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Posted by Guest (Post 521807)

This is all a total hoax and a complete lie by a President who is in desperate straits and is losing ground swiftly in honest polling. It's a sad thing for the Obama campaign to be doing this. But, we are talking about this instead of the extremely weak economy that's only getting worse with every day.

This will blow up in Obama's face. I only wonder why they pulled the trigger on this "kill shot" so early.

The telling part in the video is at the 2:30 mark. Listen to this pretty fair CNN report to put this nonsense to rest.

CNN's King/Gergen: Obama's Lying, Romney/Bain Honest - YouTube

CNN: Obama Camp's Bain Push 'Doesn't Appear To Be True'

This from the Fortune magazine I quoted when responding to VK (who feels "it appears" that Romney violated federal security law)

""All of this could prove problematic for the Obama campaign, which has spent the day crowing over the Globe story (going so far as to hold a media call about it)."

I hope that fairness rules and this man, Obama, is shown for what he is...a politician of the highest aptitude with the lowest aptitude for solving problems, leading or being and staying honest.

I can never remember being this angry, which means nothing I know, not even in 2007/8 when I saw this coming. PLEASE Romney build on this and allow them to attack the man Obama...as he has attacked you on a personal level. Being called a liar or a felon is pretty serious stuff, and again if proven to be true I will be on here announcing it, HOWEVER so many folks have looked at this issue from so many ways over the last month, not just the last few days.

Romney is right...President Obama you should be ashamed of yourself. And those who support this kind of crap instead of talking about the problems in this country should be ashamed of themself. This is not hardball politics...this is character ruination !

This is Obama's MO. Destroy your opponent. In every election from the time he ran for Illinois state senator he has run his campaigns this way. The Chiago Sun-times, a Democrat paper, released a transcript of his 2008 "closing argument" spech. He said, "If you can't beat your opponent's ideas, you distort those ideas and maybe make some up."

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Posted by Guest (Post 521820)

Since this has been President Obama's MO since way back then, Mitt Romney should have seen it coming and been better prepared. Romney could put this all behind him by just releasing all his tax returns, as several republican governors have recommended, including Haley Barbour and Gov Bentley (R-AL).

http://thinkprogress.org/election/20...e-tax-returns/

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Posted by Guest (Post 521820)

He has been this way his entire life. He did it and learned it well in Chicago in his days as an organizer. He is good at it, for sure. In my opinion this charge on a decent man is going to be his downfall. He is doing the class warfare thing (see the rich man..he bad)...he is really gone to a new low here.

I believe all the news that has come out about Mitt Romney and Bain Capital this past month has been reported by different news outlets including: Boston Globe, Washington Post, Mother Jones, and others. Of course, the Obama campaign is going to run with it. It's up to Romney to dispute it and put it to rest.

This investigation of Bain's workings is just getting started. Expect it to continue right up until the election. As I said earlier, David Corn, of Mother Jones, said he's seen and heard enough to keep 100 reporters busy right up until election day.

As James Carville said today on TV, "When your opponent is drowning, throw him an anvil".
Or as Mitt Romney would say, "What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander".

as opposed to the likes of Eric Holder, when drowning he gets a free pass...

biased optics and double standard once again.

btk

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Posted by Guest (Post 521820)

More specifically it has been David Axelrod's method for a number of years as a method utilized when handling the campaigns of the candidates he worked for. Wall Street journal did an article on this about a year or so ago but I simply can't remeber the candidates other than Obama. having said that Axelrod was Obama's choice

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Posted by Guest (Post 521758)

No federal crime but you say "it appears as though he may have violated federal securities laws " I suppose that comes from the postings on here because the only folks I know who are saying this is ONE Boston Newspaper and the Obama campaign. All the others simply quote the initial attack and that is it.

Allow me to say a few thing please....first I wish that you and others had payed as much attention in 2008 to charges made and dismissed with comments such as "so what", etc. But not going to dwell on that as that is in the past but I think will become relative later.

Now, in one of your links is a link to Fortune magazine. I hope that everyone who reads this post will read the link as I dont want to cut and paste it all.....

"Mitt Romney did not manage Bain Capital's investments after leaving to run the Salt Lake City Olympic Games, according to confidential firm documents obtained by Fortune.

The timing of Romney's departure from Bain became a lightning rod earlier today, when The Boston Globe published an article suggesting that Romney remained actively involved with the firm longer than he and his campaign have claimed. The sourcing is largely SEC documents that list Romney as Bain Capital's CEO and sole shareholder through 2002 -- or three years after Romney officially left to run the Salt Lake City Olympic Games.

These claims are very similar to ones made last week by David Corn in Mother Jones, which we disputed at the time.

Now Fortune has obtained new evidence that supports Romney's version of events."

It goes on to list all the forms and the FACTS surrounding the situation.

There is a lot of info in the article but want to share two things with you...
First is a response from the Obama team when given the Fortune facts..

""Mitt Romney either misled the American people or misrepresented himself to the SEC. Romney has said he had no authority or responsibility for managing Bain since 1999, but that has been proven false. Regardless of whether he was on the management committee for this particular deal, he remained President, CEO, and Chairman of the Board and he was legally responsible for every investment and decision made by Bain."

You and I both know that, and I will borrow from one of the comments given to Fortune..

"It is all about a simple legal and practical distinction: Active management vs. passive control. Before 1999, Romney was involved in management and afterwards, he was in a passive, controlling position. Board memberships or even signature CEO activities are a far cry from active management."

Documents: Romney didn't manage Bain funds - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blog Term Sheet

The other sentence I want to share is this..

"All of this could prove problematic for the Obama campaign, which has spent the day crowing over the Globe story (going so far as to hold a media call about it)."

I am not blindly supporting Romney here......if he did wrong let the chips fall where they may....what I am saying is that the Obama campaign has done a great job keeping any discussion from issues and are doing a great job with their aim to, as they have said, "destroy Romney the man". They have you and others just panting for the destruction...much as I suppose I did back in 2008 when you told me "no problem" and the media treated everything as such. Although then, my problem was NOT with the man but with the philosophy.

Again, your post left me very disappointed but if correct...kudos to you. But there is so many refutes to this story and I choose to go with them and if it is a lie as I think it is, then shame on Obama

if Romney in fact had left Bain Capital as he has said and as Fortune has reported, by continuing to file SEC filings indicating that he continued to serve as "sole shareholder, chairman, president, etc.", a violation of the federal securities laws has occurred. Period!

The SEC rules are designed so that any stakeholder in a company--shareholder, employee, investor, lender, etc. can rely on the information in the filings, both the information as to who's running the company, as well as the required audited financial statements. The SEC documents are supposed to be unassailable sources of reliable information. Information on who's managing the company, makng business decisions, etc. is important information. That's why the penalties for violations are so harsh.

If you want my guess, when it's all over, either the SEC or the Justice Department will choose not to prosecute Romney. Or he will admit to having been involved with Bain well into 2002. Or they will find a fall guy, like a chef financial officer or general counsel, who were involved in preparing the filings, letting Romney off the hook with a simple mea culpa. Or all three.

That will be a tacit admission that he lied in describing his role with Bain after 1999. A simple politically-motivated lie will blow over a lot faster than a federal trial for securities law violations. That's unless there's someone out there who simply refuses to forget any lies told by political candidates. Sound familiar??

Remember, Martha Stewart spent almost a year in the federal slammer for less important and less well-proven violations than this one.

What does any of this have to do with the shape we are all in as a country ?Do one of you on the far left even care?

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Posted by Guest (Post 522018)

What does any of this have to do with the shape we are all in as a country ?Do one of you on the far left even care?

As I said earlier in this thread--a couple times actually--whether Romney was or wasn't involved at Bain after 1999 doesn't impact on his qualifications to be POTUS one iota.

I just wish to heck he'd say, "...yeah I was boss when XYZ Company went bankrupt; we tried like heck to save it, but couldn't". Or, "yeah, I was boss when ABC Company relocated factories overseas. We found we could increase profits and the value of our investment far faster doing that than struggling to find enough skilled workers who would work as hard as those overseas here in the U.S."

I wsh he'd say, "...that's capitalism, folks, and if you elect me, I'll try like the dickens to make sure that conditions are such in the U.S. that we can compete with overseas companies."

Janmcn.. I guess what you are saying is that it is okay for Obama to lie and distort facts. It's Romney's fault because he wasn't prepared for them?

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Posted by Guest (Post 521838)

It's interesting to see how different people view the campaign tactics of the two candidates. Obama's "MO" is to destroy a good man, class warfare, etc. But Romney's campaign ads and stump speeches are different? His campaign is taking the "higher road", attempting to focus on the real issues? Really?

I'm certainly not defending the campaign tactics of the president, but are you really of the belief that Romney's negative campaigning and attack ads are any different? In my opinion, they're both the same. The campaign strategists, advertising people and speech writers are all the same. They're interchangeable between candidates and even between parties. They know what works and they manage their candidates very well. They are paid very well for what they do, what they get the candidates to say and do.

Actually, they manage he electorate very well. They keep the focus on the incidents and events which are meaningless to the real issues, but that they know will incense their targeted audience. Both the media and the electorate fall for it every time. Shame on us.

VK I asked and answered the same thing on post #8 and then expanded it on post #20, #42 #50 and #67.

In fact I e-mailed Marco Rubio explaining that these distractions are meaningless and interfering with the task at hand and that is electing the most qualified leader. The art of distraction is as old as mankind and began when Eve offered Adam an apple to keep him from going fishing again.

To put it another way as a golfer i don't want to beat my opponent because he is playing bad, but because I am playing good.

This negative campaigning that has no bearing on an election has the makeup of weak and unethical people.

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Posted by Guest (Post 522076)

Attack ads pertaining to the issues is one thing....calling a man either a felon or a liar is another.

Also the media pays attention ONLY to the attacks on Romney...dont you get out and read at all ?

The president is attacked on JOBS...he attacks the man and calls him a felon.....lets talk about JOBS ok......that has been the intent all along. You people on the left always want to make it someone else's fault.....make everyone feel guilty.

One newspaper in Boston makes a claim with no basis except what they might think and you and others instantly label Romney.

partisan pandering requires as much thought as sharks and fish reacting to chum thrown on the water......none required....just react!!!

btk