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Monkei 07-10-2013 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 705798)
"common sense" and "maturity" are not included in the criteria used to grant a permit to carry. The jury will not be allowed to judge based on hypothetical situations.

If only we had a process to truly vett a person to determine whether the should be able to posses a permit ... Oh wait we can't do that.

gomoho 07-10-2013 08:19 AM

If Zimmerman is convicted there are so many grounds for appeal based on the judge's rulings. Part of Zimmerman's defense is that Trayvon was the aggressor, but the judge will no allow testimony showing his aggressive side.

Also seems like she is more interested in getting jury deliberation started than being sure the time is given to due process. Wonder if she is being pressured to get this over with?

tucson 07-10-2013 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 705845)
If Zimmerman is convicted there are so many grounds for appeal based on the judge's rulings. Part of Zimmerman's defense is that Trayvon was the aggressor, but the judge will no allow testimony showing his aggressive side.

Also seems like she is more interested in getting jury deliberation started than being sure the time is given to due process. Wonder if she is being pressured to get this over with?

Yes she is, based on what happened before this trial, activists created a rigorous campaign to push this into a racial case. To the point of going to the Governor and possibly the Fed's. That's my personal opinion based on what I've gleaned from reading about, and watching the trial.

Happinow 07-10-2013 09:23 AM

Unfair ruling
 
I would have thought the judge would have allowed the jury to hear the testimony regarding Trayvon's text messages and Facebook pages. After all, she allowed it to be know that GZ was training in the gym and MMA, fighting and other related activities. It's highly unlikely that someone would have gotten a hold of TM's cell and texted on it. Those texts were most likely sent by him and the FB postings were posted by him.These texts and posts are indicative of his character at times.....aggressive.

USSGompers 07-10-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 704169)
The army prosecutor who taught Zimmerman in a 2010 college class on criminal litigation, testified that he covered Florida's self-defense and "Stand Your Ground" laws in his 2010 course. Army Captain Alexis Carter said Zimmerman "was probably one of the better students in the class," calling him an "A" student. In other words, Zimmerman was well versed in Stand Your Ground and was lying when he said we was not familiar with SYG.

The "Castle Doctrine" was signed into law on October 1, 2005 by Gov. Jeb Bush.

It was later nicknamed the "Stand your Ground" law. That is not the law's official name and not used when taught in school.

mickey100 07-10-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 705795)
Wonder if you would think that way if it was you or a loved one on trial???

Wonder if you would think that way if it was your loved one that had been killed.

janmcn 07-10-2013 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 705806)
I think many decisions about this case by lay people with their minds made up were made long ago before the trial.

I am pretty sure we will have organized riots after too. And vandalism and blood shed, although all they do is cause more distress to all, solve nothing and build hatred.

I decided that a long time based on my beliefs and my common sense.

Jumping to conclusions is what we seniors do well, and some with more concern and common sense and fairness than others. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, than it isn't an elephant. Except now because of political correctness, we aren't allowed to call it a duck.

(Talking about riots)


Who will be conducting these "organized riots" if George Zimmerman is convicted? Will it be Hispanics? Or maybe fat people? Or bus loads of Village residents who support Zimmerman? Or maybe Twinkie makers?

The only people I hear inciting riots are posters on this forum. Did you attend any of the peaceful demonstations that led to Zimmerman's arrest?

ilovetv 07-10-2013 10:54 AM

The photo and story contained in this link make it quite clear who is "inciting" people:

Broward County Sheriff's Office Prepares Zimmerman Verdict Riot Plan

Patty55 07-10-2013 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 705913)
The photo and story contained in this link make it quite clear who is "inciting" people:

Broward County Sheriff's Office Prepares Zimmerman Verdict Riot Plan

Yep, that's what he does.

Anyone else remember Crown Hts, Tawana Brawley and Howard Beach?

gomoho 07-10-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mickey100 (Post 705895)
Wonder if you would think that way if it was your loved one that had been killed.

I'm not sure what you are specifically referring to - if my loved one was the victim I would want the judge to follow everything to the letter of the law so a good, fair trial would be held, all the information provided so there is no room for appeal if a conviction comes in. I wouldn't want the defendant sent to jail to prevent the worst from happening in the community. That is certainly not how our justice system works.

gomoho 07-10-2013 11:03 AM

Looks like another home run for the defense with this expert witness. He is almost making the closing statement for the defense.

tucson 07-10-2013 11:15 AM

This case IS definately politically motivated! From The Washington,DC to Tallahassee,to Sanford...

dillywho 07-10-2013 12:31 PM

Many people have said that following Martin was not illegal for GZ to do. I think that goes to how he was following...perhaps menacingly? There was a man yesterday that was afraid on the highway because someone started following him and called 911. He was on the phone with them when the guy caught up to him and attacked. Did that guy break the law by following in such a manner as to instill fear in this man?

My biggest concern with GZ getting out of his car and "following" someone who he had already expressed fear of, is why? He had never followed any of the others on foot when he called about their suspicious behavior to the NEN. If he truly thought he was about to see a crime be committed, why didn't he call 911. That is an emergency and warrants a quicker response than simply dialing the NEN.

I don't care if GZ was not as fit as TM, he seemingly never made any effort to defend himself. There were 4 ladies approached by a carjacker at a Publix yesterday and they all fought back. One was even 80 years old! GZ was 28 at the time. Of course, this is something the jury will never know about until after the trial.

Sorry, but I just think that had GZ done what he was supposed to do and then gone on to his shopping errand, this would not even be a discussion and would never have become a political agenda for anyone. I just think GZ is not the sharpest knife in the block and wants so badly to be somebody. I don't think his childhood was any picnic, either. Maybe that's part of it.

I just sincerely hope that the jury does not have to live in fear for whatever decision they render. Too many people don't realize just what it is to serve on a jury and not have every analysis, public opinion, newscast, etc. at their disposal to consider. Their considerations are very limited and they cannot convict or acquit on personal feelings or courtroom emotions. Jurors have the hardest job of all and should have the highest respect from everyone.

mickey100 07-10-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 705918)
I'm not sure what you are specifically referring to - if my loved one was the victim I would want the judge to follow everything to the letter of the law so a good, fair trial would be held, all the information provided so there is no room for appeal if a conviction comes in. I wouldn't want the defendant sent to jail to prevent the worst from happening in the community. That is certainly not how our justice system works.

All of us want the law to be followed, and any criminal to be sent to jail. We all want the justice system to function correctly. That is not the question. Your posts have been pretty much pro-defense. The point is, if your husband had gone to the store to buy you skittles, was chased by a black person, ended up confronting that aggressor, and was then shot to death, you might look at things a little differently. Just saying.

Bucco 07-10-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 705806)
I think many decisions about this case by lay people with their minds made up were made long ago before the trial.

I am pretty sure we will have organized riots after too. And vandalism and blood shed, although all they do is cause more distress to all, solve nothing and build hatred.

I decided that a long time based on my beliefs and my common sense.

Jumping to conclusions is what we seniors do well, and some with more concern and common sense and fairness than others. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, than it isn't an elephant. Except now because of political correctness, we aren't allowed to call it a duck.

(Talking about riots)


You are spot on with this post, and despite the sarcastic mean spirited response you get, you nailed it and it makes some uncomfortable. You do not deserve that kind of sarcasm and venom in reply to your opinion.

This has been decided by folks IN ADVANCE, because it was a political SHOW from the beginning.

If you read the law and what the police were required to do in cases like this, and what they were trying to do......THEN, the politicians took over from them. If you read the daily history of the case the police were trying to do their job then got ambushed. Just imagine the meetings that have now been made public that were held in the Mayors office with the family of Martin and his lawyer, with no police presence nor any charges yet filed and an invstigation still in progress !!!!

Once the national media made it left versus right, it was all over for JUSTICE There would be none.

The sarcasm you received in your response showed the naive and either lack of knowledge or refusal to accept the knowledge of the key players in this game. Mr Sharpton has made a living with cases such as this.....and he has already implied, threatened or whatever words you want to use about this consequences of a verdict that he does not like. He plays on racial divide, and will always do so.

Do not allow that kind of response to deter you...you are correct as to what this case is about, and the reason you feel the sides were chosen BEFORE facts, is because you are correct......it has become a political football and all the talk of justice and facts is a waste of time.

Now I have to stop as I was warned about saying this so often.....instead of really looking at what we have been manipulated into this case, we stick our heads in the sand as if we were not involved in a political discussion.

Had the politicians stayed out of this and allowed the police to do what they are paid to do, we might have had a logical and sane conclusion. That opportunity is past.


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