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gomoho 07-05-2013 08:12 AM

If the gun had been drawn and he shot Trayvon while he was standing up I might look at this differently. But the only eyewitness said Zimmerman was on the bottom and we now know Trayvon was shot while he was on top of Zimmerman. Point being he only pulled the gun at that point he wasn't blindly chasing him around the complex with a gun drawn.

Monkei 07-05-2013 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 703069)
If the gun had been drawn and he shot Trayvon while he was standing up I might look at this differently. But the only eyewitness said Zimmerman was on the bottom and we now know Trayvon was shot while he was on top of Zimmerman. Point being he only pulled the gun at that point he wasn't blindly chasing him around the complex with a gun drawn.

But we then have medical professionals who said that zimmermans wounds were not significant. This trial has enough give and take both ways. But there is enough to warrant this trial and not for it to have been swept under the rug ...

John_W 07-05-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 703025)
We get it. Martin was black, he was urbam, he probably listened to rap music, he knew how to make gang signs with his fingers and he wore a hoodie at night. he had to be bad and he deserved to be followed and shot to death. i am assuming that is why you chose to post the pictures.

He didn't have to be bad, but those photos show he chose to be. Did he deserve to be followed, the leader of community watch thought so. Did he deserve to be shot? The moment he jumped another human being he put himself in that position.


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tucson 07-05-2013 08:37 AM

Re; the issue of TM screaming; why hasn't it been brought up that if it was TM screaming, then if that is true, why was he screaming? I don't remember hearing about any evidence of TM having evidence of being beaten up prior to him being shot.

gomoho 07-05-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 703074)
But we then have medical professionals who said that zimmermans wounds were not significant. This trial has enough give and take both ways. But there is enough to warrant this trial and not for it to have been swept under the rug ...

To that point - my husband shared an interesting sorry about when he was in the army. He got into a fight in the latrine - all concrete floors. The guy knocked him down and repeatedly slammed his head into the concrete. He said the pain was so excrutiating he thought he was going to black out. Head trauma does not always clearly show as well as a broken nose might.

gomoho 07-05-2013 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tucson (Post 703080)
Re; the issue of TM screaming; why hasn't it been brought up that if it was TM screaming, then if that is true, why was he screaming? I don't remember hearing about any evidence of TM having evidence of being beaten up prior to him being shot.

Tucson - good point. Normally people beating someone up aren't screaming for help while they are doing it. And why would he be screaming and not show any evidence of injury? And the only eyewitness clearly states George Zimmerman was on the bottom and someone was screaming for help.

tucson 07-05-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 703087)
Tucson - good point. Normally people beating someone up aren't screaming for help while they are doing it. And why would he be screaming and not show any evidence of injury? And the only eyewitness clearly states George Zimmerman was on the bottom and someone was screaming for help.

Gomoho, exactly, this has been bothering me from the beginning of this case! I hope the jury is also thinking along these lines. WHY hasn't the defense brought this issue to the forefront of their defense, or do you think they're waiting for the ME to take the stand?

Barefoot 07-05-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 703018)
Of course the police did such a sloppy investigation, they never tested Zimm's blood, so we'll never know if he did have excessive amounts of the amphetamine in his system.

Doesn't this make your statement about Zimmerman taking drugs pure speculation? Is it possible that if Zimm had exhibited signs of being under the influence of drugs, it would have prompted the police to test his blood?

ugotme 07-05-2013 11:31 AM

Simple - NO ONE here knows or will EVER know what really happened.

Opinions? we are all entitled to them.

I will not opine because I am not watching every minute of the trial.

Therefore. . . Let justice be done !

Monkei 07-05-2013 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 703085)
To that point - my husband shared an interesting sorry about when he was in the army. He got into a fight in the latrine - all concrete floors. The guy knocked him down and repeatedly slammed his head into the concrete. He said the pain was so excrutiating he thought he was going to black out. Head trauma does not always clearly show as well as a broken nose might.

Well did he shoot him to death?

gomoho 07-05-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkei (Post 703150)
Well did he shoot him to death?

I can't believe you even said that to me. This was a pre-arranged fight - no one was ambushed. My husband was only able to get away because a plunger was in reach that he started beating the guy in the head with. At that point they agreed to stop.

My point was you can sustain quite a head beating and there be no evidence; however, I don't think you are willing to see things as they might be, but rather as you wish them to be.

tucson 07-05-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 703085)
To that point - my husband shared an interesting sorry about when he was in the army. He got into a fight in the latrine - all concrete floors. The guy knocked him down and repeatedly slammed his head into the concrete. He said the pain was so excrutiating he thought he was going to black out. Head trauma does not always clearly show as well as a broken nose might.

My brother died from a fractured skull caused from a fall and there was no open wounds, cuts or blood on his head. So , it IS true as you stated re;head wounds.

mickey100 07-05-2013 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 703122)
Doesn't this make your statement about Zimmerman taking drugs pure speculation? Is it possible that if Zimm had exhibited signs of being under the influence of drugs, it would have prompted the police to test his blood?

In a murder investigation I would think they would investigate everything pertinent. If the paramedic report said that he was on an amphetamine, you would think the police would have tested his blood for drugs and alcohol, particularly since he killed someone.

gomoho 07-05-2013 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 703290)
In a murder investigation I would think they would investigate everything pertinent. If the paramedic report said that he was on an amphetamine, you would think the police would have tested his blood for drugs and alcohol, particularly since he killed someone.

Fair enough - and today the medical examiner said he changed his opinion and the amount of marijuana in Trayvon's blood could have affected his judgement - yet the judge would not allow that testimony.

Never hear anything about Zimmerman on amphetmaines - could you please provide a link.

buggyone 07-05-2013 04:18 PM

Well, the judge said the State showed enough evidence in their argument that the trial can proceed for 2nd degree murder. Zimmerman's high priced mouthpiece failed to convince the judge to toss the case.


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