When it comes to social issues, I "lean left" according to how people like to pdgeonhole me. I believe in freedoms the way they were outlined in the Constitution.

*Today's* Republican seems to believe in "well, if you're not doing anything wrong, you don't need privacy".

When it comes to fiscal issues, I lean the other way. I had an friend who had an artist over and the artist was griping about how he wished the government would "support the arts" more and that art was very important and should be publicly funded. I said words to the effect of "then get a patron". He was puzzled. I said "Look, what if I decide to sit on my ass and draw stick figures - claim it's 'minimalist art' and demand a government stiped". The look on his face clearly said that he'd never thought of that possibility. He didn't understand that his passion (art) if put into law would bring people in to abuse the system.

And you're right. I shouldn't have used the word "Gestapo". I should have found something a little milder than "KGB".

Cashman: So my bit of frustrated ranting is "hate speech"? Yet Tea Partiers putting a Hitler moustache on an Obama portrait is ok? Can you tell me what your definition of "hate speech" is, then? Or am I *completely* missing the humor in a remark? (Though, in the end, you're right about one thing - it's not going to solve anything other than venting for a brief time)

I'm just glad that people are starting to pay attention to what is going on with this administration. And most only have scraped the surface.

As far as the Tea Party people, God bless them. I have observed many of their gatherings in several States. They are orderly, clean up the mess, and protest peacefully. I have also noticed 'set-ups' by people of another persuasion accusing Tea Parties of bad behavior, physically and verbally. That's a load of crappola (as my grandfather used to say).

We need to take this country back and take it back to the Constitution. The government is responsible for our protection militarily -- NOT from everything we eat to how much water is in the toilet bowl.

If anyone doesn't agree with me, I'm fine with that. But I will exercise my rights and help to get Conservatives to run and get elected, starting with November 2010.

If we don't get this Congress back and rid ourselves of this president in 2012, there is truly no hope. I am glad that I won't live long enough to see all of this play out that Obama has planned, but I am very saddened that my children will not have the country that I grew up in or the freedoms and opportunities I had.

Hey Bucco talk about things that didn't happen and no apology how about James O'Keefe and his edited garbage being reported as factual on his "expose" of ACORN. And climategate...no apologies for that even though it has now been reported that no one lied. Stop the sanctimonious nonsense please.

waynet, please post links to things you say here to prove your point. No offense, but it is silly to argue against hollow echos of left wing rhetoric. Please don't be a mindless parrot. Give us something with substance that we can consider to change our opinions. I have yet to see anything to dispel the charges against ACORN or prove global warming. Just back up your bull....ish remarks. Respectfully, B.K.

What kind of parallel universe to you inhabit? Acorn was guilty and scientists lied. But if you have any credible links. Even the leftists have disputed your allegations.

Why
 

Why Waynet do you whine when you are wasting time with wobbly weak unsupported willy nilly unwisdoms.

my guess from a different planet
 

What other explanation?

1. Please supply a link to substantiate your comments.

2. Please point out where anything I posted was "nonsense" and not true.


Thank you

I suppose I should say I am sorry that this man edited the film to suit his purposes. Now explain what we did see...edited ? You did say you wanted an apology, right ?

And, please explain what that situation has to do with the original thread subject matter. If you wish to begin a thread on what each party has done over the years, it will be a long one.

You TOTALLY miss the point in your attempt to be PARTY LOYAL !

Neither report says the interviews on the ACORN undercover operation tapes didn't happen or were false. The Brooklyn DA investigated three ACORN employees who were taped.

The report by House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.), which was requested by House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank, (imagine that) found no instances of ACORN illegally registering individuals to vote, no instances where ACORN violated the terms of federal funding in the last five years, and:

"Concerning recent "sting" operations relating to ACORN, although state laws vary, two relevant states, Maryland and California, "appear to ban private recording of face to face conversations absent the consent of all the participants." Memorandum from the Congressional Research Service to the House Judiciary, "Allegations of Recording Conversations with Various ACORN Affiliated Individuals without Their Consent" (October 9, 2009), at 1."

http://judiciary.house.gov/news/091222.html

"....Congressional Research Service in December, where ACORN’s actions were determined to be less legally objectionable than the actions of O’Keefe and Giles, who likely violated laws in two states banning surreptitious face to face recording."

http://coloradoindependent.com/48555...l-then-and-now

"Less legally objectionable..." The legal objectionable thing that the undercover operations by OKeefe and Giles were taping without consent of all parties in two states."

ACORN Statement by Brooklyn DA Charles Hynes"

Brooklyn, March 1, 2010 - Kings County District Attorney Charles J. Hynes today released the following statement:

“On September 15, 2009, my office began an investigation into possible criminality on the part of three ACORN employees. The three had been secretly videotaped by two people posing as a pimp and prostitute, who came to ACORN’S Brooklyn office, seeking advice about how to purchase a house with money generated by their ‘business.’ The ‘couple’ later made the recording public. That investigation is now concluded and no criminality has been found.”

http://www.brooklynda.org/



Nothing I read says the tapes were false and the Congressional review doesn't mention anything about editing by OKeefe.

On the same site you provided previously waynet, The Colorado Independent, I saw this article about the recent California Attorney General's report on the ACORN investigation by OKeefe. The Colorado Indepentent's version is a little misleading. Their article emphasis the misdeads of OKeefe and Giles.


I looked up the actual report on the California AG's website. It is very different than what the Colorado Independent site says.

According to the first three paragraphs of the California AG's press release: "California Attorney General Edmund G. Brown Jr. today released a report, including newly obtained videotapes, that shows some members of the community organizing group ACORN engaged in "highly inappropriate behavior," but committed no violation of criminal laws.

"Brown's report also uncovered "likely violations" of state law, including dumping 500 pages of confidential records into a dumpster, failure to file a 2007 tax return, and four instances of possible voter registration fraud by ACORN in San Diego in connection with the 2008 election, as well as other irregularities in the group's California operations. These irregularities have been referred to the appropriate authorities.

"A few ACORN members exhibited terrible judgment and highly inappropriate behavior in videotapes obtained in the investigation," Brown said. "But they didn't commit prosecutable crimes in California."

http://ag.ca.gov/newsalerts/release.php?id=1888

No offense, but consider the source when using The Colorado Independent as a source. Don't take it at face value. Use it as a springboard to study the subjects they cover and look to other sources as well. It is a spinoff of the controversial Independent Media Center who has "anti-capitalist views." It is basically Internet bloggers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Media_Center