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Guest 11-06-2015 11:41 AM
Factcheck.org Jan 9, 2015

"The federal debt has already grown more during Obama’s first six years than under all previous U.S. presidents combined, at least in nominal dollars with no adjustment for inflation. The debt owed to the public stands at about $13 trillion, an increase of 106 percent since Obama first took office."

Guest 11-06-2015 03:56 PM
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Don't worry, there won't be any confusion. Hannity doesn't have a conversation with himself, like the one and lonely liberal on here.

Obama's Economic Stimulus Package $787 billion
Bush's deficits ran mostly in the billions per year.
Obama's deficits almost always ran into the trillions.

Bush's Deficit:

FY 2009 - $1.632 trillion. (Democrat congress)
FY 2008 - $1.017 trillion. (Democrat congress)
FY 2007 - $501 billion.
FY 2006 - $574 billion.
FY 2005 - $554 billion.
FY 2004 - $596 billion.
FY 2003 - $555 billion.
FY 2002 - $421 billion.

Obama's Deficit:

FY 2014 - $1.086 trillion.
FY 2013 - $672 billion.
FY 2012 - $1.276 trillion.
FY 2011 - $1.229 trillion.
FY 2010 - $1.652 trillion.
FY 2009 - $253 billion. (Congress passed the Economic Stimulus Act, which spent $253 billion in FY 2009. This rare occurrence should be added to President Obama's contribution to the debt.)
Thank you Sean Hannity for reporting the actual truth about the debt increase. There is one liberal here, and me, a moderate independent. You shouldn't confuse us.

Did you add the numbers. The debt increase under "W" adds to $5,850 trillion. The debt increase under Obama adds to $6,168. How does that double the debt under Obama. The number that I threw out there for Bush was $6,102 trillion. The difference is the 253 billion that Hannity added to Obama 5,850 + 253 = 6,103. I don't have a problem with that.

Hannity did not add the entire increase 1,884 trillion of the national debt for the fiscal year ending in 9/30/09 to Obama. Do you have a problem with that? If you don't, you have to drop the doubling of the debt under Obama.

Guest 11-06-2015 04:13 PM
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In an earlier post, I ceded you the $769 (now it's $799) billion that you claim was added in the 27-day period. That still leaves $9.201 trillion of debt added to the national debt by the Obama administration.

The $799 billion of debt that you insist upon having explained (which I have already ceded) is of minor consequence when you consider the larger debit picture.
You shouldn't have ceded the $769 billion increase in the first 27 days of Obama's presidency. I actually screwed up. The 769 billion is actually 789 billion. However, that is the amount the debt ceiling was increased, and not the actual amount spent during the first 27 days. My mistake. I didn't do it on purpose to support my argument that Obama hasn't doubled the debt.

Debt Ceiling - Under Modern U.S. Presidents

However, take a look at my post using Hannity's numbers above. I wasn't playing with numbers. The screw up with increase in the debt ceiling made it impossible to answer my question about the 27 days. At least, when I am wrong I admit that I am wrong.

Guest 11-06-2015 04:17 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1141539)
Thank you Sean Hannity for reporting the actual truth about the debt increase. There is one liberal here, and me, a moderate independent. You shouldn't confuse us.

Did you add the numbers. The debt increase under "W" adds to $5,850 trillion. The debt increase under Obama adds to $6,168. How does that double the debt under Obama. The number that I threw out there for Bush was $6,102 trillion. The difference is the 253 billion that Hannity added to Obama 5,850 + 253 = 6,103. I don't have a problem with that.

Hannity did not add the entire increase 1,884 trillion of the national debt for the fiscal year ending in 9/30/09 to Obama. Do you have a problem with that? If you don't, you have to drop the doubling of the debt under Obama.
I don't know what Hannity has to do with this. I don't watch Hannity, but your endorsement (and fear of him) will probably cause me to check it out.

You can read the information that I provided and decide for yourself. I quoted the information. Obama did double the public debt, as I showed you. The national debt will double by the time he leaves office. I applaud your loyalty to a loser and failure, but really?

Guest 11-06-2015 04:21 PM
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I don't know what Hannity has to do with this. I don't watch Hannity, but your endorsement (and fear of him) will probably cause me to check it out.

You can read the information that I provided and decide for yourself. I quoted the information. Obama did double the public debt, as I showed you. The national debt will double by the time he leaves office. I applaud your loyalty to a loser and failure, but really?
You are being ever so kind to the likes of this "loyal" (remaining polite) person.

Guest 11-06-2015 04:21 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1141539)
Thank you Sean Hannity for reporting the actual truth about the debt increase. There is one liberal here, and me, a moderate independent. You shouldn't confuse us.

Did you add the numbers. The debt increase under "W" adds to $5,850 trillion. The debt increase under Obama adds to $6,168. How does that double the debt under Obama. The number that I threw out there for Bush was $6,102 trillion. The difference is the 253 billion that Hannity added to Obama 5,850 + 253 = 6,103. I don't have a problem with that.

Hannity did not add the entire increase 1,884 trillion of the national debt for the fiscal year ending in 9/30/09 to Obama. Do you have a problem with that? If you don't, you have to drop the doubling of the debt under Obama.
Liberal or Independent, both the same. A vote for Obama was a vote toward socialism, so an Independent is just a voter that won't admit what party he really is. My brother is registered as an Independent, but only votes Republican. He is a Republican that just doesn't want the label. A liberal Independent is the same as a liberal Democrat.

Guest 11-06-2015 06:48 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1141562)
I don't know what Hannity has to do with this. I don't watch Hannity, but your endorsement (and fear of him) will probably cause me to check it out.

You can read the information that I provided and decide for yourself. I quoted the information. Obama did double the public debt, as I showed you. The national debt will double by the time he leaves office. I applaud your loyalty to a loser and failure, but really?
If you are the one that referenced the link fact check, I clicked on it, and it doesn't come up. Can you post it again?

The only reason that I endorsed Hannity is he is so far right that he doesn't give Obama credit for anything. He used the same numbers that I did, and they came from the Treasury. Using the Treasury numbers, there is no way that Obama will double the national debt.

Guest 11-06-2015 06:56 PM
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Liberal or Independent, both the same. A vote for Obama was a vote toward socialism, so an Independent is just a voter that won't admit what party he really is. My brother is registered as an Independent, but only votes Republican. He is a Republican that just doesn't want the label. A liberal Independent is the same as a liberal Democrat.
What you are saying is the Republicans have moved so far to the right that moderates no longer exist. Everyone that doesn't agree with you is a liberal. It doesn't work that way. The Republicans that have moved so far right have left the grid. People that have left the grid opinions aren't worth a damn.

Guest 11-06-2015 07:07 PM
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What you are saying is the Republicans have moved so far to the right that moderates no longer exist. Everyone that doesn't agree with you is a liberal. It doesn't work that way. The Republicans that have moved so far right have left the grid. People that have left the grid opinions aren't worth a damn.
Naw, you just assume that Republicans moved to the right, when in reality (something that eludes liberals) the Democrats have moved from left to socialists. The REpublicans have moved to the center, which is too liberal for me, but what choice do I have in my vote? I ain't gonna vote for no commie posing as a Democrat.

You see the difference is Patriotism versus Avarice. Some of us are patriotic, served our country fighting socialism and communism and care about the future of America. And then there are the Others, the liberals/socialists that care only for what the country can do for them, give to them. No responsibility, no care for America and even demonize America.

Sorry, but I have no respect for the latter. And I do not apologize for it. Yep, I'm a Christian, but I was told to love the sinner, hate the sin. And as far as I am concerned, anyone that attempts to hurt my country is the enemy....anybody.

Guest 11-06-2015 07:17 PM
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Naw, you just assume that Republicans moved to the right, when in reality (something that eludes liberals) the Democrats have moved from left to socialists. The REpublicans have moved to the center, which is too liberal for me, but what choice do I have in my vote? I ain't gonna vote for no commie posing as a Democrat.

You see the difference is Patriotism versus Avarice. Some of us are patriotic, served our country fighting socialism and communism and care about the future of America. And then there are the Others, the liberals/socialists that care only for what the country can do for them, give to them. No responsibility, no care for America and even demonize America.

Sorry, but I have no respect for the latter. And I do not apologize for it. Yep, I'm a Christian, but I was told to love the sinner, hate the sin. And as far as I am concerned, anyone that attempts to hurt my country is the enemy....anybody.
:BigApplause: Very straight forward and to the point.!!! :BigApplause:

Guest 11-06-2015 07:30 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1141637)
If you are the one that referenced the link fact check, I clicked on it, and it doesn't come up. Can you post it again?

The only reason that I endorsed Hannity is he is so far right that he doesn't give Obama credit for anything. He used the same numbers that I did, and they came from the Treasury. Using the Treasury numbers, there is no way that Obama will double the national debt.
Never say never. If Obama hears you say it can't be done, then he will attempt it. And to paraphrase his mentor the great reverend, America be damned.

Guest 11-06-2015 08:18 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1141647)
Naw, you just assume that Republicans moved to the right, when in reality (something that eludes liberals) the Democrats have moved from left to socialists. The REpublicans have moved to the center, which is too liberal for me, but what choice do I have in my vote? I ain't gonna vote for no commie posing as a Democrat.

You see the difference is Patriotism versus Avarice. Some of us are patriotic, served our country fighting socialism and communism and care about the future of America. And then there are the Others, the liberals/socialists that care only for what the country can do for them, give to them. No responsibility, no care for America and even demonize America.

Sorry, but I have no respect for the latter. And I do not apologize for it. Yep, I'm a Christian, but I was told to love the sinner, hate the sin. And as far as I am concerned, anyone that attempts to hurt my country is the enemy....anybody.
The Republicans haven't moved to the right. With your logic, there has never been a moderate Republican. When the Republicans move to the center, they are liberals. You are so far right that it is literally impossible to go any further right. What you are avocating hurts this country. By your definition, you are enemy of yourself.

Given your attitude, you don't care about America. The only way that the US is going to advance is, if both parties work together. If someone doesn't agree with you, they are the enemy. You are also the enemy of common sense.

The only thing that I have received from the federal government is social security, and Medicare once I turned 65. I take that back. I received the great social benefit of every liberal American, which is paying taxes for 40+ years. That is a benefit that I could not do without.

Guest 11-06-2015 08:41 PM
This is not a football game where you root for one team and I root for another team. We're on the same team here. Why not simply be honest? You know Obama inherited a disaster. A disaster that happened under Bush (a republican). You also know it was Bush who signed off on the stimulus bill that created most of the debt you are talking about. What benefit is there for you to lie?

Guest 11-07-2015 06:11 AM
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This is not a football game where you root for one team and I root for another team. We're on the same team here. Why not simply be honest? You know Obama inherited a disaster. A disaster that happened under Bush (a republican). You also know it was Bush who signed off on the stimulus bill that created most of the debt you are talking about. What benefit is there for you to lie?
Having a conversation with yourself again?

You must be very lonely.

Guest 11-07-2015 06:19 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1141698)
This is not a football game where you root for one team and I root for another team. We're on the same team here. Why not simply be honest? You know Obama inherited a disaster. A disaster that happened under Bush (a republican). You also know it was Bush who signed off on the stimulus bill that created most of the debt you are talking about. What benefit is there for you to lie?
Obama did not "inherit" anything. He knew exactly what the Dems did to this country with their two years of congressional control during the end of the Bush administration. Don't come on here trying to convince anyone that Obama is to be pitied. There are better posters on here than myself that can educate you AGAIN as to the cause of any problems that Obama took on (and failed) when he won the election. Obama failed, plain and simple. No other president that had a recession or depression ever took as long to fix the economy. You socialists really need to grow some and admit that Obama is incompetent and was never ready for the job. You picked the wrong "one" to lead the country. Instead of bringing the country together when it needed it, Obama has been divisive and lowered it's world image as the greatest country. Obama was such a disappointment.


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