Posted by Guest (Post 211118)

...you've got Oliver North writing about how lacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime...Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs...

Posted by Guest (Post 211118)

To paraphase Bill Clinton, "It's the hypocrisy, stupid." When the mighty eet themselves up as morally "superior" to the rest of us, or to their colleagues (as Senator Ensign or Gov. Sanford have), then they should suffer the consequences of their own actions. Republicans, or rather anti-anything that isn't "conservative, keep throwing stones with glee. That's the real problem!

Democratic governor NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer campagined on moral decency- got caught with whores & promptly resigned.

Other Dems have not been so self-righteous, so the backlash aginst them as been "eh" at the worst, except for Newt's clintonian witch hunt.

Recently though, you've got Oliver North writing about howlacking in morality Obama is because he won't voice support the popular uprising in Iran. This is from the man who sold Iran 1,000 hand held missiles to the Iranian Extremist regime.

Rush- railing aginst drug addicts- whicle misusing or even dealing- large quantities of illegally prescribed drugs.

Then there's: Foley, Vittner, Ensign, Sanford, Newt, Haggard, Swaggart, Guliani, Chesworth, Bunn Bolton, Barr...Etc.

It's not that Dems. don't do the same thing, it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."

Posted by Guest (Post 211080)

Absolutley correct, Steve. A couple of anecdotes from Katrina...

-- Our former Congressman in Illinois, Mark Kirk, is also a Captain in the USNR and was on duty at the Pentagon as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Whatever unit or office he was with had something to do with the federal response. He told me that they sat for hours, asking themselves why th Mayor or the Governor were taking so long to make the evacuation mandatory, open all six lanes of the interstate to outbound traffic, or request federal or military assistance. The people in the Pentagon couldn't tell them what to do; in fact he said that they couldn't even get thru to them on their cell phones. Rather they had to wait until they were asked for help--and it was days before they ever got a request from the locals. He described Mayor Nagin as "one of the most incompetent public officials" he'd ever encountered.

-- A group of EMS technicians from the South Bend, Indiana area, recognizing that they would be needed, loaded up four fire trucks with first aid equipment, water, food, etc. and headed for New Orleans. When they got there, they were not permitted to enter the city. The local police and fire department told them that everything was under control and that they weren't needed. After four days of sitting outside of town, they turned around and headed back to South Bend.

-- A group of doctors and nurses from the Pacific Northwest loaded up lots of medical supplies and flew to New Orleans at their own expense. On their arrival, they were told that they couldn't practice medicine in Louisiana until they had obtained the proper state licenses. No one volunteered to assist them in getting the necessary documentation, so after five days they headed back to Seattle, never having treated even one person.

-- The Lake County Illinois police helicopter detachment took off with three helicopters, pilots, mechanics and EMS personnel just as Katrina was hitting New Orleans. Many of the rescues that you saw on TV were performed by this group. They reported flying the 'copters almost 24 hours a days for three days and rescued almost 1,000 people. When asked a few weeks later how they were able to get involved in the rescue effort when so many other volunteers were turned away they answered, "We never asked anyone. We just flew in and began picking people up."

Posted by Guest (Post 211124)

This post and the one that follows it agreeing with it in totality is, in my opinion, what is wrong with politics today and for the last 10/12 years !

It is all about PARTY....everything that happens revolves to folks who think this way around the PARTY !

How anyone can generalize like this...."it's that Dems. don't throw the stones or act or self-righteous about "God-fearing family values."...is something that I cannot understand. You are talking about what party is shown on their registration card and condemning/praising is such HUGE generalities.

And while I am at it...allow me to agree with VK....quoting folks who are without any doubt, with no arguing.....ENTERTAINERS and not representative of any party...does not make sense. When I hear Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Mahar, Keith Olberman, etc quoted I just cringe. WHY listen to thiese folks....YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR !!!!

Posted by Guest (Post 211131)

Agree!

When "the party" replaces individual thought with lemming-like following, we're in deep trouble - and it's happening. Are we so desperate to "belong," that we will follow "the party" over the cliff?

What's worse is that as we as a society attempt to set aside prejudice and bias due to race, creed, color, religion and gender, there seems to be a trend to project all that built-up prejudice and bias toward "the other party."

Rather than "follow the party" no matter what, a little more "follow your conscience" may be in order.

Posted by Guest (Post 211137)

It appears the human brain/psyche, in some people, responds to "falling in love/lust" the same way it responds to cocaine: you know it's wrong, you keep going back for another hit, in the process you destroy your career, your health, your family, your credibility and your finances...

Posted by Guest (Post 211144)

Very good observation. It happened to one of my brothers in the early 90's. He lost his marriage, money, job and even his transportation due to lust/cocaine. He finally recovered and is doing real good today. He is a real good man..but just lost his way for awhile. I am very proud of him today.

Posted by Guest (Post 211176)

It's called recovery... good for him!

May I recommend a wonderful book on this topic of affairs and infidelity: The title is "Private Lies" The betrayal of intimacy. By Frank Pittman, MD

It is a riviting read by one of the worlds experts on infidelity. He did a follow-up book called , "Grow-Up" which essentially addresses one of the core issues behind affairs (and actually behind so much of what we've seen in our financial institutions). That issue is: as a child we learned what pleasure was and what made us 'feel good' and we wanted it then, right away, no exceptions. Adults continue to want pleasure, what 'feels good', want it right away.... BUT.... when we GROW UP... we learn to say to ourselves, "I really want that, it would feel sooooo good, I really need that BUT I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT, I CAN LIVE WITH OUT IT .... SO, NO, I AM GOING TO WALK AWAY FROM IT." The Gov needed a good friend to grab him by the lapels, put his back against a wall and say GROW UP. Too late now.