Posted by Guest

I advocate our leaders making a decision.

If they say, throw everyone out that is not a citizen or is here illegally, so be it.....while I find that economically unfeasible, so be it.

However, they wont and next President will issue Executive Orders to satisfy whatever he construes as his base, whether best for the country of not.

You totally misunderstand me on this. I guess I do not make sense but this circle j#@@ will continue forever if we don't find a leader. As I said, it has frustrated Presidents for years and years, and I never hear a reference to s744, which would NOT throw out all illegal immigrants so you will not agree.

I offer this just for information because the hard right and the hard left refuse to make any concessions and this problem will get worse not better over the years .

This is from an article about what we would look like had this bill not been ignored ........For example...

"First and foremost, the Senate bill would have put the vast majority of the 11.2 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States on a 13-year pathway to citizenship. Anyone who entered the country prior to January 1, 2012, who passed a background check, had not committed a serious crime, and paid fees and a fine could apply to gain registered provisional immigrant, or RPI, status. This is the first step toward permanent residency. Once they gained RPI status, immigrants would be free from the constant worry that they or their family members could be picked up by police, detained, and deported at any time; they also would have the ability to work legally. After 10 years with RPI status, they could adjust to permanent residency and, three years later, become citizens. The bill also included accelerated pathways to citizenship for DREAMers—young undocumented immigrants who came to the United States prior to age 16—and agricultural workers.



2 Years Later, Immigrants Are Still Waiting on Immigration Reform - Center for American Progress

This is obviously not acceptable to you or others. But I offer this for your consideration....

"“The economic contribution to U.S. GDP of the current unauthorized workers is substantial,” the researchers wrote. “Unauthorized workers may be responsible for 8 to 9 percent of the value-added in agriculture, construction, and leisure and hospitality.”

While that seems dire, the research comes with a major caveat: It assumes that workers from other segments of the economy wouldn’t take the jobs left vacant by the deported immigrants. It’s likely that some Americans and legal immigrants would take on those roles, shifting between industries and jobs to secure new opportunities, although it’s unclear how much appeal those vacant jobs would hold for legal and native-born workers.

Trump’s position on immigration has been formed by the view that undocumented workers are taking wages and jobs away from native-born and legal workers. But policy experts note that his focus on immigration comes at a time when the share of undocumented workers is declining. While the American labor force, comprised of people born in the U.S. or who immigrated legally, has expanded by 2.2 percent since 2009, the number of illegal immigrants has declined from 8.1 million to 8 million over the same time.

It’s also unclear whether unauthorized workers are taking jobs away from Americans. Even within the occupations with the largest shares of undocumented workers -- such as farm laborers, roofers and maintenance workers -- the majority of jobs are filled by native-born workers and legal immigrants. "



How would deporting undocumented workers affect the U.S. economy? - CBS News

The last estimate for cost for deporting all illegals I heard was in excess of 400 BILLION dollars in new spending.

While I agree....you already violated our law in getting here, you should go....but what you suggest is COSTLY and simplistic.

Do you not see any middle ground or do we simply round up illegals, who may have been here longer than you or I....and simply throw them out ?

By the way, I welcome and enjoy your conversations. I just wish you would broaden your skills to some of the REAL FAKE NEWS and such that permeate this forum. I welcome your defense of Trump on these issues, I love that kind of logical conversation but what sends me off are the lies and uncompromising FALSE defense of the office. I honestly am an American first......the kind of rhetoric on this forum and in many conversations is so far removed from reality and truth and while I am not feeling sorry for myself, I am tired of being called a dummy because I object to labeling of fellow american as if they were cattle and then maligning them as a group, or defending lies from the seat of our government and not just the WH.

So many millions of Republicans, conservative, Democrats, liberals, progressives are real patriots, and the differences in opinion on HOW is not something to be ashamed of or to back away from. I did not believe Goldwater when he said what he said about extremism and I so much fear the move in that direction from both the right and the left.

By the way, I had forgotten but recall the thought by Goldwater that I DID AGREE on....part of the same speech actually...

"We must not see malice in honest differences of opinion, and no matter how great, so long as they are not inconsistent with the pledges we have given to each other in and through our Constitution."

Posted by Guest

Your post is so wide ranging that I can't respond to every point right now. But let me say that I find it hard to believe that there are many illegal aliens running around in America who have been here longer than I have, unless they are over 80 years old. And, certainly not longer than my family, which arrived in the mid-1700s.

Regarding getting on some of the other forums, I find them so toxic with ranting, raving and personal insults, that I can't really sort out the issues which could be properly addressed.

Regarding immigration, my mantra is the same as that of DHS Secretary John Kelley (now WH Chief of Staff) "My job is to enforce the law as it is written. If you don't like the law, change it."

My priorities would be:

1. Seek out, arrest and deport gang members who are illegal aliens, with an emphasis on MS-13 members.

2. Apprehend, and turn around at the border, anyone attempting to enter our country illegally.

3. Take custody of any illegal alien convicted of a crime and process him for deportation, after completion of his jail sentence.

4. Cancel Obama's Executive Orders that ordered our law enforcement agencies not to enforce immigration laws.

5. Simply enforce existing immigration laws until they are changed by Congress.

6. Press for withholding of federal funds from any governmental entity that styles itself as a "sanctuary" from immigration process and refuses to cooperate with Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers.

Posted by Guest

I didn't quote your entire earlier post because the point was the gang MS-13.

Addressing "economic factors" that leads to gang formation is irrelevant in the case of MS-13, because being illegal aliens, THEY DON'T BELONG HERE.

Getting rid of them IS NOT a matter of executive orders. It nèeds only the will to enforce EXISTING LAW.

By the way, "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" has become a code word for "amnesty for everyone who is now here illegally," which is unacceptable.

Carl in Tampa

Posted by Guest

Without lots of words (odd for me), we agree as far as you went, but without addressing the 11 million or so that will still be here....non gang members with no criminal record.

S744 addressed that as I spelled out. You said originally yhey all go, but were silent on law abiding, non gang members. 744 offered a path that was good for the country, and by the way not that easy.

That bill had the makings but politics again got in the way. That bill also addressed the border wall issue.

This is my frustration.....this was killed and conversation gets heated and nasty and loud.

So, now we will simply make up one rule at a time.....next guy in has different views...he makes a new EO throws out all the rules his predecessor put in place and we get nowhere. Why is there not after all these years have bi partisan discussion, as we should be doing on health care....I, me...not interested in a Republican or Democratic plan on any of this, but a bi partisan plan for the country.

Posted by Guest

Without lots of words (odd for me), we agree as far as you went, but without addressing the 11 million or so that will still be here....non gang members with no criminal record.

S744 addressed that as I spelled out. You said originally yhey all go, but were silent on law abiding, non gang members. 744 offered a path that was good for the country, and by the way not that easy.

That bill had the makings but politics again got in the way. That bill also addressed the border wall issue.

This is my frustration.....this was killed and conversation gets heated and nasty and loud.

So, now we will simply make up one rule at a time.....next guy in has different views...he makes a new EO throws out all the rules his predecessor put in place and we get nowhere. Why is there not after all these years have bi partisan discussion, as we should be doing on health care....I, me...not interested in a Republican or Democratic plan on any of this, but a bi partisan plan for the country.

Posted by Guest

Well.....no. I did address the "11 million remaining" illegal aliens. It was point #5.

5. Simply enforce existing immigration laws until they are changed by Congress.

ICE deals with other illegal aliens as they come in contact with them. It is just lower on the priority list than the other four items above it.

I continue to resist the argument that just because someone successfully broke our laws (to get here) and has successfully avoided detection of their illegal presence, we should put them on the path to citizenship.

NOW, having said that, I would consider measures (a new class of non immigrant visa) that would legitimize the presence of illegal aliens who have been in the United States for a long period of time without having been convicted of a crime, with the provision that they cannot attain citizenship without returning to their home country and getting in line behind their fellow citizens who have been waiting to become U.S. citizens legally.

Otherwise, they just take their chances and get deported when we catch them. And, deportation would make future citizenship applications more likely to be refused.