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MDLNB 01-07-2017 08:40 AM

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And what plan are you referring to? Also, you know this mystery plan will cover more folks and cost less because Trump told you it would? You mean the same guy who said Mexicans would pay for the wall the same time he releases his taxes? Man, there is no fool like an old fool.

Republicans have submitted over nine alternative programs to replace ObieCare, but it was stopped by the Democrats, the last being submitted last June or July.

Quite being a crybaby or go to your safe room and play with your stuffed bunny.

Anything at all, including NO program would be better than ObieCare.

hypocritehunter 01-07-2017 08:42 AM

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For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

Not true. Less than half the voters voted for this blowhard. Please don't lump me into this herd of sheep.

MDLNB 01-07-2017 08:43 AM

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I want it called Trumpcare. Especially when you drop the provision that requires people to have health care insurance. I hope you are intelligent enough to know what that will do. Good luck Trumpsters on that one.

Any plan at all will be better than ObieCare, INCLUDING no program. We've seen how the libtard MANDATORY purchase program has worked out. Just another Tyranical attempt at socialism and a step towards communism. Liberals are losers that should leave this great country and go find out what it is like to live in a socialist system. It will open their eyes, once they take off their blinders.

hypocritehunter 01-07-2017 08:44 AM

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Sadly people must be forced to be RESPONSIBLE.

A young HEALTHY person decides hey I am healthy I would rather spend that money on a new car, nice vacation a stock market investment etc. We all have other things to spend the thousands that healthcare insurance costs.

So back to that healthy person. He is in an auto accident
does he scream help me or does he scream I have no insurance so take me dead or alive to the garbage dump.
Of course they will take him to the hospital. Since he does not have insurance, most likely he will not pay the hospital. WHO WILL PAY? YOU WILL PAY. Part of the reason why healthcare is so expensive-IS THAT YOU PAY FOR ALL WHO DO NOT.

Eighty percent of all health care is paid for by either the government or by insurance. The entire system is crazy.
The insurance company or the government tells you what the proper care is. They tell the provider what he can charge. If, you were to consider not having insurance AND SELF INSURING-you take the risk and you pay the bill should medical care be necessary, SHOULD YOU NEED CARE YOU WILL BE BILLED ROUGHLY TWICE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE INSURANCE PAYS.

ALSO-there is nothing else you buy besides medical care where you do not ask the price or to ask to see previous JOBS he has done.

Exactly right. :BigApplause:

hypocritehunter 01-07-2017 08:51 AM

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And we already told you that we are not interested in supporting you needy people in America. It is not our responsibility to make things easier for you, just because you can't hack it in real life. This is a FREE country and making someone purchase something is not being FREE. Quit your bit*hing and crying and grow TFU!

Your program FAILED and is costing AMERICA and it's citizens too much. We were better off before ObieCare. You blind libtards will never get it. Just too naive to understand that we are not here to support you. Perhaps we should legalize post-natal abortion to get rid of the lazy.


Ok Trumpsters; is there one of you willing to answer this question? Billy Smith has no insurance, gets run over by a truck and is badly injured. Who pays for his health care? Or do you let him die on the side of the road?

hypocritehunter 01-07-2017 08:55 AM

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That may be, but Harry's nuclear option will get rid of ObieCare. If the Democrats want to be responsible for being "obstructionists" then they can lose some more places in congress in 2018.

You were ok with republicans being obstructionists I'm sure you are ok with democrats doing the same. Goose and gander

MDLNB 01-07-2017 09:08 AM

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You were ok with republicans being obstructionists I'm sure you are ok with democrats doing the same. Goose and gander

I'm fine with the self-destruction of the left. Have it your way and become permanent losers. If you all haven't learned your lesson by now, you deserve people like Pelosi and Chucky Shumer. Harry was a pitiful punk with a Napoleon complex. Too bad he is not staying. You libs need him as a reminder of what caused you all to lose again. :BigApplause:

AJ32162 01-07-2017 10:18 AM

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Ok Trumpsters; is there one of you willing to answer this question? Billy Smith has no insurance, gets run over by a truck and is badly injured. Who pays for his health care? Or do you let him die on the side of the road?

If he is poor and qualifies, MEDICAID pays his bill. If not, the hospital treats him and sends him the bill.


How to Get Medical Treatment After an Accident Without Insurance - AllLaw.com


Who do you think pays the medical bills of illegal aliens?

MDLNB 01-07-2017 10:29 AM

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If he is poor and qualifies, MEDICAID pays his bill. If not, the hospital treats him and sends him the bill.

Who do you think pays the medical bills of illegal aliens?

It won't be the libtards, that's for sure. They want the wealthy to pay for everything. Illegal Aliens should be treated in jail and then deported, regardless of how long they have been in the country or how many kids they spawned. That's the law and illegals are criminals.

Cedwards38 01-08-2017 08:28 AM

As was stated in the OP, the use of name calling in an argument is simply a pathetic and unintelligent way to compensate for lack of facts and rationale thought to support an argument. It says a lot about the poster and the poster's opinion when it is unsupported by documented reasons. Do we really have to be mean spirited simply because we disagree?

Now, to the question posed by the thread, I don't want anyone in America, a land of plenty, to have their life devastated physically or financially because they got sick or hurt. I want healthcare for everyone to be a right that we guarantee as a nation, and not a business that we manipulate for a profit. Is there a reason that the United States is ranked 43rd in the world in life expectancy at birth, behind so many countries that guarantee universal healthcare for it's citizens?

Life Expectancy for
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Don Baldwin 01-08-2017 08:51 AM

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As was stated in the OP, the use of name calling in an argument is simply a pathetic and unintelligent way to compensate for lack of facts and rationale thought to support an argument. It says a lot about the poster and the poster's opinion when it is unsupported by documented reasons. Do we really have to be mean spirited simply because we disagree?

Now, to the question posed by the thread, I don't want anyone in America, a land of plenty, to have their life devastated physically or financially because they got sick or hurt. I want healthcare for everyone to be a right that we guarantee as a nation, and not a business that we manipulate for a profit. Is there a reason that the United States is ranked 43rd in the world in life expectancy at birth, behind so many countries that guarantee universal healthcare for it's citizens?

Life Expectancy for
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Yes...there IS an answer...only you won't like it. The answer is...the US has MANY more poor hispanic/black minorities that bring the statistics down for us. It's the SAME with numbers like education, happiness, crime, etc. ALL the numbers are skewed by the minorities. White countries do well...medium white (the US) do OK, and "dark" countries do poorly... Soon, we'll be doing poorly as the percentage of minorities goes up.

This is what ALWAYS happens...it's NOT different this time.

ColdNoMore 01-08-2017 08:56 AM

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It won't be the libtards, that's for sure.

Found your photo. :D

dirtbanker 01-08-2017 09:32 AM

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It says a lot about the poster and the poster's opinion when it is unsupported by documented reasons.

It is sort of like:someone on here posted a google search that buried your a$$ (or at least countered the point you were trying to make) and you never responded...

Your wish for medical care not to be run as a business for profit...will be nearly impossible, The hospitals, insurance companies, and medical professionals (nurses, techs, doctors) all want to make good money for their services. Remember as a kid how the parents wanted their kids to grow up to be rich doctors? Do you feel they should arbitrarily take a cut in pay? Maybe they all have to give up their lake homes, vacation condos, and drive $hitty cars, so people can have cheaper health care??

"spending on health care per capita in the U.S. is greater than all other OECD countries"

I wish they would have left it as it was prior to Obammacare, as it was cheaper. In 2013, my wife and I were age 50 and our healthcare per month was $750 with a $5500 deductible, today it is $1100 a month with the same deductible. Fortunately my wife and I are healthy, non obese, never smoked, no illness, no prescriptions...We have been to the doctor for preventive measures such as wellness check ups, detection blood tests (PSA), colonoscopy, ETC. I feel we are the ideal customer for the insurance company, and we are paying $13,200 a year (plus our $5500 deductible = $18,200) - That is a lot of money!

Does anyone remember any insurance companies bad mouthing Obammacare back in 2012-2013?? Me either!!

I wonder if any insurance companies donated to Obamma's election coffer, as he was guaranteeing them customers...

I hope Trump repeals Obammacare and gets the hell out of the medical care business.

The U.S. Health Care System: An International Perspective - DPEAFLCIO

Cedwards38 01-08-2017 03:49 PM

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It is sort of like:someone on here posted a google search that buried your a$$ (or at least countered the point you were trying to make) and you never responded...

Your wish for medical care not to be run as a business for profit...will be nearly impossible, The hospitals, insurance companies, and medical professionals (nurses, techs, doctors) all want to make good money for their services. Remember as a kid how the parents wanted their kids to grow up to be rich doctors? Do you feel they should arbitrarily take a cut in pay? Maybe they all have to give up their lake homes, vacation condos, and drive $hitty cars, so people can have cheaper health care??

"spending on health care per capita in the U.S. is greater than all other OECD countries"

I wish they would have left it as it was prior to Obammacare, as it was cheaper. In 2013, my wife and I were age 50 and our healthcare per month was $750 with a $5500 deductible, today it is $1100 a month with the same deductible. Fortunately my wife and I are healthy, non obese, never smoked, no illness, no prescriptions...We have been to the doctor for preventive measures such as wellness check ups, detection blood tests (PSA), colonoscopy, ETC. I feel we are the ideal customer for the insurance company, and we are paying $13,200 a year (plus our $5500 deductible = $18,200) - That is a lot of money!

Does anyone remember any insurance companies bad mouthing Obammacare back in 2012-2013?? Me either!!

I wonder if any insurance companies donated to Obamma's election coffer, as he was guaranteeing them customers...

I hope Trump repeals Obammacare and gets the hell out of the medical care business.

The U.S. Health Care System: An International Perspective - DPEAFLCIO

Alright, you're going to have to help me. I've looked through this thread twice and I fail to see any link or reference to a "Google Search" to which you reference that buries the a$$ of me or anyone else who posits the initial point, which was:

The GOP is poised to repeal the ACA without any clear replacement and that is bad policy.

Perhaps I am mistaken, and if so you might be so kind as to direct me to that Google Search or post a link to it once again. And if I'm wrong then I apologize, but I feel compelled to state that even if my a$$ is buried, that is much preferable to showing my a$$ with unsubstantiated arguments.

The link to the article you posted, which made the point that "spending on health care per capita in the U.S. is greater than all other OECD countries" was good and provided me some insight. In fact I'll share some additional quotes from that same article as well:


"There were 32 million uninsured Americans in 2014, nine million fewer than the year prior. Experts attribute this sharp decline in the uninsured to the full implementation of the ACA in 2014. Of American adults who had health insurance in 2014, 73 percent had one or more full-time workers in the family and 12 percent had one or more part-time workers in the family. Just 49 percent of American adults reported getting health insurance from an employer in 2014.

Coverage by employer-provided insurance varies considerably by wage level. Firms with higher proportions of low-wage workers are less likely to provide access to health insurance than those with low-proportions of low-wage workers.

In 2014, 11.2 percent of full-time workers were without health insurance. However, the percentage of part-time workers without insurance was 17.7 percent, a significant decrease from 24 percent in 2013, thanks in part to the Affordable Care Act. The uninsured rate among those who had not worked at least one week also decreased from 22.2 percent in 2013 to 17.3 percent in 2014.

Smaller firms are significantly less likely to provide health benefits to full or part-time workers. Among all small firms (3-199 workers) in 2015, only 56 percent offered health coverage, compared to 98 percent of large firms.

After the Affordable Care Act allowed for many young adults (19-25) to remain on their parents’ health plans, there was a statistically significant increase in the percentage of insured young people from 68.3 percent in 2009[31] to 82.9 percent in 2014. Over the same period, the percentage of young people aged 26-34 with insurance increased from 70.9 percent to 81.8 percent.

Minorities and children are disproportionately uninsured. In 2014, 7.6 percent of non-Hispanic Whites were uninsured, 11.8 percent of Blacks were uninsured, 9.3 percent of Asians, and 19.9 percent of people of Hispanic origin were uninsured. The Kaiser Family Foundation has found that about 80 percent of the uninsured are U.S. citizens. Among children, six percent were uninsured in 2014. These children are 10 times more likely than insured children to have unmet medical needs and are five times as likely as an insured child to go more than two years without seeing a doctor.

Women in the individual market often faced higher premiums than men for the same coverage. Beginning in 2014, the Affordable Care Act banned this practice, as well as denying coverage for pre-existing conditions.

In 2014, 19.3 percent of the population living below 100 percent of the poverty line ($23,550 a year for a family of four) was uninsured. According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, 90 percent of the uninsured have family incomes within 400 percent of the federal poverty level. This makes them eligible for either subsidized coverage through tax credits or expanded Medicaid eligibility under the Affordable Care Act’s state health exchanges."

rjm1cc 01-08-2017 04:16 PM

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I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times

I worked for a company that employed about 500 employees. About 50% were part time by their choice. In fact the hourly pay went up after 20 hours for the week. You also got time off with pay for hours worked.

But with the 30 hour rule we had to split the part time employees into two groups. Those we would not let work 30 hours a week and those we wanted to work as many hours as they wanted. However if you want more than 30 yours you had to commit to that every week and if you did not we would have to fire you to avoid the health insurance costs. Thus you might have insurance but not a job. Then your earnings are going to be too low to get a subsidy for your health insurance and you will have no health insurance and no job. Unfortunately their is a lot to all the rules that have been put in place and they are not friendly to job creation.


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