Discipline!!! as in ass whippings not time outs or no i-pad for an hour and other such bull****,, Teach not indoctrinate, Personal responsibility not the blame game, Rewards for excellence not mediocrity! The only way these functioning retards have of excelling is their fifteen minutes.. Some have access to a sailboat and a lesbian partner others have guns...

What "common sense" gun laws would you suggest we pass?

How do you propose to eliminate guns?

If we overturned or replaced the second amendment and banned all guns in this country, do you honestly believe that no one would have access to guns? Do you think that there's a chance that people who want to do other people harm might be able to get guns illegally? Is there a possibility that a black market for guns might develop for people who want to hurt other people?

Unless you are talking about somehow eliminating ALL guns from the entire world I don't see how preventing good, responsible, law-abiding people from owning guns is going to prevent gun violence.

That may be true in this country, but most of the examples that you give here were before radical Islam declared war on the United States and the western world.

More people were killed by radical Muslims flying planes into buildings in a few minutes than were killed by white men with guns over the past 20 years.

It's easy to form an argument, like Mother Jones does here, by restricting the method used to kill people, but they people are murdered is irrelevant. There are plenty of tools that people can use to kill others.

Mother Jones and other liberal extremist organizations hate white people so they set up studies to prove their points. They are easily seen through.

As much as you want to point to white men killing people, the fact is that we are currently in a war against radical Islam that is killing people all around the world. And they are killing more people than all of the white gunmen committing mass murder over the past twenty years. But I guess that OK with some people because they are using planes, bombs and motor vehicles and they are not white.

Three common-sense gun policies that would save lives - The Washington Post

Try Googling "Common sense gun laws"!

Don't you hen-pecking, under-screwed, coffee-klatch Femo-Fascists have anything better to do than make other people miserable with your un-American Type 2 Laws?

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What's unfortunate and somewhat surprising for rural Texas is that none of the churchgoers were armed. if a few of them had a firearm on them, the loss of lives would have been minimized. In fact, if the shooter had known that the church was full of armed people, he might not even have attempted the shooting.

Churches are extremely soft targets and the only way to change that is to allow concealed carry during services.

By the way, the shooter had been denied a carry permit and because he was dishonorably discharged from the service he was banned from not only owning a gun but also from having access to a gun. He was not allowed to live in a home in which there was a gun that he could access. So please explain again how another law would have prevented this.

Was that in the news? In these kind of situations I would expect many people would freeze up even if armed and not doing anything but maybe try to run. Especially in a rural Texas church.

It is about taking measures to stop the next would be mass murderer. We should be trying everything to fix this problem. Not just yelling at one another.

That's it? You post a link to a Washington Post article? You have none of your own ideas?

Some of the ideas in this article would be immediately judged unconstitutional. So maybe you should start working on changing the constitution. Other ideas such as "smart guns" endanger the lives of the gun owner. A PTP for handguns, which I believe would be deemed unconstitutional would not do anything about mass shootings which are mostly committed with rifles.

All of this is utter nonsense designed to convince voters that your representatives are actually interested in doing something about the problem. I don't depend on the government to protect me and my family.

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Absolutely! --- not that it will make any difference to these zero-objectivity kitchen-table Femo-Fascists, but yes -- thank you for taking the time to post.

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Anyplace that has a lot of minorities...hispanics and blacks...has the MOST violent crimes. Whites...including this guy...do 10%...blacks and Hispanics do 90%.

They SHOULD portray him as someone who snapped...and find out WHY.

Bullsh!t...a "mass shooting" is:

"A mass shooting is an incident involving multiple victims of firearms-related violence. ... Another unofficial definition of a mass shooting is an event involving the shooting (not necessarily resulting in death) of four or more people with no cooling-off period."

This happens EVERY DAY in the inner city slums between minority gangs. You just don't hear about it. The nightly news is already full of crime stories about blacks/hispanics...if they reported on ALL the crimes...it would fill the whole night...the news would have to go into a 4 hour overtime.

Whites commit 10% of the murders. Even with this...it's STILL only 10%. How many murdered in Chicago alone this year? 557? 500 of those committed by minorities.

Who said that? I NEVER said blacks SHOULD be slaves. I said they'd end up that way IF we were honest about them. Like we "enslave" other species to do our work. We "enslave" horses that we ride. We "enslave our dogs and cats as "pets"...keeping them locked up, feeding them when WE feel they need it.

What's the difference? Blacks are a different species too...they're not "us"...a trip to MLK Blvd where the 99% live proves it...a trip to a black HS proves it.

The BLACKS cannot be changed...90% of violence IS committed by minorities. Whites including this AND Las Vegas is still only 10%.

We are living in a country that is 150 million minorities. THAT is why we have the problems we're having with violence. The villages is a CITY of over 150,000 people. It's about as nice a place as you could live...why? WHAT makes the villages UNLIKE EVERY other city its size? NO MINORITIES. The villages is WHITE. When America was WHITE is was great too. If/when the villages becomes less white it too will change...it will become another diversified sh!thole full of minorities.

We ARE overpopulated...overpopulated with worthless minorities...HALF the population is minority now...HALF the population receives a government benefit. It's not coincidence. Minorities collect 90% of the welfare. Go into a welfare office and SEE who is sitting there...Hispanics, blacks, and a few whites with black kids.

You're NOT going to change black culture...the violent culture.

The change to America's culture is due to a demographic change. America WAS 90% white, we're now 49% white and we're heading for 20% white. What do you expect? We're filling with 3rd worlders and we're becoming 3rd world.

EXACTLY!!! We shouldn't change everything because a few white guys went nuts. It's still only 10% of the total killings...90% committed by minorities.

Taking them ALL away. It's women...they're afraid of everything...mostly men. They don't trust us. They want us neutralized. Feminized. Domesticated.

Most blacks ALREADY get theirs from the black market...not legally.

Compared to minorities...whites are very non-violent. Look at the villages...150,000 white people living together in peace and tranquility. Go you REALLY think "our problems" (parking, cart driving, a few squabbles over chairs or dancing) compare with the INNER CITY PROBLEMS??? People DIE all day, every day in the black/hispanic inner cities. 557 in just Chicago so far this year.

Eliminate 90% of gun crime by taking them away from the blacks/hispanics. There...I told you how to REALLY fix it. 557 in Chicago alone so far this year. 278 in Baltimore.

"St. Louis, Baltimore, and Detroit recorded the highest per capita homicide rates of major American cities last year. Six months into 2017, it looks likely that they will maintain the dubious distinction. Baltimore is on track to have the highest number of homicides per capita in the city’s history. St. Louis faces its highest rates since the crack wars of the 1990s. "

90% committed by blacks and hispanics...what are you going to do about it?

"Objectivity" from bog99? That is rich.

These Laws Are The Reason Canada, Australia, Japan And The UK Have Such Low Gun Homicide Rates - Business Insider


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Any notion that suggests confiscation of all guns/no exception has a 100% chance of failure. Not even getting off the ground.

First just how might what ever agency go about getting all those guns/no exception? They wouldn't get mine (or millions like me) because they don't know what or if I have any. And like me the millions of others like me most certainly would not volunteer our guns.

And even under the assumption they were all collected, does anybody think the violence of man vs man will all of a sudden cease?
OF COURSE NOT!!

Enough on the lark of collecting all guns.

One other common denominator in just about every shooting situation? The cowardly, fully armed, military clothed, armor protected worm chooses to go into no gun zones. My suggestion for the responders to these attacks is they be in a shoot to kill assignment.

Lastly I would have more respect for many offered solutions to the gun situation if they were genuine and real instead of political/partisan parroting!

Sigh!

Good link. Thanks wiotte.

Fix WHAT problem? Gun violence OR a white guy going crazy? Gun violence is a minority problem...90% of shootings/killing are done by/to them. 557 in Chicago so far this year. That's just ONE city. Cut "gun violence" by 90% by taking them away from them. And it's easy...set up metal detectors at the project entries...you know...like they do at the blacks high schools.

To fix white guys going nuts...stop f@cking with them. Stop making "manly" into something bad. Stop discriminating against nobody but them. Stop taking EVERYTHING from them through divorce. There's a few things that make some men angry.

There you go...thinking ONLY about "your world" and forgetting the inner city slums where 90% of the gun killings occur.

Ah...but women do. They'll do anything for perceived safety. Women like LOTS of rules...they THINK it keeps them safe. They THINK the police are there to protect them...ONLY at an event where they have a presence.

Women would eliminate us crude and violent men if they could.

Blacks will be blacks...hispanics will be hispanic...they'll keep killing each other...they'll STILL be responsible for 90% of the violence.

The resident racist is doing his thing as it the femo guy.

The style of weapon used by these domestic terrorists is not used for hunting anything other than humans. Hunters don't typically need a ballistic vest and then there are the high capacity clips for these and other weapons.

Texas has some of the laxest gun laws in the US and they are an open carry state. The NRA has repeatedly said:

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."

It may be time to look at the hardware these guys are packing if nothing else limit the body count!"

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"FROM COLORADO SPRINGS THAT HAD TWO DOMESTIC TERRORIST ATTACKS WITHIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS"

Yes...being right again. Compared to minorities...whites commit 10% the crime.

Blacks should be called domestic terrorists the way they commit 90% of the crimes and violence. GO TO MLK Blvd and SEE...GO TO a black school and SEE...I'm not lying to you...go look. They are NOT us. They don't act like us. Even the very few rich ones are "different"...because they ARE different...a different species. In what way are we the same? Name something that is the same in blacks and whites but NOT found in any other species. They can read (barely) and they can write (barely)...past that I don't see much else they've got. Negros have NEVER had a Homer, Shakespeare, or ANY truly GREAT writers. Everything they write is how unfairly they're treated...well DUH...you're a different species. We treat horses differently too.

WHY don't they call minority gang activity domestic terrorism? That's what it is. They OWN entire swaths of cities and towns. That's not terrorism? Oh...it's RACIST to say that. Brown/black people can't be blamed for anything. Everything is white peoples fault...white men's fault.

Those Texans were being polite and left their guns in the truck...they won't do that again. With more of these "terrorism" events happening...more and more WILL be carrying. The violence will continue to be in gun free zones...keeping those who carry safe. Didn't a guy shoot up a cafe in TX a while back? You're going to see people begin carrying indoors.

I'm seeing a lot of posts where you state that blacks commit 90% of the crime. Can you tell me where you are getting that information from? The only data I could find is a 2012 FBI report that shows us white folk commit more crime. FBI — Table 43

I understand blacks make up just 13% of the population so their per capita rate might be higher. But I still can't see where you get the 90% figure.

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Are you aware that this guy was banned from owning or having access to a gun? He was dishonorably discharged from the military and had mental health issues. Yet, he was able to get a gun. These people don't obey the laws. What makes you think that anyone wanting to do harm to a lot of people wouldn't be able to get his hands on a lot of guns or a lot of magazines or a lot of ammunition?

The only thing that would have limited the body count, in this case, is that if someone in the church could have returned fire. These cowards almost always pick gun free zones. Churches, in particular, are very soft targets and target rich environments. There are however some churches that are allowing the people to carry inside the church during services. Hopefully, more will begin doing this.

The attitudes of the day i.e. permissiveness, the dreaded political correctness to name the top two.

Not wanting to offend anybody hence no politician or special interest group would suggest black listing gun ownership or anything else for that matter. Might offend someone and lose a few votes.

Why is it not an automatic NO for the dis-honerable discharged?
Why is it not an automatic NO for the known mentally ill/disturbed?

The majority of us would have no problem supporting the implementation of such guidelines.

Would it have stopped any of the mass shootings?
Maybe. But we won't know until we take a stand against those with such known conditions.

The ACLU and other special interest groups be damned and put to the back of the priorities......like they used to be once upon a time!!

Someone did return fire. He had three bullets in him. Only the one to the head was self inflicted.

Without armed citizens, who knows how many more would be dead.

Maybe another church too.

I'm not yelling at anyone. I'm simply putting forth my opinion on the matter. I respect your opinion even though I disagree with it and I'd hope that you'd do the same with me.

Would some people freeze up and not do anything? Maybe. But someone might return fire and either take the shooter down or cause him to run. Sometimes just the fact that a lot of people in the room are armed would be enough to stop someone like this for perpetrating this act. With no one able to return fire, the perpetrator can stand there and continue firing knowing that there is zero chance of anyone firing back. If the worshipers were armed there is a good chanced that lives would have been saved. There is no guarantee of course but if some of the worshippers had guns, there would have been a chance. With a church full of unarmed people there was no chance.

As far as them running, most churches have their entrances at the back while the attendees face the front. This guy probably shot several people before anyone realized what was going on. People would want to run toward the door, but that where the shots were coming from.

Most mass murders take place in gun free zones. Bad people don't follow the law. If I go into a gun free zone, I leave my gun in my car. The guy that wants to kill a lot of people at the airport doesn't leave his gun in the car.

Laws don't prevent crimes. Laws define crimes and provide punishment for violating them.

There is an automatic no for the dishonorably discharged and those with certain mental health issues. This guy had illegal guns.

People who want to commit a crime don't obey the law.

You're right...minorities commit 90% of the crimes. I misspoke in that sentence...the other posts say 90% is committed by blacks/hispanics...minorities. I try to be careful and stay consistent.

You'll notice that the table you linked to has NOTHING for Hispanic. They are counted as white but they're not...and they're violent too...much more than REAL white people. I stand by 90% of crimes...most violent crimes anyway...are committed by minorities.

"White Black American Indian or Alaskan Native Asian or Pacific Islander"

Where is Hispanic? The majority of children being born are Hispanic. They're the majority below age 7. A Hispanic child is born in America every minute and a half.


Compare crimes in the villages to any other "diverse" city of 150,000. It won't come close. Compare ANY 99% white place to a diverse place and you'll see the same...MUCH more crime in the "diverse" place.

Many if not most inner city crimes aren't reported.

Regardless of whether Hispanics are listed or not. There's still no data that I can find that suggests that minorities account for 90% of even one crime category. That chart lists Whites account for 69.3% of all crime. That only leaves 30.7% for ALL other races.

Your conclusions aren't all wrong.. Blacks do commit more than their fair share of murders. According to the FBI chart they commit almost half of all murders. That's a lot for being only 13% of the total population.

But until you can site some real numbers, your 90% claim holds no water.

Edited to add.. I was able to find some incarceration statistics that do break out Hispanic from White. That data shows 39% White, 19% Hispanic and 40% Black.

Hispanics are lumped in with whites. THEIR CRIMES are counted as OUR CRIMES.

THERE IS NO DATA ON HISPANIC CRIME RATES.

Look at it AGAIN...they commit MORE than half of all murders and they're only 13% of the population and that's what we were talking about...blacks killing with guns.

incarceration rates mean nothing. Can't have the prisons 90% minority...that's racist.

Many inner city crimes are never reported...I'd guess the REAL crime rate is double and probably triple what is reported.

Point taken but laws would stop some people from getting their hands on guns. Keeping an eye on your neighbors and friends for odd behavior and dozens of other practical things could also been done like education against bullying and more on empathy.

Mental health agencies need a lot of work as they are a mess it seems only having a emphasis on prescribing pills rather than addressing underlying conditions. There is too much of a need for a quick fix when these do not work.

Stop who? Chicago has pretty much outlawed guns yet the inner cities are full of them.

Is THAT what you want? Nazi Germany? Communist Russia? Everyone watching and snitching on everyone else?

They're too busy naming EVERY "condition" known to man...except homosexuality and gender disorders. NOBODY thinks a flaming queer...a man who shows his love by sticking his pen!s in his "lovers" ass...is normal...except the psychiatric institutions.

When I did my post that information was not out yet. And now we know the Air Force never entered the shooter in the crime database.

You sing the mantra of the NRA "The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun."

Gun Free Zones....LOL! The NRA would love it if we all started packing! Both Texas and Colorado are OPEN CARRY states handguns to assault-type rifles you can openly pack!

Don't we, the non-packing public, have an expectation not to be shot because some guys ________ (fill in the blank) so he decided to grab an assault weapon, some high capacity clips, and a kevlar vest to shoot up some innocent people.

You are correct about the ability of anyone to buy assault-style weapons, high capacity clips, mountains of bullets and kevlar vests! The gun show loop-hole is alive and well.

We have this same discussion after everyone these domestic terror attacks! It is time for some action.

Why is that white males like to go out in a blaze of bullets?

White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim foreigners - Vox

The time for thoughts and prayers has passed, its time for some action!

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BTW.. The guy that shot this scumbag was a former NRA instructor. How's that for irony?

Now that's ironic! Another poster claimed, incorrectly, that the church was a GUN FREE ZONE....had there been a good guy with gun things would have been better.

There was a guy packing in the church so it wasn't a gun free zone. But his 6 shooter was no match for a AR 15.

This blows the NRA mantra.....

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Because we stumbled into a minority gangland in any major city? WHICH is MORE dangerous...a church in any random "white" area...or MLK Blvd in ANY major city? 557 killed in Chicago so far this year...90% committed by minorities. You FEAR this shooting because it's come to YOUR neighborhoods now.

Supposedly 51 mass killings by whites in 40 years...while in the inner city slums...there's "mass killings" going on every weekend.

Maybe these white men feel like they've been screwed? Maybe his life was DESTROYED by a lying wife with trumped up charges? Maybe she should have been there and SHE was the target?

White men ARE being royally screwed in this country. We're being ACTIVELY discriminated against in schools and jobs via quotas taking OUR slot away. We're having our lives DESTROYED in unjust divorce orders. Anything "manly" is considered bad because it's not "kindness and sharing". We're shown as fools in the media.

Maybe he'd just had enough. Do you think the media will tell us that the Las Vegas shooter was f@cked over financially and THAT is why he snapped? Or this church guy...maybe that IS where his ex went to church.

Why would they RANDOMLY do these things? I don't think these shootings were random at all...we're just NOT being told ALL the facts. I think most are revenge motivated and something links these places to the shooter.

You can only do so much to a man before he strikes out. And as you can see...there's nothing more dangerous than a ****ed off white guy.

Why is the discussion regarding guns/gun control such a prominent or even pertinent discussion.....every time their is a shooting. Kinda like new years, get the horns off the shelf and toot....put em away till the next time!!!

Those who trigger (yes pun intended) the post shooting frenzy are in the smallest percent minority in the gun owner population.

The other 98% (my number) or more that own guns, do so responsibly and without incident.

Many are very active in some aspect of shooting sports and have many guns and thousands and thousands of ammunitions of various types.

Out of the millions and millions of people who partake in some from of gun ownership or sport or just plain old self security how often is there a mishap? Accident? Wounding?

The above should be viewed as academic questions as there is such an over whelming knowledge that none is the answer.

Yet when an isolated wacko goes tilt the subject of gun ownership and control is always painted as the big bad boogey man.

All we can hope for is the anti gunners first and foremost understand their subject. Most do not.

Then identify the real problem/issue....not the partisan/media/special interest/minority report BS of the day.

It is demonstrated daily by many millions DAILY that the problem is not guns or gun ownership.

It is demonstrated daily by many millions DAILY that the problem is not guns or gun ownership!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guns were developed for one reason and one reason only. To kill or maim another human being. Let’s call it a “sport” to make it palatable so as to justify civilian ownership. At times I think we would have been better off remaining a British colony. The radicals who deceived the colonists to rebel are very much like the alt right is today.


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