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Another use of the Liberal term "warrantless wiretaps" to incite hate for Bush and Republicans.

Would you use this terminology if the use of wiretaps saved a member of you family.

By the way our privacy does not trump these methods according to Obamas new procedures which most agree with. Republicans generally agree with these methods no matter whether it is Bush or Obama using them.

djplong, I don't believe it is a Democrat or Republican question. I think your freedoms are the answer. Your right to vote is the number one answer. We have to start on the local level and really question who we are voting into office. I personally believe in the rights of the people not the government.

I got excited watching Americans getting involved and attending town hall meetings and questioning their elected representatives. Somehow that got overtaken by extremists, unions and community organizers. The tea party protesters gave me faith and now I see it being corrupted and sabotaged.

I understand the premise behind wire-taps and such, but I have also watched in fear as it snowballs down a slippery slope of abuse.

This may be a stupid example, but I love to watch the reality police shows. I am amazed at how a person can be handcuffed and their vehicle and personal belongings searched without a search warrant and they haven't been read their rights or arrested. It is done for the safety of the police officer and the person being questioned they always say. I understand reasonable suspicion and all that. My husband laughs at me for my concern on something like this while watching Cops and says these are crack-heads and hookers.

Did you hear about the case in Pennsylvania where students were given computers to take home? A lawsuit is now alleging that the school administration "spied" on students in their homes.

http://jonathanturley.org/2010/02/20...dents-at-home/

I don't mind going through security at airports. I actually had the magic number at Logan recently and had to undergo the more intense search. I didn't mind one bit. I'm not complaining, but somewhere we've lost common sense in the minorities pleas of political correctness.

Somewhere our compass has been misdirected and we've lost our standards.

Amen!

And what if it was YOUR INNOCENT FAMILY MEMBER who was imprisoned for 7 years or more for being a SUSPECT? What if YOU are the one who had their business assets seized without a warrant? What happens when it's YOUR ox being gored? What happens when YOU get tarred and feathered because of something an acquaintance does that you had no idea about?

This is EXACTLY what I mean about cherry-picking the Constitution I'll QUOTE it FOR you since you seem to have a hole in your memory where the ENTIRE FOURTH AMMENDMENT BELONGS:

There is no "unless we don't feel like issuing a warrant" in there. This is why they're no longer allowed to seize your house or boat just because a guest of yours might have had marijuana in their possession while under your roof! (Remember THAT wonderful little controversy from the 1980s?)

You complain (justifiably) about Obama trampling the Constitution to provide health care but you give a pass to THIS? Outrageous!

"A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both and deserve neither" - Thomas Jefferson. [Side note - Red State Texas decided to eliminate Thomas Jefferson from the curriculum, apparently because of his anti-organized-Christianity quotes from back then]

DJPLONG....I honestly dont mean this to be antagonist in anyway but reading your comment about those INNOCENT folks detained at GTMO.....this is a honest legitimate question....have any of those released by this administration be proven to be innocent ?

I know there are documented cases of folks going back to Jihad activities after being released, but wondering about the few who this administration released. We always here about INNOCENTS being held and always related to GTMO...dont know of anywhere else that happened.

Just curious if you know of any "INNOCENTS"

Thanks

djplong, I don't think your "Side note - Red State Texas decided to eliminate Thomas Jefferson from the curriculum, apparently because of his anti-organized-Christianity quotes from back then" is correct. The board, rightly or wrongly, decided to take Jefferson out of the "world history section devoted to great political thinkers."

Jefferson is still in the American history standards. The argument on the world history side had to do with the writings of The Enlightenment Movement not being the only influence in European uprisings at that time in history.


http://www.aolnews.com/nation/articl...ndard/19397481

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If this is your response to me I am totally lost. Are you sure you read my post. I doubt it very much so lets forget it.

The funny thing about the supposed "n-word calling" that not one of the hundreds of cell phone videos or dozens of media cameras were able to record, and alleged intentional "spitting incident" is that I would bet my last dollar, if Obama will leave me that one dollar, that those congressmen walking through a crowd of protesters were looking to be assaulted to blacken the eyes of the "tea party" with the video of this wished for assault playing over and over and over again ala Rodney King. Well guess what? It didn't happen. All we have is an image of a black congressman pointing and yelling into the crowd; actually intentionally trying to escalate the tensions and got nothing for his attempt to inflame the crowd but his word that someone called him a bad name.
Imagine, if you will, Bush or his entourage trying to walk through the crowd at the G-8 summit and tell me if you think those rioting, molotov throwing, rock throwing crowd of progressive leftists would have only called him a bad name. The hypocrisy of the left is laughable.

I'll take these in order.

Yeah, I used to watch COPS every week. But read that 4th Ammendment again. "unreasonable" search and seizure. "Probable cause". The courts have defined this to be anything that is in plain sight, for starters. And if you're arresting someone, you're allowed to go through their pockets. But if you want to go into their house, unless you have reason to believe life and limb is in danger or a felony is being committed, you need a warrant. Again, reasonable definitions. What galled me about the 'warrantless wiretaps' was that the argument was "what if we don't have time to get a warrant" - ignoring the fact that FISA courts were set up for EXACTLY that reason - so you COULD get a warrant after the fact. That bends, but doesn't quite (IMO) break the 4th Ammendment.

Yes, I heard about the PA case. I'm guessing some dork-witted I.T. dipstick thought it would be cool to see what he or she could do - and got caught. If this turns out to be what it seems, I want to see the people responsible prosecuted. ...and if it was in a kid's bedroom, throw some child pornography charges at them. Put the fear of the courts into ANYONE that thinks they can get away with crap like that.

As far as airport security.. Well, I wouldn't mind it so much if it actually was effective. I mean, how far have we come from Richard Reid to last Christmas? Once again a terrorist smuggled something on a plane, tried to ignite it and was subdued BY THE PASSENGERS. Once again we find that relying solely on technology is NOT the answer. Once again, it's HUMAN BEINGS that make the difference. But, strangely enough, in spite of these proofs, we still have long security lines that move at a glacial pace and we still have to take our shoes off.

It's THEATER, not security.

Hey, I ask honest questions that sound antagonistic all the time - that's why I try to preface them.

But to answer your question, a few seconds with Google found this:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/0...-innocent.html

Thanks for the link to that article !!!

I understand what he says totally, but still believe that the constant reference to GTMO and the innocent is a bit over done. I am sure that my political bias is shown there, but IF we are in a war...better to do what they did..and be careful in undoing it !

Maybe you should read this:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...e_tea_par.html

Another good post Donna, and not just because it reenforces my earlier deductive post, which no one tried to dispute. This was a deliberate attempt by the progressive libs to "Rodney King" the Tea Party movement and it didn't work because we are not them

Thanks Richie,

The Tea Party is not going away. We'll be at the polls in November, much to the Lamestream Media's chagrin.

It would be interesting to hear what COLGAL and others who are quick to come on here and preach the hate think about this.....

"After 14 months of committing 100% to health care reform, the day after the signing of the Health Care bill was to mark the Democratic Party’s new primary concern: destroy the uprising, annihilate by all means necessary, the Tea Party movement.

The first sign that a plan was in place was the ham-fisted, high-camp posturing of the most controversial members of the Democratic caucus walking through the peaceful but animated “Tea Party” demonstrators on Capitol Hill. There is no reason for these elected officials to walk above ground through the media circus amid their ideological foes. The natural route is the tunnels between the House office buildings and the Capitol. By crafting a highly symbolic walk of the Congressional Black Caucus through the majority white crowd, the Democratic Party was looking to provoke a negative reaction. They didn’t get it. So they made it up.

This expose by Andrew Breitbart is complete with videos and FACTS to dispel the incident first exposed on here by COLGAL ...

This is an example of things that DO NOT HAPPEN being reported by a media that does not even check facts. And then, as this has been disproved, you never hear another word from anybody...no apologies...no statements...just silence.

http://bigjournalism.com/abreitbart/...truct-america/