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Guest 04-18-2012 09:37 PM
This back and forth has me a bit upset..let me give it to you very simply...

The voting stats are important because of ...

the post mentioned that there was no fear of the black voters running to Romney but simply not voting.

Do you not think a statistic telling YOU how important voter turnout was in a sample state clarified that ?

unintelligible. ?


I will surely strive to get myself up to your standards Thanks for tolerating me

Guest 04-18-2012 09:45 PM
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SAYING that the hiring is not a fear of them going to Romney but a fear that they wont vote is not clear to you ?????? and SUPPLYING stats to validate why it is important

I read your posts on this thread yesterday and really hope you understand how very very very political and bias it was as if NO hate posts ever were made on this forum...I try very hard to be issue driven. Am i opposed to the current administraton....YEP...been so and said so since 2008 on here. Have I complimented him...YEP also and said so on here. It was, and is, my position that Obama has been subject to more strident hatred than any previous president. I thought I made it clear I also thought the rhetoric toward W has inappropriate, however I never saw the level of hatred, leveled at him that I have at Obama. If you have, fine, I have not. I am an independent voter and had no bias in mind making my posts, other than that the rhetoric was becoming dangerous IN MY OPINION.

The speech you alluded to, in my opinion, on this forum is a one way street....every female Republican has been called some pretty bad things on here..EVERY ONE OF THEM.....and the cute nicknames that apparently do not bother you at all. You do not seem, from where I am sitting, to care or address the snide crude and non civil posts that are predominatly from the left. Every time I have tried to address them straight on, never saw you defend me...never saw you at all and they told me it was ok to do. I have never spoke of anyone like that. The cute nicknames are silly, but harmless. I never have indulged in that, but I have never seen the need to comment pro or con. Crude and non-civil does not necessarily rise to the level of incediary and dangerous, and I have not seen any posts on here from either side that I would characterize in that vein.

Now, I understand the harshness and the violent talk...I agree with you but you act as if the previous president was not subject to so much more violent talk than is going on from anyone now YET you fail to mention it. Your OP was strictly and totally a left wing attack and that is how I took it. I said it was wrong aimed at anyone and included a vilification of Bill Maher in my posts. I don't know what you expect me to do, but I have been as non-partisan in this issue as possible.

I welcome you to visit the archives on here and NO MATTER what you use as paramaters you will find the vast huge majority of one line insults come from one side and one side only and I can say that with NO fear of contradiction. The one line insults and silly names are generally from about two or three people, all of whom would probably self-identify as liberals. I have seen plenty of insulting and demeaning posts from the other end of the spectrum, but not as many silly names, though a few.

I will say that as a result of your op and thread I intend to call folks on their lies,name calling, etc to whatever extent is possible. I was ignoring but not any longer...at minimum I can embarass them if that is possible Glad I could bring you out of your shell.

Sorry for the rant but after posting on this board for all these years and reading and being subject to such hate rants to read what you wrote was just so frustrating...but that is my problem that you sure dont care about. What I care about is being understood, which I do not think you have. Good luck!
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Guest 04-18-2012 09:51 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481062)
This back and forth has me a bit upset..let me give it to you very simply...

The voting stats are important because of ...

the post mentioned that there was no fear of the black voters running to Romney but simply not voting.

Do you not think a statistic telling YOU how important voter turnout was in a sample state clarified that ?

unintelligible. ?


I will surely strive to get myself up to your standards Thanks for tolerating me
Here is the last part of the quote i was referencing: ....his fear his that will not vote." yep, it is still unintelligible.

Guest 04-18-2012 09:56 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481065)
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Have you looked at the signs I posted that were aimed at Bush ? There are literally hundreds more and NOBODY CARED.

Have you researched the comments from folks like Cindy Sheehan who was traveled around the country by the Democratic party ?

Have you read the blogs...one entitled...KILLBUSH ?

Well, didnt need you to bring me out of my shell....but after KNOWING, POSTING facts on the past President....after KNOWING how I am on here about that kind of rhetoric.....after KNOWING that most of the liberal posters on here dont really post.they enjoy making fun of people and ridiculing and FOR THE MOST part NEVER engage in any political discussion unless they are able to ridicule somebody...well after that, then you post what you posted...that ired me and will stay with me that you are not even that aware of what has an is going on. It is startling how misinformed on this issue that you are.

I saw your posts on the healthcare bill....and that is posting great. DO you know how long I have been begging for posts on that bill an received nothing but insults ? Not just me but others as well...nothing but insults and it has been tried to have people discuss.

No, you did not bring me out as you say....It just made me aware of how little people on here realize and I am going to try to make everyone aware from here on in.

Guest 04-18-2012 09:58 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481069)
Here is the last part of the quote i was referencing: ....his fear his that will not vote." yep, it is still unintelligible.
You are really insulting REALLY.

You know that a typing mistake was made...and it should read THEY will not vote.

You are a very insulting person !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Guest 04-19-2012 07:25 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481071)
Have you looked at the signs I posted that were aimed at Bush ? There are literally hundreds more and NOBODY CARED.

Have you researched the comments from folks like Cindy Sheehan who was traveled around the country by the Democratic party ?

Have you read the blogs...one entitled...KILLBUSH ?

Well, didnt need you to bring me out of my shell....but after KNOWING, POSTING facts on the past President....after KNOWING how I am on here about that kind of rhetoric.....after KNOWING that most of the liberal posters on here dont really post.they enjoy making fun of people and ridiculing and FOR THE MOST part NEVER engage in any political discussion unless they are able to ridicule somebody...well after that, then you post what you posted...that ired me and will stay with me that you are not even that aware of what has an is going on. It is startling how misinformed on this issue that you are.

I saw your posts on the healthcare bill....and that is posting great. DO you know how long I have been begging for posts on that bill an received nothing but insults ? Not just me but others as well...nothing but insults and it has been tried to have people discuss.

No, you did not bring me out as you say....It just made me aware of how little people on here realize and I am going to try to make everyone aware from here on in.
Cindy Sheehan is an activist though who was against the Iraq war because her son had been killed. Cindy Sheehan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It looks like she is also against Obama's foreign policy. She has been arrested quite a few times for her activism.

Guest 04-19-2012 04:19 PM
For God's sake please bring back George W Bush or Cheney or McCain or Palin or Gingrich or anybody but Obama.......whew, the banks have stopped collapsing and the auto industries are again solvent, foreclosures are not what they were and people are again working, we're only fighting in one war, and someone even told me the other day that Osama bin Laden is dead........somebody please come and get Obama before we return to the Good Old Days......

Guest 04-19-2012 05:22 PM
He's a Muslim and that says it all. He's an embarrassment to our country and I'll be ecstatic when he is gone.

Guest 04-19-2012 05:28 PM
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He's a Muslim and that says it all. He's an embarrassment to our country and I'll be ecstatic when he is gone.
Wow Mr. Shimpy, I'll bet you can paint a whole house in a matter of minutes with that BROAD BRUSH you use.

Guest 04-19-2012 05:29 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481405)
He's a Muslim and that says it all. He's an embarrassment to our country and I'll be ecstatic when he is gone.
Yeah, that's a great response. Kind of tells it all, doesn't it?

Amazing, Shrimpy, that a majority of American voters put Pres. Obama (your President) in office and the chances are he will be re-elected.

Guest 04-19-2012 06:06 PM
More of this stupidity from a Catholic bishop no less--Daniel Jenky
 
Daniel Jenky, Peoria Catholic Bishop: President Obama Following 'A Similar Path' As Hitler, Stalin (VIDEO)

Guest 04-19-2012 06:24 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481364)
For God's sake please bring back George W Bush or Cheney or McCain or Palin or Gingrich or anybody but Obama.......whew, the banks have stopped collapsing and the auto industries are again solvent, foreclosures are not what they were and people are again working, we're only fighting in one war, and someone even told me the other day that Osama bin Laden is dead........somebody please come and get Obama before we return to the Good Old Days......
Fear not. Mitt Romney has reassembled the George W Bush neocons as his foreign relations advisors. If you liked the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you're going to love the wars in Iran and Syria. Two words - John Bolton.

Guest 04-19-2012 06:24 PM
You said it well Coach. Too much hate going on.

Guest 04-19-2012 06:42 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481427)
Fear not. Mitt Romney has reassembled the George W Bush neocons as his foreign relations advisors. If you liked the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, you're going to love the wars in Iran and Syria. Two words - John Bolton.
John Bolton is a voice I fear. Hope if Romney does get elected, he will have nothing to do with this man.

Guest 04-19-2012 08:04 PM
That Catholic bishop should be publically defrocked for his comments about President Obama. They border on treason. The church has no place for charlatons like bishop Daniel Jenkey or his ilk.

It sounds to me like the Catholics are trying to start their own "holy war" and take our country into new Inquisition period like they did with the Spanish Inquisition.

And they have the gall to denounce Rev. Wright when they have treasonous talk like Daniel Jenkey. Pure hate from a church. Despicable is the only word I have for them. I am glad I am not a Catholic because I would be ashamed to have a bishop from my church speak that way.

Guest 04-19-2012 08:40 PM
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He's a Muslim and that says it all. He's an embarrassment to our country and I'll be ecstatic when he is gone.
Please, please, please tell me you are being sarcastic Les. If not you have reached new heights of ignorance.

Guest 04-19-2012 09:08 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481364)
For God's sake please bring back George W Bush or Cheney or McCain or Palin or Gingrich or anybody but Obama.......whew, the banks have stopped collapsing and the auto industries are again solvent, foreclosures are not what they were and people are again working, we're only fighting in one war, and someone even told me the other day that Osama bin Laden is dead........somebody please come and get Obama before we return to the Good Old Days......
Your sarcasm aside, you surely have oversimplified everything but I suppose that would make it to your advantage.

Banks have stopped collapsing but recall the VOW that Obama made that he would not allow or I think it was elimanate the danger of "too big to fail".....well guess what....the five biggies had assets that amounted to 43% of US output....NOW..the are at 56% thus it is worse now than ever, but he poured a lot of money out to someone. And you are right to lay this at his feet.

AUTO industry...Bush was pushing reorganization but as a lame duck gave in and gave them TARP money...Obama gave more and had the company give more concessions to the union and guess what THROUGH reorganization the companies came out of it. I give more credit to those who ran the company through the reorginization and we, the taxpayers own 30% of an auto company and the union is set.

Foreclosures are down...now in this case I suppose you are patting Obama on the back for that..OR are you saying the entire thing was the fault of the Bush administration ? Two different arguements....hope you actually know what caused the problem.

Point is, the knee jerk reaction of being sarcastic and blaming Bush does not wash....here we have another lie from Obama about the banks..put that alongside the many lies on healthcare and the lack of a budget because they are hiding the hidden taxes in the healthcare....well, you are obviously comfortable with all that. I am not.

This is not a defense of Bush (not something I have ever done)....but you can adore at Obamas feet and if it makes you feel better blame everything on Bush as you did with such outstanding sarcasm, but you need to some day face the actual FACTS which do not reflect what you try to present..not at all. Just keep ignoring the facts and the misrepresentations and it will not end good.

Guest 04-19-2012 10:46 PM
You think that letting the auto industry fail would be a good idea and the free market system would have made the auto industry strong?

How many thousands upon thousands of auto workers would have been out of work? The money trickles upon thousands of thousands more people in housing and other industries.

The TARP money was a good idea.

Guest 04-19-2012 10:51 PM
Ahhh, the fetid stench of desperation from the left. It's bubbling over here.

When you guys get this upset over nothing from nobodies it makes me broadly smile.

Thank you all.

Guest 04-19-2012 10:55 PM
A Catholic calls a Catholic Bishop and Archbishop nobodies? Sounds close to blasphlemy if you ask me but I am not Catholic. With church leaders like those, I am glad I am not, either.

Guest 04-19-2012 11:02 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481523)
A Catholic calls a Catholic Bishop and Archbishop nobodies? Sounds close to blasphlemy if you ask me but I am not Catholic. With church leaders like those, I am glad I am not, either.
He's just a guy. Being a priest makes him a brilliant man now?

He might be, but does it matter to you......really?

He's just one more thing from out of nowhere to try to hold onto, to make you and our failing President seem more put upon, and victimized..........as if that will help you.

Keep it up...........it makes me very gleeful................he can't escape adding 5 Trillion in debt in less than 4 years..................sniff...............what an aroma........

Guest 04-20-2012 12:48 AM
Nomobama
 
Not because of race. Because of incompetance.

Guest 04-20-2012 06:27 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481527)
He's just a guy. Being a priest makes him a brilliant man now?

He might be, but does it matter to you......really?

He's just one more thing from out of nowhere to try to hold onto, to make you and our failing President seem more put upon, and victimized..........as if that will help you.

Keep it up...........it makes me very gleeful................he can't escape adding 5 Trillion in debt in less than 4 years..................sniff...............what an aroma........
Except that if you look at the research Mitt Romney's tax plan actually increases the Federal Debt more than Obama's while helping out the very rich get richer. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...ilure/255952/#

http://taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics..._March-1-2.pdf

http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blo...eaks-for-rich/

"In other words, an additional $3 trillion in debt on top of current budget projections, a small tax increase for the poorest of Americans and a huge tax break for those, like Romney, already doing very well. That ought to make Mitt even more popular among his buddies in NASCAR team ownership, but those sitting in the grandstands should be less than happy. That is, if they’re paying attention". From above linked Jay Bookman blog.

Guest 04-20-2012 07:48 AM
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A Catholic calls a Catholic Bishop and Archbishop nobodies? Sounds close to blasphlemy if you ask me but I am not Catholic. With church leaders like those, I am glad I am not, either.
Did you not know that richie is the sole arbiter of who is somebody and who is nobody!

Guest 04-20-2012 07:50 AM
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You think that letting the auto industry fail would be a good idea and the free market system would have made the auto industry strong?

How many thousands upon thousands of auto workers would have been out of work? The money trickles upon thousands of thousands more people in housing and other industries.

The TARP money was a good idea.
First, the automobile industry was not going to fail. This would have been in in-one's interest. The bondholders , the rightful owners of GM and Chrysler, would have restructured in bankruptcy court and the companies would have been back stronger than ever. Taxpayer money would not have been involved any more than it would have been in any other bankruptcy. US government involvement was largely to look after the unions and rob the bondholders.

TARP was indeed a very good idea and was started and largely completed under the Bush administration.

Guest 04-20-2012 08:26 AM
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Did you not know that richie is the sole arbiter of who is somebody and who is nobody!
Richielion, would you please for eweissenbach, start a thread and indicate for us who is SOMEONE and who is NOBODY inquiring minds would really like to know. :a040::a040::a040::a040::coolsmiley:

Guest 04-20-2012 08:37 AM
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Did you not know that richie is the sole arbiter of who is somebody and who is nobody!
This kind of talk might, just might, add to the "vitrol" you always speak of and certainly THIS is how it grows to the level you object to.

Pretty personal remark

Guest 04-20-2012 08:44 AM
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This kind of talk might, just might, add to the "vitrol" you always speak of and certainly THIS is how it grows to the level you object to.

Pretty personal remark
Nice try, although I do not know what "vitrol" is. If you mean vitriol, I don't think the statement quite rises to that level. Simply using a sarcastic (not vitriolic) remark to point out the abovementioned poster's pompous, know-it-all gradiosity.

Guest 04-20-2012 08:48 AM
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Nice try, although I do not know what "vitrol" is. If you mean vitriol, I don't think the statement quite rises to that level. Simply using a sarcastic (not vitriolic) remark to point out the abovementioned poster's pompous, know-it-all gradiosity.
I really appreciate you always calling me out on my typing or spelling...guess it makes you feel confident and special..

HOW about talking with me about ISSUES for once instead of criticizing everyone else ?? Would be great

Guest 04-20-2012 08:59 AM
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I really appreciate you always calling me out on my typing or spelling...guess it makes you feel confident and special..

HOW about talking with me about ISSUES for once instead of criticizing everyone else ?? Would be great
This is a forum to primarily share opinions. I don't come here to be educated, I actually have learned how to surf the web and find information on about anything I want to learn more about. Virtually no one who logs onto this forum wants anything other than confirmation of their own opinions, ideals, and prejudices, and is not interested in any dissenting information. Anyone who by posting here thinks they are making a modicum of difference is dellusional. This is entertainment, pure and simple, no more, no less. My opinion is, almost anyone who is a member of TOTV, and has an independent, open mind, does not sign up for this forum because they don't want to read the kind of silliness that is usually present, including mine.

Guest 04-20-2012 09:01 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481637)
This is a forum to primarily share opinions. I don't come here to be educated, I actually have learned how to surf the web and find information on about anything I want to learn more about. Virtually no one who logs onto this forum wants anything other than confirmation of their own opinions, ideals, and prejudices, and is not interested in any dissenting information. Anyone who by posting here thinks they are making a modicum of difference is dellusional. This is entertainment, pure and simple, no more, no less. My opinion is, almost anyone who is a member of TOTV, and has an independent, open mind, does not sign up for this forum because they don't want to read the kind of silliness that is usually present, including mine.
IF YOU say it then it must be so !!!!

And allow me, on behalf of all those folks that you feel are dependent and closed minded, thank you for the clarification.

Guest 04-20-2012 09:14 AM
I started this thread after seeing some disturbing things written by an anonymous person on a newspaper I was reading in a resturaunt. It bothered me and I thought it would bother most any reasonable person - I was wrong. Then another poster claimed it was all racially motivated, which I never said in my op or any subsequent post, but I got accused of making it racial. Then several said something like my guy was treated as bad as your guy, even though I thought I made it clear that Obama wasn't my guy, and I did think that Bush was treated poorly, though not to the same level. Then a poster takes umbrage with what I said and starts attacking me personally and I retaliate, and the thread begins to totally deteriorate and come apart at the seams. Anyone reading the last half of this thread would have little or no idea what the thread was begun about. And some of you wonder why there is little substantive discussion on this forum?

Guest 04-20-2012 09:14 AM
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Not because of race. Because of incompetance.
This is a reason that Jim and Marge do not think President Obama should be re-elected. Even though I do not agree with them, I find it refreshing that they actually have a reason as compared to many other posters who are just the "haters".

Guest 04-20-2012 09:15 AM
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IF YOU say it then it must be so !!!!

And allow me, on behalf of all those folks that you feel are dependent and closed minded, thank you for the clarification.
You are welcome.

Guest 04-20-2012 09:49 AM
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Did you not know that richie is the sole arbiter of who is somebody and who is nobody!
I am the sole arbiter of my opinion and you are the sole purveyor of meaningless posts.

Guest 04-20-2012 09:52 AM
The Catholic church is archaic, homophobic and largely irrelevent except to those who languish in their Catholic guilt. Really, admonishing nuns for showing empathy to the poor and less fortunate?? Comparing Obama to Hitler?? :cus:

Guest 04-20-2012 09:54 AM
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I really appreciate you always calling me out on my typing or spelling...guess it makes you feel confident and special..

HOW about talking with me about ISSUES for once instead of criticizing everyone else ?? Would be great
The lower-case "e" is just one of the lefties on this forum who accuse others of all they are themselves guilty of.

I, among others including yourself, are criticized as "know-it-alls" by someone who is not adverse in reveling in his own "brilliance??"

It's pretty funny. The left have no "mirrors".

Guest 04-20-2012 09:57 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481657)
The Catholic church is archaic, homophobic and largely irrelevent except to those who languish in their Catholic guilt. Really, admonishing nuns for showing empathy to the poor and less fortunate?? Comparing Obama to Hitler?? :cus:
This post is a good example of the hate in your heart. You've just insulted a huge number of your fellow Americans.

You've just insulted and marginalized a goodly number of your fellow left wingers, also.

This is why your side will lose.

Guest 04-20-2012 09:58 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481645)
This is a reason that Jim and Marge do not think President Obama should be re-elected. Even though I do not agree with them, I find it refreshing that they actually have a reason as compared to many other posters who are just the "haters".
Mirror, better check the mirror.

Guest 04-20-2012 09:59 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 481655)
I am the sole arbiter of my opinion and you are the sole purveyor of meaningless posts.
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Posted by Guest (Post 481660)
The lower-case "e" is just one of the lefties on this forum who accuse others of all they are themselves guilty of.

I, among others including yourself, are criticized as "know-it-alls" by someone who is not adverse in reveling in his own "brilliance??"

It's pretty funny. The left have no "mirrors".
For those of you who are not initiated, these are examples of meaningful posts according to the ultimate arbiter. :1rotfl:


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