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Guest 02-08-2012 04:35 PM

Obviously saying that Republicans do not care about poor people. Well, we did hear Romney state that fact. Sounds like a basic plank in their platform with some of the posts here. Yet, they talk the Christian and Judiac virtues, don't they? Something seems to be missing in the equation - but I never was excellent in math.

Guest 02-08-2012 04:41 PM

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Obviously saying that Republicans do not care about poor people. Well, we did hear Romney state that fact. Sounds like a basic plank in their platform with some of the posts here. Yet, they talk the Christian and Judiac virtues, don't they? Something seems to be missing in the equation - but I never was excellent in math.

You keep referring to churches, religions etc. To what church did our President belong for the greater part of his life and whose pastor married him and served as his advisor ?

Why does he get a pass from you ?

Guest 02-08-2012 09:40 PM

This forum gets more entertaining every day! Intelligent and provacative threads dwindle into free association then slide into anything goes ridiculous TRUTH...:popcorn:

Guest 02-08-2012 10:59 PM

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This forum gets more entertaining every day! Intelligent and provacative threads dwindle into free association then slide into anything goes ridiculous TRUTH...:popcorn:

This is all good news Katz. The liberals are on the run and have nothing positive to say and are in desperate attack mode.

It's all turned around quicker than I would have believed. That's the way I see it.

The liberals are down to hate and ridicule. It won't take them very far.

Guest 02-09-2012 12:19 AM

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This is all good news Katz. The liberals are on the run and have nothing positive to say and are in desperate attack mode.

It's all turned around quicker than I would have believed. That's the way I see it.

The liberals are down to hate and ridicule. It won't take them very far.

This may be true to some extent, but the worry-some problem is trying to figure out how in the world Obama stays so popular with the electorate while any of his policy or performance ratings are considerably lower. However, as low as those figures are, there no where's near where they should be. They should be similar to those of Congress which is currently at a pitiful 10% according to the NBC news today.

BTW, I recently heard someone from some election study organization that if you took the bias out of presidential elections, that Republicans would win by 8-10 points. I'm not sure though if that includes other biased elements like educational indoctrination of our youth, entitlement handouts influencing recipients to be Democrats to maintain or even increase those entitlements and more. Unfortunately I don't remember where I heard it, who said it or the organization involved. But that doesn't matter though and people can either believe me or not. Also, most if not all liberals on here wouldn't care less if I proved it or not and would still try to marginalize and discredit it anyway even if I did!

Guest 02-09-2012 09:26 AM

Well, according to the Gallup organization, 10 states plus DC have President Obama at over 50% approval rating. Included are some very large electoral states such as New York, Illinois, and California.

Looks good for November!!
Obama Approval Above 50% in 10 States and D.C. in 2011

Guest 02-09-2012 09:35 AM

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This may be true to some extent, but the worry-some problem is trying to figure out how in the world Obama stays so popular with the electorate while any of his policy or performance ratings are considerably lower. However, as low as those figures are, there no where's near where they should be. They should be similar to those of Congress which is currently at a pitiful 10% according to the NBC news today.

BTW, I recently heard someone from some election study organization that if you took the bias out of presidential elections, that Republicans would win by 8-10 points. I'm not sure though if that includes other biased elements like educational indoctrination of our youth, entitlement handouts influencing recipients to be Democrats to maintain or even increase those entitlements and more. Unfortunately I don't remember where I heard it, who said it or the organization involved. But that doesn't matter though and people can either believe me or not. Also, most if not all liberals on here wouldn't care less if I proved it or not and would still try to marginalize and discredit it anyway even if I did!

I think it's much smoke and mirrors from the "national media" which is virtually an arm of the Democrat Party and an auxiliary arm of the Obama Administration in a practical explanation.

Don't believe the polls. Poll questions are asked in a way to produce the desired response and then spun to reflect a point that was never advanced in the questions itself.

Don't let the Democrat "controlled" national media get you down. Have faith in your fellow Americans, and keep moving forward.

Guest 02-09-2012 11:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 450835)
Well, according to the Gallup organization, 10 states plus DC have President Obama at over 50% approval rating. Included are some very large electoral states such as New York, Illinois, and California.

Looks good for November!!
Obama Approval Above 50% in 10 States and D.C. in 2011


If you visit some of the poll sites (which would bore you since they would give you facts that are relative) you would find the McCain reached his highest approval rating EVER during the Obama/Clinton war for the nomination.

Not many folks out there right now going after the President on health care or anything at this moment.

Fact is, and I told you this before.....we are in a primary in one party while the other party has none....this is what happens in that case.

None of what I am saying indicates a Democratic win or loss in November, but I cannot understand how you can rely on, and get some kind of solace from, polls that are conducted at this time in an election cycle.

If you check on personal approval ratings over the years, you might be chagrined to find it is no indicator whatsoever of how the elections will go.

Guest 02-09-2012 11:36 AM

Bucco, Buggy's post is somewhat deceiving. If you read the information supplied with the poll he posted, noting the parts I posted in bold, it says:

With the average state showing a 3.2-point drop in approval between 2010 and 2011, the number of states showing majority approval of Obama did not change much between the two years, moving from 12 states and the District of Columbia in 2010 to 10 states plus D.C. in 2011. Washington state and Rhode Island were the two states that dropped below 50% approval last year.

However, Obama was on pace to show an increase in majority approval states -- to 16 plus the District of Columbia -- midway through 2011. But his lower approval ratings in the third and fourth quarters of the year resulted in a net decline in the number of states above 50% approval by the time the year was complete.

Implications

Obama's approval rating at the state level provides some insight into his chances to win an Electoral College majority. He would seem to be well-positioned in the states in which his approval rating was above 50% last year, including three of the larger states in California, New York, and Illinois. The states with majority approval of Obama in 2011 account for 159 electoral votes. Obama won all of those states' electoral votes in the 2008 election.

On the other hand, states in which his approval rating was below 40% seem less likely to recover enough to allow Obama to claim their electoral votes this fall. Those states account for 153 electoral votes. All except New Hampshire voted for John McCain in 2008.

Thus, the key to Obama's winning a second term lies in the states whose approval rating is in the 40% range, which account for the remaining 226 electoral votes and include traditional "swing states" such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Obama won the vast majority of these states in 2008.

Guest 02-09-2012 11:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 450892)
Bucco, Buggy's post is somewhat deceiving. If you read the information supplied with the poll he posted, noting the parts I posted in bold, it says:

With the average state showing a 3.2-point drop in approval between 2010 and 2011, the number of states showing majority approval of Obama did not change much between the two years, moving from 12 states and the District of Columbia in 2010 to 10 states plus D.C. in 2011. Washington state and Rhode Island were the two states that dropped below 50% approval last year.

However, Obama was on pace to show an increase in majority approval states -- to 16 plus the District of Columbia -- midway through 2011. But his lower approval ratings in the third and fourth quarters of the year resulted in a net decline in the number of states above 50% approval by the time the year was complete.

Implications

Obama's approval rating at the state level provides some insight into his chances to win an Electoral College majority. He would seem to be well-positioned in the states in which his approval rating was above 50% last year, including three of the larger states in California, New York, and Illinois. The states with majority approval of Obama in 2011 account for 159 electoral votes. Obama won all of those states' electoral votes in the 2008 election.

On the other hand, states in which his approval rating was below 40% seem less likely to recover enough to allow Obama to claim their electoral votes this fall. Those states account for 153 electoral votes. All except New Hampshire voted for John McCain in 2008.

Thus, the key to Obama's winning a second term lies in the states whose approval rating is in the 40% range, which account for the remaining 226 electoral votes and include traditional "swing states" such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Obama won the vast majority of these states in 2008.

Great post....and thanks for doing the "grunt work" BK ! Wouldn't this be a great forum if everyone did the same !!!

Guest 02-09-2012 11:55 AM

Spin it any way you want. That is what the opposition always does - just listen to your Fox Noise station.

Makes no difference to me how you spin it. Enjoy yourselves. This is Florida (kind of cool today) but it is still a beautiful day in The Villages.

Guest 02-09-2012 01:03 PM

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Spin it any way you want. That is what the opposition always does...

But...isn't that exactly what YOU did? :icon_wink:

Guest 02-09-2012 01:55 PM

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Are we referring to the same Thomas Frank? The one who started his political journey as a College Republican before he became highly critical of Republican governance, especially the presidency of George W. Bush. Just what is it that makes this "substantive reporting"?

If we survived 8 years of bush, we can survive 8 years of obama. I hope that does not happen, but who knows. Santorum will get little democratic voters support...romney would get alot. Pick your poison carefully.

Guest 02-09-2012 02:46 PM

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I had posted, "Spin it any way you want. That is what the opposition always does - just listen to your Fox Noise station.

Makes no difference to me how you spin it. Enjoy yourselves. This is Florida (kind of cool today) but it is still a beautiful day in The Villages."
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A sermon? 5 short sentences comprise a sermon? I merely stated that I really do not care how you take what I linked and try to make it out to be false. We will see in November what the results will be. As for Fox Noise, yes, Fox is famous for spinning whatever is said into something else.

Do not tell me to stop making wild statements. I posted a link from a reliable polling company. Gallup Organization is well known and respected. Please accept that not everyone is a Fox Noise Sheeple, and we can act in a civil way.


Again you go with the Fox stuff...WHO, AT ANYTIME MENTIONED FOX...WHO, AT ANYTIME LINKED TO FOX.

YOU are the only one who mentions it...YOU are the only one mentioning spin.

BK and I simply read your post and gave our opinion and frankly neither of them would prevent acting in a civil way at any time. They were both worded in a civil manner and replied to your post.

You did not even appear to have read them and immediately and continue with the assault of Fox and spin and I dont understand why. Perhaps you should look in the mirror. NOBODY said anything that was not civil and NOBODY BUT YOU mentioned Fox or spin and NOBODY even disputed what you said !

Guest 02-09-2012 02:59 PM

The Gallup Organization has revealed that there are 10 states plus DC which show over a 50% approval rating for President Obama. These include some states with a high electoral vote such as California, New York, and Illinois.

Looks good for November, doesn't it?


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