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Guest 06-04-2009 10:05 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 207356)
Yeah, I think it's OK for a person to use all of his given names...or not use them, as he/she sees fit.

We are really testing a new level of political criticism with discussion of people's given names, I think. I had nothing to say about the names my parents gave me, nor does anyone else that I ever heard of, including Barack Hussein Obama.

Maybe if Obama just used his middle name in the begining of his campaign instead of insisting that nobody use it then everybody would have gotten over it and he could just carry on with the campaign. Therefore, he made it the issue be insisting nobody use it. Typical victim crap.

Keedy

Guest 06-04-2009 11:15 AM

How Many??
 
How many people here use their middle given name in day-to-day affairs? Not many, I'd guess. The only time I use mine is when I have to give my middle initial to charge on a credit card.

So why is it such a big deal that President Obama didn't run his campaign, or is running his administration, with infrequent use of his middle given name? Might it be because it's a foreign-sounding name and his antagonists desire to make its use an emotional issue?

The answer is obvious, I think. If President Obama's middle name is one of the biggest issues regarding his presidency, the U.S. will be in great shape!

Guest 06-04-2009 11:39 AM

I think the use of his middle name (or not) is just another
 
perception aspect that is very well managed by him and/or his team and or the media. Anything that could possibly be an unfavorable perspective is very effectively omitted/glossed over/renamed/etc.
No different than any other politician ( or any of us ...eh?).

Most Presidents are referred to more often than not with the middle name or intial. It has been jus the way it has been done...not that it was so much for pride or any other reason. But in this era of our history, like it or not the overt abstinance of using his middle name was good planning during the campaign. And as I said in another post he is using it now only because it brings some value for him in the current settings.

Not a big deal ( I don't think). No different than somebody with a middle name of Hitler....I wonder how often they would use it...I wouldn't!!



BTK

Guest 06-04-2009 11:58 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 207376)
How many people here use their middle given name in day-to-day affairs? Not many, I'd guess. The only time I use mine is when I have to give my middle initial to charge on a credit card.

So why is it such a big deal that President Obama didn't run his campaign, or is running his administration, with infrequent use of his middle given name? Might it be because it's a foreign-sounding name and his antagonists desire to make its use an emotional issue?

The answer is obvious, I think. If President Obama's middle name is one of the biggest issues regarding his presidency, the U.S. will be in great shape!

That is precisely my point....him and only him made it an issue. By insisting that nobody use it..automatically made it an issue.
Many times in history the cover-up of a crime or incident takes on a life of it's own. The mystery or cover-up becomes the issue whether it is really an issue or not.
It has been said in print a million times since Nixon...it is not the crime itself but rather the cover-up. Many people use that same philosophy in every day life. Just throw the bad news out there and after awhile it is not news anymore.
Example: (maybe not the best but it is all I can think of right now) The day that you smash your car up it feels like the end of the world.....a month later it is all but forgotten.
I know this whole subject of a middle name can sound like nonsense....but it is what it is. If you make something sound like it is taboo...everybody wants to talk about it.Keedy

Guest 06-04-2009 01:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 207356)
Yeah, I think it's OK for a person to use all of his given names...or not use them, as he/she sees fit.

We are really testing a new level of political criticism with discussion of people's given names, I think. I had nothing to say about the names my parents gave me, nor does anyone else that I ever heard of, including Barack Hussein Obama.

I ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU VK !!!

HOWEVER, it was NOT OK during the primary or the campaign as I know you recall !

PS: Sen McCain was forced to apologize because a right wing radio host used the name Hussein during a Mc Cain rally
Here in Florida, in Lee County I believe, a candidate for sheriff was attacked for using President Obama's middle name and was actually INVESTIGATED as a result
Their is a left wing website that actually kept track of anyone who used this name during the campaign and then insured it was posted.

Guest 06-04-2009 02:31 PM

My LAst Comment On The Name Game
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 207381)
...Most Presidents are referred to more often than not with the middle name or intial....
BTK

FDR.......yep
Harry.....nope
Ike.........nope
JFK.........yep
Lyndon....nope
Richard....nope
Gerry......nope
Jimmy.....nope
Ronald.....nope
George HW...yep
Bill.........nope
Dubya......yep
Barack.....nope

Looks like the 'nopes' have it 9-4 on the use of a middle name by recent U.S. Presidents.

Guest 06-04-2009 02:33 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 207427)
FDR.......yep
Harry.....nope
Ike.........nope
JFK.........yep
Lyndon....nope
Richard....nope
Gerry......nope
Jimmy.....nope
Ronald.....nope
George HW...yep
Bill.........nope
Dubya......yep
Barack.....nope

Looks like the 'nopes' have it 9-4 on the use of a middle name by recent U.S. Presidents.

Nuts I was hoping you would at least admit that IT WAS AN ISSUE TO ANYONE SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT DURING THE CAMPAIGN !!!!

Guest 06-04-2009 03:17 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 207428)
Nuts I was hoping you would at least admit that IT WAS AN ISSUE TO ANYONE SUPPORTING THE PRESIDENT DURING THE CAMPAIGN !!!!

How many of them went out of their way to deliberately make sure nobody printed his middle name in major publications? How many news sources felt threatened if they did publish their middle names? Some how I cannot picture Eisenhower's team threatening the media to not publish Dwight's middle name.:laugh:

Keedy

Guest 06-04-2009 03:57 PM

It's been 7 months since the election. This still is important because???

Guest 06-04-2009 04:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 207440)
It's been 7 months since the election. This still is important because???


Not important and NEVER was !!!!!

Point is that President Obama and his supporters made a HUGE GIGANTIC issue of it everytime it was mentioned and now another example of the hypocrisy and the fact that even though many warned that hypocrisy like this would be the norm...it all gets a pass !!!!

Guest 06-04-2009 04:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 207442)
Not important and NEVER was !!!!!

Point is that President Obama and his supporters made a HUGE GIGANTIC issue of it everytime it was mentioned and now another example of the hypocrisy and the fact that even though many warned that hypocrisy like this would be the norm...it all gets a pass !!!!

:agree:
Exactly, now the White House dictates what is news and what not is news. The previous administration never had that luxury. There has never been an occupant of the White House who could control what the mainstream media reports more this this present one. For instance, and there are plenty, they made sure that a dead abortionist got the ink instead of a fallen soldier.

Keedy

Guest 06-04-2009 04:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 207427)
FDR.......yep
Harry.....nope
Ike.........nope
JFK.........yep
Lyndon....nope
Richard....nope
Gerry......nope
Jimmy.....nope
Ronald.....nope
George HW...yep
Bill.........nope
Dubya......yep
Barack.....nope

Looks like the 'nopes' have it 9-4 on the use of a middle name by recent U.S. Presidents.

Wrong again VK

Ike, David
Johnson, Baines
Nixon, Milhous
Carter, Earl
Bill, Jefferson

And those I only know because they used them on a regular basis.

Now why is it an issue today? Because he made such an issue of it during the campaign and today in Cairo he used it. But notice only when it was to
his advantage.

I am ashamed of my country and ashamed to have to call this coward our president.


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