shucks, monkei, i don't recall reading or watching testimony that stated either tm circles gz's car of the gz circled tm with his car! was not aware of either scenario!

Wow, even after what the juror said I am astounded that you could possibly believe the exact opposite.

If Martin hadn't given Zimmerrman the "beat down", Zimmerman would not have needed to use deadly force. I fail to see how you cannot see that.

Obviously you have completely ignored all of my earlier posts. Have a nice day.

Oh, I've read them. But you are half right. I probably should have ignored them. Have a nice day!

If I was Zimmerman, I would hope for a civil trial, then if convicted, file bankruptcy and move on from there. He shot and killed the man and there should be repercoustion, but not murder. They were both guilty of being too macho.

It is exactly what GZ told the NEN operator when he was sitting at the clubhouse. It is on tape in his own voice and words. He also told the operator at that time that he could not hear what TM was saying because he was afraid to roll down the window.

How is this !!

GZ follows TM because there have been breakins all around

TM comes out from the darkness and asks GZ Do you have a problem with me ? --and he waits for an answer, GZ says --- I am with neihborhood watch --do you live around here and TM says --my dad lives right there --

Do you think GZ would have pulled his gun and shot him ???

That's exactly how the scenario would of played out in about 95% of the neighborhoods in our country. However, if you listened to his friend Chantel for more than a couple of minutes, and this is the person he was deep into conversation with. It's pretty obvious that communications skills were not at the forefront for Trayvon and Chantel. For Trayvon, his thoughts were 'whose this creepy ass cracker following me.'

In the GZ video of he crime scene he stares that TM circled his car and he signaled in what direction. Maybe the video was not part of the trial but it was shown a million times on TV

Wow if he only knew how truthful his statement was.

Self defense. Did TM have that same right? A white guy with a gun following a black kid can only result in something bad happening. No one knows, and no one, besides GZ, if TM ever saw the gun, especially before he jumped him.

I would never trust someone who assaulted a police officer in his past to ever be of sound mind and never trustworthy. You have to be pretty darn stupid to jump a cop.

How odd and convenient.

here's a link to the transcript of the cooper/juror37 interview that should clarify what really was said rather than what anyone thinks the juror said:

CNN transcript details juror's insights on Zimmerman verdict - Page 7 - Sun Sentinel

thanx, dillywho! missed that part with the talking heads as well as in the televised trial. but i would not have rolled down my window either! - wouldn't even roll it down for a man in a uniform unless i was in a well=-it area with folks around! but then, i'm not male and am a long way from being 17 and brave! ;)

thanx! as i posted to dillywho, i missed that with the talking heads and televised trial. if it was not a part of the trial, it could not be used by either side or the jury in their deliberation - right?

Actually my son was involved in an almost identical altercation. Young and dumb in a bar and a buddy gets thrown down the stairs by the bouncers and the police are immediately on hit butt. My son sticks his nose in the business and asks the cops why they are arresting his friend and BOOM he is cuffed and thrown in the car too. Was reduced, just as GZ's charges were 'cause the police just plain overreacted and there was a small fine and dismissed.