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Guest 11-19-2011 03:17 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 420016)
Richie:

I think I'm a bit confused. Triple the debt? I don't think so. Even 'triple the deficit' isn't accurate. Going to the OMB for the following numbers:

Bush's last budget year was FY 2009 (which started 10/1/2008). The deficit for that year was $1.4 Trillion.

Obama's deficits are: FY 2010 - $1.2T, FY 2011 est $1.6T, FY 2012 (which started last month) $1.1T

Looking at the public debt itself.. The amount of debt on the last day of the fiscal years:

Clinton's last - FY 2000: $5.6T
Bush's last 1st term - FY 2004: $7.3T
Bush's last 2nd term - FY 2008: $10T, and it was $11.9T by the end of FY2009 (Bush's last budget plus remember the off-budget stimulus package and bailouts that were started under Bush's term)
By 9/30/2010 it's at $13.5T.

Sorry, Richie, you're wrong on both counts. Obama neither tripled the deficit, nor the debt. Even at $1T/year it would take Obama more time than he can Constitutionally BE President to triple the debt.

Are you referring to some other numbers I'm not aware of?

You don't know what you're talking about. Quit trusting the main stream media. They're the Obama Re-election Team.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/28/...t-in-pictures/

Guest 11-19-2011 06:29 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 420022)
You don't know what you're talking about. Quit trusting the main stream media. They're the Obama Re-election Team.

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/08/28/...t-in-pictures/

I tend to agree with that assessment.

Guest 11-20-2011 12:03 AM

I looked at the Heritage Foundation link. A conservative organization that supports conservative viewpoints. How surprising.

Guest 11-20-2011 09:56 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 419780)
Jeb Hensarling (R., Texas), co-head of the supercommittee said, "We have 12 good people who have worked hard since this committee has been created to try to find sufficient common ground."

What B.S.! Twelve ideologues unwilling to give an inch for the good of the country.

I think this super committee is about as dumb an idea as Washington has come up with in my lifetime - NEWT

Guest 11-20-2011 01:29 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 420181)
I looked at the Heritage Foundation link. A conservative organization that supports conservative viewpoints. How surprising.

When you read the article and have something constructive to say for or against the information related, feel free to comment again.

Guest 11-20-2011 02:20 PM

It is not only our government officials but apparently at many juncture of our society we are miles apart. So it is no surprise that a super committee would walk away without a deal.

The American people demanded a mandate in the 2010 election and the left pulled further left and the right further right. We are so polarized at every juncture of our society that information has been so contaminated by both sides that a reader can't rely on it .

Some believe thst tax increases will cure the economy, while others contend that increasing taxes will only encourage more spending. Is it any different than claiming you want to get your house in order by raiding your ATM more.

If the answer is on cutting spending than what do we cut? More to the point who gets to decide? There are so many sacred cows in the budget that it will be virtually impossible to get a majority to agree. That is why congress has only been able to trim the edges.

It will take a dominant party both in admin and congress in order to gain agreement. My preference would be the conservative party

Guest 11-20-2011 02:30 PM

it will take leadership. A non existent concept in the WH or congress.

Secondly that leader must be aggressive in changing the priority in Washington to first and foremost attend to the needs of we the people and the USA.

Special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign countries to become secondary considerations.

Return to the majority rules.

And yes GOD and religion to be returned to it's former stature ....this gets corrected with the return majority rules and minority groups placed at the end of the line!!

btk

Guest 11-20-2011 03:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 420338)
it will take leadership. A non existent concept in the WH or congress.

Secondly that leader must be aggressive in changing the priority in Washington to first and foremost attend to the needs of we the people and the USA.

Special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign countries to become secondary considerations.

Return to the majority rules.

And yes GOD and religion to be returned to it's former stature ....this gets corrected with the return majority rules and minority groups placed at the end of the line!!btk

This is not the principle America was even founded on. Remember freedom of religion? Remember equal rights? Are you suggesting a Christian state where every other religion takes a back seat? Are you serious or did I misunderstand this?

And be careful what you wish for because within this century white america will be the minority.

Guest 11-20-2011 04:02 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 420338)
it will take leadership. A non existent concept in the WH or congress.

Secondly that leader must be aggressive in changing the priority in Washington to first and foremost attend to the needs of we the people and the USA.

Special interest groups, lobbyists and foreign countries to become secondary considerations.

Return to the majority rules.

And yes GOD and religion to be returned to it's former stature ....this gets corrected with the return majority rules and minority groups placed at the end of the line!!

btk

What you are calling for is a DEMOCRACY style of government. Sorry Ole Boy, but the United States of America was founded on a REPRESENTATVE REPUBLIC style of government. If you don't know the difference, look it up, google will help as will Wikipedia. Once you learn the difference between the two you might want to readjust your thinking about majority rule or the DEMOCRACY style of government you are suggesting.

For me, I still want the REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC to be the controlling style of our government. The smaller the Federal Government the better for all of us.

From the last line of your post, you believe that I should be placed at the end of the line because I am a minority? Really, is that what you really believe. If so, shame on you.

Guest 11-20-2011 04:58 PM

ladydoc you took it wrong! I propose nothing more or less than was or has been in place in the past here in the USA...that worked just fine for many, many, MANY years!!

FB I did not say minority...I said "minority groups" .....small numbers of people who seem to be able to get the pledge removed from school or rant against saying the pledge in one place or another just to name a couple....and then the linguine spined officials who cave to the "minority group's" demands.

btk

Guest 11-21-2011 01:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 420376)
ladydoc you took it wrong! I propose nothing more or less than was or has been in place in the past here in the USA...that worked just fine for many, many, MANY years!!

FB I did not say minority...I said "minority groups" .....small numbers of people who seem to be able to get the pledge removed from school or rant against saying the pledge in one place or another just to name a couple....and then the linguine spined officials who cave to the "minority group's" demands.

btk

OK--now I understand. Thanks for the clarification.


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