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Old 04-30-2011, 01:59 PM
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EAT those little words of whit! or something that sounds like that!



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The Repubs will never nominate Trump and I doubt he'll run 3rd party. I do think it will be fun to watch though, especially the debates.

No matter who runs, Barack I wasn't really born here Obama will never win reelection.
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Old 04-30-2011, 02:12 PM
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in being caught unaware when you thought a mic had been turned off, and a prepared speech where the word is used multiple times. Wouldn't you agree?
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Old 04-30-2011, 02:15 PM
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The Repubs will never nominate Trump and I doubt he'll run 3rd party. I do think it will be fun to watch though, especially the debates.

No matter who runs, Barack I wasn't really born here Obama will never win reelection.
Really.
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Old 04-30-2011, 04:34 PM
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The Repubs will never nominate Trump and I doubt he'll run 3rd party. I do think it will be fun to watch though, especially the debates....
If they get a halfway decent moderator for any debates in which Trump participates, it'll be fun to watch what happens when Trump tries to put down either the moderator or another candidate with his "...excuse me!" interruptions.
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Old 04-30-2011, 04:43 PM
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If he runs, you may be surprised how well he does. I think people are sick and tired of our government and sick and tired of getting screwed all the time. The Donald probably said out laud what a lot of people are thinking.

He's no conservative but at least he puts America first unlike Obama. Would he make a good President? Not sure we could do worse than what we have now but maybe America needs a business man in the oval office who kicks !@$ and take names for a few years.

Obama's never run a lemonade stand let alone an economy as large and complex as ours and it shows.
You'd better hope that Trump doesn't somehow get elected. If he could actually accomplish some of the things he's suggested--he couldn't of course, even our dysfunctional Congress isn't that stupid--the effect on our country would be disastrous. There's a huge difference between running a country and betting other people's money on the construction of buildings that if it dosen't work, Trump simply walks away and lets the guy whose money he borrowed take the hit. He wouldn't be able to declare bankruptcy or sell out if he was in the oval office.
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Old 04-30-2011, 05:59 PM
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in being caught unaware when you thought a mic had been turned off, and a prepared speech where the word is used multiple times. Wouldn't you agree?
One choose to use the words, speaking to a crowd who wanted to hear what he said. How he said it, though not something I like, is still better than a idiot who can't keep his foot out of his mouth. Hot mike or not.
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Old 04-30-2011, 06:50 PM
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Funny how Bugs repeatedly uses the term "Caribou Barbie" and no one says a word. I poke a little fun at Obama and the no one says a word crowd get's bent out of shape.

But yes, Obama has zero business experience. ZERO. He doesn't know any more about growing an economy and creating private sector jobs than my 4 year old grandson. He's the least qualified in any room he's standing.

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even our dysfunctional Congress isn't that stupid
I'll respectfully disagree with that statement. They are either just plain stupid or a bunch of self serving crooks. Maybe both.

But in the long run it doesn't matter who the GOP puts up. Everyone here knows they will get ripped to shreds while Obama gets a free pass no matter how bad he devastates our economy. Heck, they are already getting ripped to shreds and no one has even announced yet.

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I'd love to see you EAT those little words of whit! or something that sounds like that!
Saw a few comments like yours before the Nov elections too. Bring it on.
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Old 04-30-2011, 07:07 PM
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"...Even our dysfunctional Congress isn't that stupid..." (Villages Kahuna)

I'll respectfully disagree with that statement. They are either just plain stupid or a bunch of self serving crooks. Maybe both.
I don't know DK. What has Trump proposed? Only a few things that are so outrageous that they seem to sound good to people who don't think about things for too long.

Let's take just one--Trump proposes to tax all imports from China at a 25% rate.

If anyone with even an ounce of brains thinks about that for less than a minute, they can come up with some pretty disastrous effects here in the U.S. as the result of that proposal. Even a stupid and corrupt Congress can see that.

But the real question it raises is--would anyone be really comfortable with a guy in the oval office who makes such outrageous (and really stupid) proposals? Or a guy that makes such proposals while throwing the F-bomb around multiple times in a short stump speech?

I wonder what "base" Trump is trying to appeal to? Whatever base it is they'd better be prepared to send him a lot of money, because I can tell you from first hand experience that Donald Trump won't gamble one thin dime of his own money running for President!
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Old 04-30-2011, 07:56 PM
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would anyone be really comfortable with a guy in the oval office who makes such outrageous (and really stupid) proposals?
Apparently so, just look at our current President.

Look I'm not a Trump guy and I doubt seriously he would be the nominee. All I'm saying is he resonates with a lot of people because they are sick and tired of our current spineless politicians and there apologize for America agenda.

Trump is absolutely right when he says we are getting screwed. People want someone to stand up and say enough is enough. Trump does that.
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Old 04-30-2011, 10:22 PM
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...Trump is absolutely right when he says we are getting screwed. People want someone to stand up and say enough is enough. Trump does that.
...but by doing so--standing up and saying enough is enough--he demonstrating the old adage, "talk is cheap".

There isn't anything that Trump has said or suggested, as good as it may sound to people, that is either doable or something that would prove effective in resolving our current problems. It's going to take a whole lot more than talk by a blowhard prospective politician, regardless of how rich he is.

Unfortunately, we've reached the point that the problems we have can't be resolved without real sacrifice on the part of all of us. Things can't be "fixed" just because The Donald says we're getting screwed (suggesting that we aren't the root cause of our problems, that it's someone else).

Our fiscal problem can't be solved without dramatically cutting spending and probably raising taxes.

The price of gasoline won't go down until we figure out a way to stop using as much gas. Drilling more won't fix the problem. Canada knows that, they only use 2/3 of the oil they pump out of the ground and their gas is more expensive than ours.

How will The Donald solve the problems of our deteriorating education system, the back-breaking escalation in the price of healthcare, our illegal immigration problem, the fact that our big cities and states are bankrupt, the fact that the U.S. is no longer an attractive place for companies to manufacture things, the problem of our disappearing middle leaving only the very wealthy and the very poor, and so on?

He won't solve those problems by being the blowhard that he is. Many suggest that he'd do a better job than Barack Obama. I'm not so sure.

No, in fact I AM sure--he'd make things worse!
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Old 04-30-2011, 11:03 PM
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I do, indeed, believe Trump is right that the Chinese are laughing at us. We are funding their ability to dominate us with every "made in China" product we buy. Our markets are flooded with Chinese products because they are dirt cheap to import. Regardless how Trump's saying it, he's one of only very few in the political arena insisting that this tidal wave of imports be confronted more forcefully and more directly. I hope others, such as Chris Christie will run. I wish Marco Rubio would declare his candidacy for president. Straight talk is what a lot of us are looking for.

One of my favorite quotes is from Gerry Spence, the famous trial lawyer, he said, "Ah, the power of the honest, who will but tell us who they are and what they want." Furthermore, a Congressman during the recent budget debates said, "I'm tired of borrowing money from the Chinese to fund programs we don't need." I'll thoughtfully listen to whomever talks straight, makes sense, and clearly, deeply loves this country.
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:54 AM
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...I do, indeed, believe Trump is right that the Chinese are laughing at us. We are funding their ability to dominate us with every "made in China" product we buy. Our markets are flooded with Chinese products because they are dirt cheap to import. Regardless how Trump's saying it, he's one of only very few in the political arena insisting that this tidal wave of imports be confronted more forcefully and more directly....
The Chinese are laughing at us because we're the joke! We're the ones that can't or won't live within our means. We're the ones who are falling behind in education, in maintaining or improving our economic infrastructure, in economic development, in even trying to reduce our dependence on imported oil, etc.

We pay China enough in interest on what we owe them alone every day for them to afford to buy 3-1/2 F22 Raptor fighter jet planes.

Shouldn't they be laughing at us? Here are just a couple of headlines speaking to what our political leaders are working on...
Romney wants to ‘hang’ Obama with misery index

Bachmann wants omnibus Obama repeal

Government pledges help for illegal immigrant grads

Budget Fight Gets Symbolic in the Senate

Governor vows to block federal funds for Planned Parenthood
Is anyone in the U.S. Congress working on the real problems facing the country? Then you have The Donald barking about birth certificates and how the POTUS got into college. Then he comes up with the 25% import duty lunacy...and drops the F-bomb a bunch of times while explaining it to supporters. So you ask why the Chinese (and probably the rest of the world) is laughing at us?

I've said this before, but with regard to The Donald's proposed 25% tax on all imported Chinese goods, ask yourself what would happen when all the "made in China" products sold here were increased in proice by 25%? You don't really think WalMart is going to eat the price increases due to the new duty, do you?

A better question might be, what do you think would happen if the Chinese got PO'd at our new import duty and simply stopped buying our debt at the bi-weekly auctions by the Fed. Remember, we spent $39 for every $23 we receive in taxes. We borrow the rest, a whole lot of it from China. (By the way, forget about what they might do if they got mad. Think about how much of our debt they could afford to buy if we suddenly threw a rock in the gears of their economy with Trump's new import duty.)

Oh yeah, if the Donald did what he proposes, federal spending would be cut all right...big time and in a hurry. Not too much time for debate on how much Medicare and Social Security benefits would be cut. Or whether we'd keep soldiers and sailors in the Middle East (or anywhere else) for very long. Or how many of a myriad of government programs and services simply couldn't exist any more? The departments of Energy, Education, HUD, Homeland Security, and on and on.

And taxes? Do you think our Congress would give up all that spending without a fight? Without first raising taxes so the spending could continue?

Oh boy! If you want to have some real fun, elect The Donald. But hope and pray that he can't implement his lunatic ideas. But if you like what he says and think he'd make a good President...well, I feel sorry for us.
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Old 05-01-2011, 08:35 AM
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Products with Trump's label on them are MADE IN CHINA.

Trump was pro-choice.

Trump was pro-nationalized health-care.

Trump has managed to run more casinos into bankruptcy than anyone I've ever heard of. In fact, Trump makes it look like bankruptcy is, to him, considered a tool of growing a business (start company, borrow heavily to build company, declare bankruptcy to screw your creditors and keep assets, later, rinse, repeat)

Trump was in favor of a LOT of things that are anathema to the GOP and Tea Party members. That is, UNTIL he saw a void that he could fill. He changed his colors like a chameleon.
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Old 05-01-2011, 09:31 AM
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Products with Trump's label on them are MADE IN CHINA.

Trump was pro-choice.

Trump was pro-nationalized health-care.

Trump has managed to run more casinos into bankruptcy than anyone I've ever heard of. In fact, Trump makes it look like bankruptcy is, to him, considered a tool of growing a business (start company, borrow heavily to build company, declare bankruptcy to screw your creditors and keep assets, later, rinse, repeat)

Trump was in favor of a LOT of things that are anathema to the GOP and Tea Party members. That is, UNTIL he saw a void that he could fill. He changed his colors like a chameleon.
Of course you're right in your description of the person who is Donald Trump, in my opinion. The question that is most interesting to me, though, is why is he resonating with so many people right now?

The answer, I believe, is he's speaking to the frustration and anger and fear of the future of our country and our way of life in a manner that so many have been yearning for.

There are only a few politicians on the scene right now who come close, but don't have Trump's megaphone or don't choose to jump in the pool at this time. The two that come to mind is the fearless conservatism displayed by Florida Rep. Alan West and the unflinching fiscal leadership qualities of N.J. Governor Chris Christie.

Trump, right now, is the only potential presidential aspirant who is basically telling the people he will dive into the mess we're in and fix what's wrong come hell or high water. Everyone is getting tired of hearing that we have to compromise and negotiate and find some middle ground in order to get even tiny changes made.

People want action and Trump is the only one on the scene right now promising that. There's a lot to learn from this.
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Old 05-01-2011, 09:40 AM
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Do the Republicans forget the time Ronnie Reagan thought the microphone was off and said 'We will begin bombing Russia in 15 minutes!"?

Definitely a big gaffe.

Well, his Alzheimer's was getting worse at that time. You really can't blame Ronnie for anything he did in his second term. Nancy and her crystal ball reader were really leading the country in his second term.
 

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