And Osama Bin Laden was not determined to attack the US.

It was Clinton who had no concern about Bin Laden .

How does your comment follow from the post that you quoted .

My feeble mind is unable to connect the dots so please help me .

Assuming you are a senior it must be a terrible life for you living in fear of the government ruining Medicare and Social Security. At my age I'm enjoying what is left. Fear and greed, that's how they get you to go along with whatever their agenda is.

One of two things; either you don't have a pre-existing condition or you can afford $10,000 per month to be in a high risk pool.

" Their agenda " ? Who are the people you are referring to ?

Are you listening too closely to your " Elf on a Shelf " again this season ?

What hell is this idiot trying to say ?? I am with you and think this poster is rowing his boat with only one oar.

Where in god's name do you get these insane ideas?
Republicans want to end Medicare and Medicaid?

Privatizing social security may not be a bad idea seeing as how congress borrowed trillions for it and never paid it back.

I disagree with privatizing the VA however. The VA should just be demolished. Just give our veterans top notch medical coverage and let them go to the doctors and hospitals of their choice. It would be a lot cheaper and the quality of care would be a lot better than that bungled bureaucracy.

It's becoming obvious even to those on the left that Obamacare is not working. Premiums have increased by 125% in some states. It can never work and I don't think it was ever meant to work. IMHO it was a first step to single payer, government, cradle to the grave healthcare.

It is in the air, I just have a hunch the Medicaire/Medicaire privatization may happen even before ACA goes down

"President-elect Donald Trump's selection of Rep. Tom Price to head the Department of Health and Human Services signals that the new administration is all-in on both efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act and restructure Medicare and Medicaid.

Price, a Georgia Republican who currently chairs the House Budget Committee, was among the first to suggest that not just the ACA but also Medicare are on the near-term agenda for newly empowered Republicans.


Privatizing the Medicare program for seniors and disabled people and turning the Medicaid program for the poor back to the states are long-time goals for Republicans in Congress and the White House. They say the moves could help put the brakes on health spending. Opponents argue, however, that both changes are aimed instead at shifting the financial burden of health care from the federal budget to states and individuals."

Access Denied

Just noticed my link say "access denied"... don't get it, but it is US News and World Report on the Price appointment

On the VA, does not Trump want to simply ADD private care as a choice to existing centers ?

Beats listening to the sky is falling.

The sky IS falling...due to the growing minority majority. We've gone from #1 to #25.

Anyway, back to the thread subject.

I want to thank all ten or twelve of the libtards that demonstrated to get the Electors to change their vote. The Electors did change their votes and gave Hillary a final tally less than what the count was on election day. So, you all were convincing and it was not a waste of time. Trump thanks you.

Do you still have relatives in MA? Are any of them enrolled in Romneycare (the model for Obamacare). This health care insurance has been in place since 2004, passed when Mitt Romney was governor. It covers 100% of children, 90% of adults and has an approval rating of 85%. All these people will lose their decade old insurance when Obamacare is repealed.

Insurance companies will be able to drop customers if/when they get sick. They will be able to deny coverage to anyone with a pre-existing condition. Anybody using prescription drugs will have to contend with the doughnut hole. Gone are all the diagnostic tests which currently have no co-pays.

Obamacare benefits Medicare enrollees as much as it benefits the 22 million ACA enrollees.





Thanks for the link. This was another big lie by Trump. He said over and over (sometimes three times a day) that he would not touch the social safety net covering millions of people. Could some of them be his own voters?

But in less than two weeks after winning the election, he selects Rep Tom Price, MD (R-GA) as his sec of HHS. This is the same guy who thinks women should be fired from their jobs if they use birth control. Can anyone explain the logic behind that?

As with any post showing how Trump outlandishly lied to all his followers, there will be replies about Clinton and/or race to follow.

He lied so much and these folks still buy into what he is selling. He is a good salesman, and we complain about the landscapers promising and then walking away !

"So what would happen if Ryan got his wish and Medicare became privatized? Rather than having the federal government cover seniors' medical costs, as Medicare currently works, the federal government would supply seniors with federal subsidies that would help them purchase private insurance.

It's a system that Ryan says would fix the "serious problems" introduced by the Affordable Care Act — but according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, Obama's healthcare reform actually improved Medicare's finances, and the program is further from bankruptcy than its ever been."

What Does Privatizing Medicare Mean? It Could Have A Significant Impact On Coverage

"Privatization of Medicare means changing Medicare from a guaranteed benefits program for seniors into a premium assistance program: a voucher or coupon an individual uses to buy insurance on the open market. The coupon has a fixed value – there’s no guarantee a person can get the level of coverage they need, nor the monthly premiums or deductibles that are affordable on a fixed income. A $500 coupon is useless if the product the person needs to buy costs $5000 a month."

Privatized Medicare means there would no longer be a guarantee that senior citizens have health insurance coverage for hospital visits (Medicare Part A that usually has no monthly premium). It also means higher costs for doctor visits and prescription drugs (Medicare Parts B and D, both of which already require monthly premiums for most retirees). Increases would happen because privatizing Medicare shifts the negotiating power away from the government and onto the individual against the open market. All retirees on Medicare are basically a giant insurance “group”, and the government uses those millions of members as leverage when negotiating rates. Privatizing puts you – alone – against the insurance companies; buying your own private health insurance policy."

What Does Privatization of Medicare and Social Security Mean?

This should be of great concern to anyone living here, and not being an insurance expert by any stretch of the imagination, anyone with a background, please jump in and either reinforce the fears or reduce them with your expertise.

A but more on this Medicaire plan. Trying to read as much as possible on Ryans plan, which it appears the President elect now endorses

"On the campaign trail, President-elect Donald Trump promised not to touch Medicare or Social Security, but Trump's selection of Tom Leppert to lead the "landing team" at the Social Security Administration may suggest Trump's administration could move in a different direction."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...on-of-medicare


This is speaking of the Ryan plan and if I recall the President elect said in a general way that he endorses all his plans...

"He calls his plan, unveiled in June, “A Better Way.” Key elements include raising the age of eligibility from 65 to 67; merging Medicare Part A and B, including the premiums and deductibles; and gradually privatizing the system with government-issued vouchers or “premium supports” to defray the cost of insurance policies purchased by seniors on the open market."

One Expert Says Seniors Would Lose with Ryan’s Medicare Plan | The Fiscal Times

""Drain the swamp" was a refrain of Donald Trump during the presidential campaign, but Newt Gingrich says the president-elect "doesn't want to use it anymore" now that he's knee-deep in alligators.

"I'm told he now just disclaims that. He now says it was cute, but he doesn't want to use it anymore," Gingrich, who informally advises Trump, said Wednesday on NPR's "Morning Edition."


Gingrich: Trump dropping 'drain the swamp' - CNNPolitics.com

Trump voters didn’t take him literally on Obamacare. Oops? - The Washington Post


This opinion column says that 30 million people could lose their health care with no replacement. The largest demographic involved is Trump voters, who say they took Trump's threat figuratively, not literally. Oops.

Trump voters ----you should be careful what you wish for. Seriously, what did you expect from a billionaire who four times filed bankruptcy and "screwed" his investors---you were going to believe a guy with as little intregity as that? Fortunately, there are checks and balances built into our form of government. It's going to be a train wreck but somebody will come along and put the train back on the track. But....I'm afraid it's going to be a long four years.

The REST of the politicians are all lawyers...and they're WORSE!

Remember all the protestors when the electors met to vote on Obama? Of course not, cause it never happened. Obama beat Mitt Romney by five million votes.

Remember when Obama spent months after he won chastising John McCain and Mitt Romney? Again it never happened.

"President-elect Donald Trump's Cabinet picks have a net worth greater than the world's 70 smallest countries, The Boston Globe reported Wednesday."

Trump Cabinet's net worth greater than the world's 70 smallest countries | TheHill

The swamp is full...meet the new boss...same as the old boss...same as it ever was.

How many ways can you say...you've been had? He's no rogue...he's one of them. If the EC elects him, he's a "made man"...that's what the EC does, it ensures that "they" remain in control. NOBODY voted for Trump...they ALL voted for an elector who's vote is the ONLY vote to count. The Ds had their electors, the Rs their own. Trump got more.

And your choice would have been? Being realistic, of course.

ANYONE but a D or R. Because ANYONE from either party WILL screw us some more. Hillary would have screwed us...Trump will screw us...give him time.

A 3rd party winner would have caused gridlock...about the best thing that could have happened. Nothing happening for 4 years.

I'd rather have your cat as president than a known corrupt crook and that IS what we're getting. Another corrupt politician. Trump may not have run for office...but he's a politician.

I think that's why a lot of people voted from Trump. He may have an R after his name, but the party did not embrace him and he fought with the party. Once he won, they had no choice but to accept him. But, I don't see him towing the party line. He is someone from outside of politics and I think that a lot of people are tired of career politicians. We need to get back to the citizen government that the founders intended this to be and Trump is the first step. Now if we can only get term limits for congress we really be on our way.

Excellent point.

So, once again you have no answer. Anyone would be someone. Everyone that runs for office has a D or R, or I next to their name. Wake up and learn how to cope with the real world and work WITH the system and tools available instead of trying to re-write the rules. All you do is complain, with absolutely NO solution. Your answer of "any but" is not a solution or an answer. It is a complaint. Leave the bit*hing to the women.

They voted for him for those reasons...but that's not what they got. They got...meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Trump will borrow and spend like all the rest. It's the "whole system" that is corrupt. The entire political system, the D and R parties, the whole thing.

IF you REALLY want to get back to "citizen governance", you MUST start at the bottom and never vote for a D or R because they're from the corrupt parties. Vote for a CITIZEN, an independent. At the town level, no Ds or Rs, only Is. At the state level...no Ds or Rs, only Is. At the national level, no more D or R Congressmen or Senators. No D or R judges. NO Ds or Rs period.

You guarantee corruption and theft if you elect them.

The FIRST step is to clean out at the town level and work yourself up. The president has a lot less power than you think. The real power lies behind the throne. Once Trump was elected and the EC blessed him, I knew the fix was in, the whole "rogue" thing was "reality TV", and Trump played his role masterfully.
He's "one of them" and he'll act accordingly. Look who his picks are...he'll borrow and spend like never before. Watch...


There you have it...the "I". THAT is who you vote for. ANYONE but a D or R is pretty straight forward...why did it take you this long to get it?

The "system" is corrupt. That's why no more Ds or Rs. They're ALL corrupt. At least you have a chance of a "good honest Mr Smith" when you choose the "I".

That is the most ludicrous statements of all the crap that comes out of your mouth. Vote the "I" ???? You have to be kidding. Vote for Gary the dope pusher/user? You have to be a pot head to even consider that guy. Gary has no clue of what day it is, let alone what is happening in the world.

Never mind, you satisfied my question. Please do not ever suggest "anyone but" again and then follow it up with the "I." You do know that Gary tried being an "R" right?

Well lady...Gary WASN'T an "I", he was an "L". YOU appear to have no clue what day it is...because of your xanax fix...from your local dope pusher pharmacy?

Again...oh clueless one with a huge opinion...Gary was NOT an "I".

BTW, he was the governor of a state...what are your credentials? If he'd been tough on Hispanics, I'd have probably voted for him. I'm more libertarian than anything else.

You'd rather have a guy who is lying to you from a party that lies to you? That's what you got...didn't matter which one, the D or the R...the result is the same...more freedoms lost and deeper into debt we go.

Question: WHY do you always insist that "I" tell YOU whom to vote for? Use your brain and decide for yourself.

Lady? No wonder @ssholes like you can't keep a partner. You don't know the difference in genders. You are an idiot, which makes me insanely patient to be able to even grant you a bit of my time.

No, I did not ask you who to vote for. I simply put you on the spot for your idiotic and meaningless statement to vote for someone else, other than a politician. Because ALL politicians lie and you know it. You made a fool of yourself, saying someone should vote for an "I." And "I" is just a failed "R" or "D" that got rejected by their party. That's why Gary the dope head is a loser. And now, just shut the F up and quit your bellyaching about life. Life doesn't suit you, we get it. All you have are complaints about everyone else, when the problem stares at you in the mirror. Do something about that and you will find out that the rest of the world may not be as bad as you picture it. So what if you had some bad breaks. No one sympathizes with you when you are an A$$.

When you have a solution to whatever your fantasy says is the problem with the world, come back and give us a hint. Because so far, you have said nothing for the past six months that I have been reading your cr@p.

OH, and an "L" by his name really gives him more credibility because that makes him even more liberal. A Liberal-tarian with a dope addiction. Just what someone like you would want to lead from behind.

Don't forget the pro-Trump march and rally on inauguration day. We will be marching along CR466, then up to the polo grounds where we will have a giant bonfire and burn our Medicare cards in support of Trump's plan to end this program. We hope to have 50,000 marchers.

Well, hopefully Trump won't take away your EBC Card.:D

Where did he say that he was going to end Medicare . I heard him say that he feels Medicare is working and is a good program .

He said this when he shared that Obama-Care should be reshaped to operate more like Medicare .

He said that Obama -care is too expensive for most households and due to it`s sky-high deductibles does not really work for anyone .
So please enlighten us with some factual information .

You simply do not know what you are saying
 

You are mindlessly HYSTERICAL. OR SHOULD THAT BE HILARYISTICAL.

First of all TRUMP is the president. GO GET YOURSELF SOME PLAY DOUGH AND A COLORING BOOK.

In the REAL WORLD-NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH OBAMALAND. Trump has stated that he will keep the part of Obamacare that insures pre-existing conditions. Besides
medicare covers pre-existing conditons.

YOU an uninformed LIBERAL, even under a rock have heard that OBAMA, who you surely voted for, added TEN TRILLION DOLLARS to the national debt.

I personally simply cannot comprehend what TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IS. In an attempt to understand what TEN TRILLION DOLLARS IS, it is freight trains full of hundred dollar bills.

We have been told that China is our biggest creditor-THAT IS YET ANOTHER LIE FROM OUR LIBERAL CONTROLLED PRESS AND FORMER PROGRESSIVE CONTROLLED GOVERNMENT. First of all we owe more to JAPAN then to CHINA. MORE IMPORTANT, together, Japan and China hold 20% of our national debt-SOCIAL SECURITY OWNS 42% OF THE NATIONAL DEBT.

I keep ASKING what did OBAMA BUY WITH MY/OUR TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. I've tried to look up an answer and all I find is doublespeak

:thumbup:

I keep ASKING what did OBAMA BUY WITH MY/OUR TEN TRILLION DOLLARS. I've tried to look up an answer and all I find is doublespeak .

He used the money to pay his self-defined International Reparations out of shame for the USA`s contributions to the World and to show disrespect for the nearly 600,000 American`s who gave their young lives in various wars since 1900 .

A big chunk of that 10 trillion went to pay for two unnecessary wars that George W Bush lied to get us into. And to pay for the same Bush's unpaid for Medicare Part D.

There it is folks, it's still Bush's fault. The left can never accept responsibility for it's failures. That's why the left will not accept that Hitlery LOST the election, AGAIN. Losers begat losers. Sorry folks, no participation awards for second place.

I understand that there was a 100% turnout for the Anti-Trump rally. All fifteen of the Villages libtards showed up. The largest showing for Hillary yet. One of Hillary's, actually Kaine's rallies had to be cancelled because no one showed, but not this one. Everyone turned out in support of the dead horse. Or, would it be sexist to call her the dead cow? CNM had a great time, waving her "Never Trump" sign at pedestrians. Some folks thought it was a LBGTQ rally and turned out in support in their clown outfits.

Unfortunately W Bush's debts will stay with us for decades.


It is interesting that neither Bush will be attending Trump's inauguration.