I believe that I have discussed this at length including my sister's personal story during and after her divorce. But perhaps that was in a different thread.

I come from a working class background my father witnessed the stock market crash and the great depression, my mother was born during that period. My bedtime stories explained the impact to their lives and the ray of light FDR provided to bring the nation out of the darkness. Therefore I have supported welfare as a means to help people up when they have fallen on hard times. However, this summer I had an eye opening experience which has reshaped my views. I had a discussion with a women whose husband's ex wife has been on welfare for 16 years. Honestly, I didn't realize anyone could receive welfare for that long! What happened to Workfair? It got worse when she explained that welfare now included section 8 housing, cable TV and a cellphone. WHAT?

Then I read Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance which I found very enlightening. JD Vance is no liberal and his book helped to reshape my views on welfare.

It appears, at least to me, life on welfare is so good that for a section of the population it enough! We could also discuss the abuse of the disability program.

The welfare system should be a hand up NOT a vocation.

Up to $60,000 a year in benefits for a single mother of four.

It describes accurately what your ideology is, or lack of it. If you make stupid remarks, expect someone to call you out on them.

This statement is wholly INACCURATE!

I do have ideology which appears, some areas, to the left of you.
My remarks are not stupid you just don't agree with them.

So if it makes you feel better continue the childish name calling!

See thread "Changes".

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And yet, you continue. Oh well, if you are that sensitive, I will reiterate that Libtard is just a descriptor not a vulgar word....that is unless you consider it a slur. In that case, you may be right. It may very well be an insult if I called a conservative a libtard. On the other hand, you should own it. After all, you libtards continue to whine about your election lose, attempting to make excuses or demean Trump's total annihilation of Killary.

Too bad about you being too sensitive to have a legitimate discussion. You would rather deviate from the subject to complain about your personal issues. Perhaps you should allow the men to converse since you obviously are too sensitive for political discussion. Just a suggestion.

:pepper2:You have to be convicted of a crime in order to be a "felon!" She was not! What say you about Mr Agent Orange? How many laws has he broken?

PICK A YEAR...IT IS in chronological order here...

Legal affairs of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

"President-elect Donald Trump rang in the new year together with Joseph "Joey No Socks" Cinque — a convicted felon with ties to notorious Gambino crime family boss John Gotti, a recently released video has revealed.

Cinque can be seen in a video obtained by the Palm Beach Daily News, cheering loudly as a tuxedo-clad Trump runs through a number of campaign promises before the hundreds of guests attending the New Year's Eve bash the President-elect threw at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida on Saturday.

"The taxes are coming down, regulations are coming off, we're going to get rid of Obamacare," Trump can be heard saying as an exuberant Cinque stands next to him, pumping his fists into the air."

Trump appears with mobster-affiliated felon at New Year's bash - NY Daily News

"Beyond a 1989 felony conviction for possessing nearly $100,000 worth of stolen artwork, Cinque "used to be friends with John Gotti," according to a New York Magazine profile from 1995.

Cinque was also "shot three times and left for dead" in a 1980 incident that authorities described as "a hit," according to the profile.

Further, Saturday's Mar-a-Lago party was far from the first time Cinque cheered on Trump. "

Not so. A felon is a person that commits a felony. Hillary has committed several felonies, but has not YET been indicted. It's just a matter of time, unless she disappears. Most likely she will drink herself to death or have a fatal drunken accident. No one will miss her. Scumbag traitors are not missed.

How many times has Trump committed treason? Killary has.

I am sensitive to the word Libtard because I don't see myself as a liberal in many areas. I believe I have endeavored to carry on a peaceful intellectual discussion perhaps that is not possible in this forum at this time. Political discussion need not be a blood sport, both sides have a view point and should be respected. Sometimes we can learn from each other as I have done in the past year in regard to welfare.

I haven't whined about the election loss because I didn't want Hillary to run. Again you get me wrong, she had to much baggage to win and it got her!

LOL!!!! Your just being silly now!

Good post.

Let me explain something. And I recall you from the past...this is BUCCO....and you and I are not normally on the same wavelength, BUT I came back to post for TWO reasons..

1. I find the election of Trump or Clinton to be terrible. I voted third party, but after watching a man who I have followed for years simply manipulate people, set a new low for lying, I need to vent.

2. When I first returned here I found a few things. People who I once respected, I find are total hypocrites. When I was on TOTV in the past, they touted morals, honesty and character and now simply the opposite. The other thing I found were uninformed extremist simply taking over this place. It seems un managed, but while I would consider a discussion of policy issues and accept any side, these are extremists that appear to represent the alt right group. I was anti Obama...I probably criticized him more than anyone, especially in his first campaign, but my heart is not so filled with such hate as these people, and as much as I can, I will not allow hate filled rhetoric, based on this Trump character.

These people know nothing. All they can do whenever you bring something up is attack Clinton or Obama, neither of whom are around in office any longer. They will defend Trump using whatever means...truth is not an option....but mostly they just keep making false, needless, passe claims. They. Like Trump cannot get past the campaign and rehash at every opportunity.

PS...,.hope this finds you in good health 😊

No one admits to voting for Hillary, yet many insist she won "the popular vote." Like that means something substantial.

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Wonder if this is a symptom.

By the way, this is NOT a leftover...THIS was put in place by the Trump admin. This guy is a Trumper.

"The White House abruptly dismissed a senior National Security Council aide on Friday after receiving reports that he had publicly laced into the president and his senior aides, including son-in-law Jared Kushner and daughter Ivanka Trump at an event hosted by a Washington think tank.

The aide, Craig Deare, was serving as the NSC's senior director for Western Hemisphere Affairs. Earlier in the week, at a private, off-the-record roundtable hosted by the Woodrow Wilson Center for a group of about two dozen scholars, Deare harshly criticized the president and his chief strategist Steve Bannon and railed against the dysfunction paralyzing the Trump White House, according to a source familiar with the situation."

White House dismisses NSC aide after harsh criticism of Trump - POLITICO