saying that). As for being unproven? Really? So far the real life efficiency of the mRNA vaccines seem to be about on par with the efficacy in lab trials. THAT is epic!!!!! Millions of people world wide have been inoculated with these vaccines and so far, the vaccines appear to be working like a charm. Folks who are fully vaccinated but contract Covid are faring very well with either no symptoms or mild symptoms. Also, those folks have not transmitted the disease to others but that is still being tested and needs to be proven. Waiting at this point for the official test results about that though.

If you think what I have to say is a bunch of BS, do some research. That's what I have done. I feel as though I certainly made the right decision to be vaccinated for myself, my loved ones, my friends, and my community.

coffeebean 03-19-2021 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by davephan (Post 1917952)
I think it’s going to happen soon. It’s good and bad. The good is it will probably make large crowd gatherings safer, maybe. The bad, it’s closer to Nazi Germany, where people are demanding to see “your papers”!

Do you feel the same way when you have to show your passport for international travel?

coffeebean 03-19-2021 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1917983)
Did you provide your insurance information when you were vaccinated? I know my insurance tracks any interaction I have with the medical profession.

I did not give insurance information or SS#. The information I gave was name, address, email and phone numbers.

emb2458 03-19-2021 02:41 PM

Not working. Still getting notices and calls to get our vaccination. We have had both

coffeebean 03-19-2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nordy (Post 1917984)
If I am vaccinated I don't care who else is or isn't. WAKE UP America.

Are you not concerned about our country achieving safe herd immunity? That will protect those who are unable to be vaccinated because of medical issues.

As for protecting the anti-vaxxers.........they are NOT my concern.

coffeebean 03-19-2021 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1918056)
I thought I did, but perhaps I should explain further. It's going to be April soon, about 50-60% of Florida seniors will be vaccinated, and a much lower percentage of those under 40. You go into the grocery store, you don't need a mask because you've been vaccinated, but how does anyone know that? Then the next person who has not been vaccinated takes his mask off. Now what? You can see the confusion and turmoil this
would create, so the powers that be said everyone needs to wear a mask until they give the all clear signal. I agree with that, since there would be more injury and death from fights in the store than from COVID.
Since masks only have value in certain limited situations, double masking is the equivalent of twice nothing is still nothing (except in those limited situations). Probably some grad student got a grant to study double masking so now it's the gospel truth:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

golfing eagles..... I'm impressed that you have dined with Dr. Fauci and am so glad to hear you admire him.

Are you saying that those who are fully vaccinated can not transmit the virus to others if, they are infected? Has that been determined yet? I've heard Dr. Fauci say that there is evidence the viral load is low in fully vaccinated people but he has yet to announce that vaccinated people can not transmit the virus to others. Have I missed that directive?

NoMoSno 03-19-2021 03:05 PM

For as long as the vaccines have been in trials and available to the public seems they should know by now if a vaccinated person can transmit the virus.
The CDC says 3' not 6' distancing is fine now....

coffeebean 03-19-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 1918114)
For as long as the vaccines have been in trials and available to the public seems they should know by now if a vaccinated person can transmit the virus.
The CDC says 3' not 6' distancing is fine now....

Isn't the 3' distancing just for kids in the classroom? In fact, the adult teachers in the same classroom are recommended to keep a 6' distance from others.

Dayeight99 03-19-2021 06:54 PM

So I guess we should have seasonal flu vaccine passports every year since every flu is contagious and many people die each year from the flu.

shut the front door 03-19-2021 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1918110)
golfing eagles..... I'm impressed that you have dined with Dr. Fauci and am so glad to hear you admire him.

Are you saying that those who are fully vaccinated can not transmit the virus to others if, they are infected? Has that been determined yet? I've heard Dr. Fauci say that there is evidence the viral load is low in fully vaccinated people but he has yet to announce that vaccinated people can not transmit the virus to others. Have I missed that directive?

Sweetie, while it may be a goal in life to reply more times in a thread than anyone else, you are wasting your time trying to question a medical professional who has more medical knowledge in his pinky than. Well, we all know the rest.
Post away. Bless your heart.

coffeebean 03-19-2021 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayeight99 (Post 1918176)
So I guess we should have seasonal flu vaccine passports every year since every flu is contagious and many people die each year from the flu.

The seasonal flu has not caused a global pandemic but I suspect you already know that.

coffeebean 03-19-2021 08:28 PM

Governor DeSantis does not approve of vaccine passports. I'm surprised by this as I thought he is supposed to assure the safety of Floridians........

Florida won’t require COVID-19 ‘vaccine passports,’ governor says


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