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Guest 02-22-2016 11:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189168)
Yes, I clearly had a typo and missed one word - "VOTING" as in voting majority. Good catch. Pat your self on the back - you clearly need your ego bolstered. But the fact is, the TURNOUT of black voters will propel the Democrats to a victory. And I daresay, laziness probably better applies to the Republicans as far as getting off their rear ends and out to the polls.

Unlike your response, it was not an issue of "ego." My confidence in myself is fine. So, you have a choice of having a civil debate and receive a respectful reply, OR you can get snarky and be ignored. It's up to you.

Assuming that you wish to be civil, I'd like to point out that Hillary will not get anywhere near the black voter turnout that Obama received. Why not? Because even though Bill was considered the first black president, SHE is fake, a poser, considered insincere and a liar. No one believes that blacks are stupid, in that they can easily be conned by someone that obviously changes her accent according to the environment and demographic.

I predict that there will be a very low Democrat voter turn out this election season. The older generation will not vote for a commie, and are not easily deceived by a disloyal liar. Since the pickin's be scarce on the left, they will either decline to turn out or some may even vote for Trump. I doubt that the Independent voter will even consider a Dem vote this go around.

Guest 02-22-2016 01:29 PM

My biggest concern is not so much the White House as it is the Supreme Court.. If the Republicans do not win in November we will see a 5-4 liberal tilted Court with a 6-3 or even 7-2 tilt in the next 4-8 years. In my opinion we have some good candidates especially compared to the left, but what truly matters is getting behind whomever wins the nomination UNLESS you're good with Obama Care becoming permanent, Immigration staying the same or worse and our 2nd Amendment rights being "tweeked" by the far left Supreme Court.. If you're not ok with that then I suggest we look at this election as the most important of our lifetime, one that could have serious consequences that will last a generation or more..If the 65 million gun owners or the proponents of the 2nd just VOTE whether it's Rubio, Trump or Cruz than things should be fine, if not than it's a vote for Hillary and complete uncertainty of the above mentioned for years to come....

Guest 02-22-2016 01:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1188512)
I can understand your disgust in the Republican candidates. The only decent one is John Kasich and he does not have a prayer. Trump, Cruz, and Rubio are embarrassing to the USA if they were ever elected as President.

Bernie Sanders would be a terrible president. Absolutely nothing would be passed by Congress.

Hillary has experience as a former First Lady and she was the brains of the Clinton presidency. She will be an excellent President.

Hopefully voters will get a majority of Democratic members in Congress so things can be accomplished instead of just more divisive politics.

I have a problem with only Hillary's honesty being questioned. I have never heard a reporter or talk show question any other candidate's honesty. I am sure the dishonesty issue can be a question for each candidate. The only difference is Hillary's actions have been made public because of her status. The others have well hidden issues. Think about the people and the list and see if you don't agree. And as far as incompetence, I am sure there is enough of that to go around.

Bernie, well social issues have to be address. Do I agree with everything Bernie is asking for? No, but some of it makes sense. Capitalism without a conscious is a disaster for a country and its people.

I agree with your assessment of Trump and Cruz. Rubio seems to have a habit of not completing his obligation to his offices. Suck it up and do your job. Kasich may be the only moderate in the group and therefore may be able to get congress working again. Your guess is as good as mine. Good luck to all of us.

Guest 02-22-2016 02:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189273)
My biggest concern is not so much the White House as it is the Supreme Court.. If the Republicans do not win in November we will see a 5-4 liberal tilted Court with a 6-3 or even 7-2 tilt in the next 4-8 years. In my opinion we have some good candidates especially compared to the left, but what truly matters is getting behind whomever wins the nomination UNLESS you're good with Obama Care becoming permanent, Immigration staying the same or worse and our 2nd Amendment rights being "tweeked" by the far left Supreme Court.. If you're not ok with that then I suggest we look at this election as the most important of our lifetime, one that could have serious consequences that will last a generation or more..If the 65 million gun owners or the proponents of the 2nd just VOTE whether it's Rubio, Trump or Cruz than things should be fine, if not than it's a vote for Hillary and complete uncertainty of the above mentioned for years to come....

:agree:

Guest 02-22-2016 04:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189202)
Unlike your response, it was not an issue of "ego." My confidence in myself is fine. So, you have a choice of having a civil debate and receive a respectful reply, OR you can get snarky and be ignored. It's up to you.

Assuming that you wish to be civil, I'd like to point out that Hillary will not get anywhere near the black voter turnout that Obama received. Why not? Because even though Bill was considered the first black president, SHE is fake, a poser, considered insincere and a liar. No one believes that blacks are stupid, in that they can easily be conned by someone that obviously changes her accent according to the environment and demographic.

I predict that there will be a very low Democrat voter turn out this election season. The older generation will not vote for a commie, and are not easily deceived by a disloyal liar. Since the pickin's be scarce on the left, they will either decline to turn out or some may even vote for Trump. I doubt that the Independent voter will even consider a Dem vote this go around.

"SHE is fake, a poser, considered insincere and a liar."

By who, you! I consider you an idiot, that makes it official!

Guest 02-22-2016 06:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189384)
"SHE is fake, a poser, considered insincere and a liar."

By who, you! I consider you an idiot, that makes it official!

But she is what she is and you blind, no options followers have no options within your party.

What was left out of the sentence describing her was she is a felon with American blood on her hands.

And, if she does in fact get the nomination you will learn that there are just as many democrats who are as sick and tired as the rest of us at the direction and degeneration of America by the incompetent fool in the WH. The will not support another candidate promising more of the same or worse. There will be many democrats who will not accept a felon to represent them and they will make that choice in the voting booth rather than in public. And have to put up with the kind of BS that gets spewed here by the frenzied loyalists.

Guest 02-22-2016 07:43 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189384)
"SHE is fake, a poser, considered insincere and a liar."

By who, you! I consider you an idiot, that makes it official!

I want to preface my comment with an apology for thinking that you might want a civil conversation. I was mistaken, you are too involved with dealing with your anger issues. Most likely, you blame it on your parents for not showing you the proper attention when you had your temper tantrums.

I had assumed that you knew something of the Clintons when I included them in my comment. Obviously, I gave you way too much credit. If you have an occasion to utilize google, you might want to type in "Clinton", but spell it correctly, and you will begin to educate yourself so that you will have some substance to back your conversation. Until then, you might want to limit your verbiage so as not to prove that you are a foolish, ignorant juvenile acting out on the Internet.

Guest 02-23-2016 07:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189384)
"SHE is fake, a poser, considered insincere and a liar."

By who, you! I consider you an idiot, that makes it official!

I agree. And don't forget they think she is a "commie". Boy, I haven't heard that word in awhile. Sigh.

And they think the Republican candidates are so great:

Trump is a big mouth bully and perpetual insult machine, with zero political experience:

Cruz is a far right extremist representing only the evangelicals, totally removed from mainstream America, and a liar to boot;

Rubio is a far right extremist, had significant financial indiscretions (using a government credit card to pave his driveway among others), with zero accomplishments in 2 decades of politics.

The Democrats will have no trouble humiliating any of the above candidates during a general election.

Guest 02-23-2016 07:09 AM

And for those who don't like Hillary - here is a list of her accomplishments:

Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.

She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.

She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.

Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).

She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.

At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.

She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.

Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).

Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.

Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.

Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.

Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.

Was the most traveled Secretary of State to date.

The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved the living conditions for nearly 400 million people in over 180 countries through its Initiative program.

And these are not even all of her accomplishments.

Guest 02-23-2016 07:44 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1188606)
I hope you are right. The Donald's record on PolitiFact is one of the worst yet people still vote for this man.

The problem is republicans are not particularly fond of facts........... or science or integrity or........

Guest 02-23-2016 07:53 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189570)
The problem is republicans are not particularly fond of facts........... or science or integrity or........

Even though you are having a great time conversing with yourself, you still have not provided any "facts" as you call them. But, maybe one of your personalities, Sybil will be convinced.

What does it say about a voter that would back a criminal or a socialist for president of the US of A? Not the most astute citizen, to put it politely.

Guest 02-23-2016 12:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189562)
And for those who don't like Hillary - here is a list of her accomplishments:

Even though her major initiative, the Clinton healthcare plan, failed (due to Republican obstruction), you cannot deny that it laid ground for what we have today, the Affordable Healthcare Act, something Clinton supports and would continue.

She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.

She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.

Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).

She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.

At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.

She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.

Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).

Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.

Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.

Was a major proponent of sensible diplomacy which brought about a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel, and brokered human rights with Burma.

Oversaw free trade agreements with our allies such as Panama, Colombia, and South Korea.

Was the most traveled Secretary of State to date.

The Clinton Foundation, founded by her and her husband, has improved the living conditions for nearly 400 million people in over 180 countries through its Initiative program.

And these are not even all of her accomplishments.

Wow!
The talking points issue for the week must have gotten a gold star this week.
And if she was in a boat on the lake and the lake rose 10 feet she would be laisted as participating in the raising of the lake 10 feet.

Just so much poetic liscence (in other words political BS)

Guest 02-23-2016 12:49 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189694)
Wow!
The talking points issue for the week must have gotten a gold star this week.
And if she was in a boat on the lake and the lake rose 10 feet she would be laisted as participating in the raising of the lake 10 feet.

Just so much poetic liscence (in other words political BS)

Another instance of a republican being unable to accept facts. I guess that comes from watching too much Faux News.

Guest 02-23-2016 01:48 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1189728)
Another instance of a republican being unable to accept facts. I guess that comes from watching too much Faux News.

It shows that she is a community organizer, but hasn't accomplished anything substantive. She is an activists, and would do very well at the PTA or community bake sale. There is no factual basis to say that she has any accomplishments. Saying she was a wife of a president is the same as me saying she would do well at the PTA or whatever. That's not experience. They even have a protocol position in the White House so that president's wives don't even have to do any planning.

Hillary is a loser and the worst thing that this country could put in ANY position of responsibility, especially the highest leadership role in the world. Besides, she won't be able to do the job from a jail cell, so why don't you take your lame excuses for her and expend that energy on a decent candidate?

If the Dems want a really decent Democrat to represent them, they should have pushed Senator Manchin from WV. He would be a hard one to beat. I would even be tempted to vote for him.


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