I decided to give this its own thread as it started when I asked Kahuna a question about the Annenberg Foundation. In summary, I have learned that the Annenberg Foundation supports both FactCheck and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. William Ayers was the founder and driving force and Barack Obama was the Chairman of Chicago's Annenberg Challenge. A brewing controversy, just google the Annenberg papers, concerns whether Obama used foundation funds to reward political allies. It is obvious that Ayers was not just a guy from the neighborhood. If you don't mind doing a little keystoke research with subjects that conflict with your political persuasion, please, take a chance. It may not sway you but, it may help you understand why many are skeptical.

I went to Wikipedia to learn more about Ayers. He was a driving force behind the Weathermen who were responsible for many bombings, bank robberies and killings, including police officers. Bombings and killings to this day he is unrepentant for and says coldly that he should have done more bombings. Check the Wikipedia "Bill Ayers" link and the Brinks robbery. He was also connected to the two terrorists who blew themselves up in Greenwich Village making a bomb that was to be detonated at the NCO club dance at Ft. Dix, NJ. Ayers and his wife are the legal guardians of Kathy Boudin's daughter Chesa. Boudin is still in jail for killing a cop in the Brinks robbery. That robbery was committed by Black Liberation and Weatherman terrorists. Be sure to follow-up on the links on the Ayers page. They are more revealing than the Ayers page itself.

According to Wikipedia, Ayers is a self proclaimed communist. He is also the driving force behind the Chicago Annenberg Challenge where Obama was the Chairman of the Board. Wikipedia interestingly states that FactCheck claims to be nonpartisan. Kind of hedges against it being objective.

I have learned that you could write a book about the William Ayers, Barack Obama, radical Weather Underground, Annenberg and Black Liberation Army connection. A lot of innocent people died as the result of Ayers domestic terrorist acts. Throw in some research into Obama's mentor Saul Alinsky and Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals". If you really want to get the full picture, curl up with Saul's book some rainy day. If you are a radical or Communist, you probably already have. Add some research into Reverend Wright's Black Liberation Theology and a very scary picture developes. Now look back at my opening paragraph, re: Ayre's, Obama, Annenberg.

Please, do not take my word. Take some time. Read the links on Wikipedia and see where they take you. Think about the bombings, the killings, the politics. I remember Nikita Khrushchev pounding his shoe and saying "We will bury you." He later said this:

From Wikipedia:

Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev famously used an expression generally translated into English as "We will bury you!" while addressing Western ambassadors at a reception at the Polish embassy in Moscow on November 18, 1956.

On August 24, 1963, Khrushchev himself remarked in his speech in Yugoslavia, "I once said, 'We will bury you,' and I got into trouble with it. Of course we will not bury you with a shovel. Your own working class will bury you," a reference to the Marxist saying, "The proletariat is the undertaker of capitalism"; a popular articulation of the materialist conception of history as the inevitable progression of class struggle towards communism.

The quotation was used as the title of Jan Šejna's book on communist Cold War strategies

Old Nikita looks more and more like a prophet.

Good research Cabo35; thanx for the leads on the subject.
We all know these types of issues will never make it to any investigation and or reporting.
However, as reported in the news yesterday, there is a "fact finding" pack of lawyers in Alaska investigating Palin and illegal gubernatorial favoritism.

Hmmmnnnn, now let's see which would have more potential to lead to a REAL issue of NATIONAL concern???

These kinds of events need to be taken seriously, because.....not many people shed their roots so easily....regardless the words from their mouths.....

Repeating from previous posts; one rearrange the spots on the leopard to make it look like something else, but when you get done....you still have a leopard!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

LOL, BTK..is that the same thing as "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig??"

Samhass....it very well could be....yes, I think it is...but not subject to the same interpretation (I don't think).

BTK

CABO35 brings up a very important issue. I just hope that someday this will finally get the investigation it deserves. We are walking down a very dangerous road !

I really no longer understand....I did the research last night about the Annenberg Foundation...all that I can say is only in these divided political times would a charitable organization like the Annenberg Foundation be something to fear.

Here is the background on the Annenberg Foundation:

Established in 1989 by Walter H. Annenberg, the Annenberg Foundation provides funding and support to nonprofit organizations in the United States and globally through its headquarters in Radnor, Pennsylvania and offices in Los Angeles, California. Its major program areas are education and youth development; arts, culture and humanities; civic and community; health and human services; and animal services and the environment. In addition, the Foundation operates a number of initiatives which expand and complement these program areas. The Annenberg Foundation exists to advance the public well-being through improved communication. As the principal means of achieving this goal, the Foundation encourages the development of more effective ways to share ideas and knowledge.

In a 15th anniversary report the Annenberg Foundation has awarded some 5,200 grants totaling more than $2.8 billion.

In 1993 the Annenberg Foundation made a historic commitment to public education with one of the largest gifts in philanthropic history: the $500 million Annenberg Challenge, which works to revive and inspire school reform efforts across the nation. The 18 Challenge project sites in major cities and rural America receive grants ranging from $1 million to $53 million and generate more than $600 million in matching funds.

A small part of that was the Annenberg Challenge in Chicago upon which sat Obama and a well respected college professor William Ayers.

If you look at FactCheck.org you will find this:

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation

In looking this over I cannot find any way to connect the dots into this statement:

I have learned that you could write a book about the William Ayers, Barack Obama, radical Weather Underground, Annenberg and Black Liberation Army connection. A lot of innocent people died as the result of Ayers domestic terrorist acts.

I refuse to fear...I refuse to believe in conspiracy theories...I take people at face value and believe that regardless of race, class, creed, gender, political party and nationality all humans strive for the same thing...HAPPINESS.

If we continue with irrational fear and visceral hatred of the opposition we will never be able to do anything. Just this summer the head of the Democratic Party in Arkansas was shot and killed. A gunman walked into a Unitarian church in Knoxville and killed several worshiper's.

I don't intend to vote for John McCain but I don't hate him nor fear him....

Right now I and going to take 2 Vicodine and ice my knee...While I am doing and over the next few days I will be pondering my future in this forum.

I wish all of you well and a great deal of happiness. If you golf hit em straight.

First read about Saul Alinsky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

now a bit from Saul Alinsky's son

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4784

A CBS article on Sen Obama's attempt to keep some things quiet

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3981093.shtml

A UK article talking about Sen Obama and his "ties" with communist Frank Davis..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ack-Obama.html

Just for a break....FACTCHECK on Sen Obama's speech at the convention

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ack-Obama.html

An article about the job of Community Organizer

http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/...anizing-anyway

A little more on Alinsky and Obama during the primary

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...y_jujitsu.html

There are a lot more.....Sen Obama is in his mid 40;s......tell me JUST ONE other politician in this country with so many "connections" to radicals, and I never even mentioned Rev Wright !

I assume that none of the Obama supporters read any of my links but just in case they really want to research as some have said they will do...

Here is a CBS article on Sen Obama's voting in Chicago...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23276453/

Originally Posted by Bucco

First read about Saul Alinsky

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

now a bit from Saul Alinsky's son

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4784

A CBS article on Sen Obama's attempt to keep some things quiet

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3981093.shtml

A UK article talking about Sen Obama and his "ties" with communist Frank Davis..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ack-Obama.html

Just for a break....FACTCHECK on Sen Obama's speech at the convention

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ack-Obama.html

An article about the job of Community Organizer

http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/...anizing-anyway

A little more on Alinsky and Obama during the primary

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...y_jujitsu.html

There are a lot more.....Sen Obama is in his mid 40;s......tell me JUST ONE other politician in this country with so many "connections" to radicals, and I never even mentioned Rev Wright !

You posted this stuff once before...

Frank Marshall Davis, alleged Communist, was early influence on Barack Obama.

Obama met this guy when he was 8 years old....this article was more about Davis's sexual activity.

Did you notice the word alleged before the Communist or just choice to ignore it?

You directed me to a website about Saul Alinsky...your post said One of Sen Obama's early heroes in politics was Saul Alinsky. Let me introduce you to Saul Alinsky...here is a link to read some general stuff about him..

But that link told me this...


Thirteen years after Alinsky died, some of his former students hired Barack Obama to a $13,000 a year job as a community organizer in South Chicago. In a few years he became very proficient in the Alinsky Method of community organizing and became an instructor and teacher of the Alinsky Method to other community organizers.

Why do you link Obama to guy he never met?

You are always going off on Obama's connection to a Weatherman.....who did what he did when Obama was 8. Then he met Ayers 40 years later as a respected college professor.

I get it you think Obama is a liberal...wait thats not good enough now he has to be a radical communists/socialist...

This statement was included as a part of the post that started this thread:

He was a driving force behind the Weathermen who were responsible for many bombings, bank robberies and killings, including police officers. Bombings and killings to this day he is unrepentant for and says coldly that he should have done more bombings.

Everything in is statement is not true......

Ayers said he should have done more, but the statement didn't include the word bombings.

And as for the killings part:

Apart from an apparently accidental premature detonation of a bomb in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion which killed three of Weatherman's own members, no one was ever harmed in the extensive bombing campaign, as WUO issued warnings in advance to ensure a safe evacuation of the area prior to detonation.

If you really wanted the truth you would have found it. The only spinning and calculated misrepresentation is your pronouncement that William Ayers, your respectable professor and his Weathermen never robbed banks or killed anybody. That is a cold, heartless response to the survivors of their victims that you claim don't exist. As I previously stated they had names. Maybe if I put names to those who were ruthlessly gunned down and murdered after stopping a van containing Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, both Weather Underground members, co-conspirators of William Ayres a driving force of the Weather Underground and their BLA accomplices (a whole other issue), maybe you will reassess your cavalier dismissal that it never happened.

Google this......During the Brinks bank robbery Nyack police officers Sgt. Edward O'Grady and Officer Waverly "Chipper" Brown were shot and killed by Weather Underground and BLA members . Boudin was caught at the scene. Gilbert fled.This same group of cold blooded killers had just killed Brinks guard Peter Paige during the Brinks bank robbery an hour earlier. William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn frequently are considered driving forces of the Weather Underground and were closely associated with Boudin and Gilbert. Every legitimate source will reference Ayers, Boudin, Dohrn and David Gilbert as Weather Underground principals. Ayers and his wife were the legal guardians of Kathy Boudin's daughter Chesa after she was convicted in the Brinks robbey and murders.

In as much as you have been rather harsh in your discrediting of my post about Weathermen and the BLA robbing banks or killing anyone, perhaps you will believe your own eyes when it comes from one of your own.

http://www.schumer.senate.gov/Schume...cfm?id=265404&

Please don't hit and run like the liberal media. I admit, I have an unfair advantage over you as I was in law enforcement at the time and lived it. State Trooper Phil Lamonaco was gunned down while conducting an MV stop, by radicals who were responsible for 19 bombings and 10 bank robberies. Phil was a great guy, family man, Trooper of the Year, colleague and friend. I watched William Kuntsler, who defended his killers, put his feet up on the desk in court, take his socks off and pick his toes to show disrespect for the court.

I was working the day BLA radicals, and Joann Chesimard (Tupac Shakur's aunt), gunned down execution style Trooper Werner Foerster just off the Turnpike in Edison, NJ. He was also a family man. Please don't preach to me about "respectable radicals". Save it for the families of their victims.

Somehow, it seems like a waste of time to dismantle your cleansing of the Annenberg connection. Make a note. It will not surprise me if Obama receives an Annenberg surprise in October.

William Ayers was accused (never convicted) of bombings from 1969 to 74. ??? And again.
??? Senator Obama was only 8 to 13 years old.

To quote Washington Post, The Fact Checker:

"The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."

What a waste of a thread!

I've said this before and I'll say it again. If you look at many of my friends and heroes when I was in high school and college, I would be tarred as a radical activist at best and killer by association at worst. The reality is I was none of these things. I was a kid finding my way. I didn't protest -- was too busy keeping a scholarship, working and training (track) and I could never disrespect my father and brother that way. I knew (and liked) people who were members of the Weathermen. I knew Bobby Seale and had been at get togethers at his house in Oakland many times (what can I say, they always had good grass). One of my best friends in college was Lou Alcindor. Kareem called me before he became a black Muslim to tell me and basically end our friendship since I was the wrong color. We still correspond via email. Angela Davis was my mentor in college and I truly admired her and her beliefs. I've talked to Ms. Davis a few times since her return. Amazingly, she's mellowed, too, and is not quite such a radical. I didn't agree with all of their beliefs but more than I care to admit today. I am not the kid I was then.

I love America. Always have. Always will. I see her faults. I see the things that make her great. I've lived in enough nations as a child and revisited them as an adult to see America without blinders or rose-colored glasses. One of its biggest pluses in mind is the ability of ths nation and its people to forgive the transgressions of its enemies (within and outside of its boundaries) and turn them into friends. We did it with Germany and Japan. We did it with many protestors, including Bobby Seale, Angela Davis, William Ayers to name just a few.

If the best that can be done is to tar a man with the brush of his parents, grandparents and youth, then maybe he is the man for the job. Maybe some of you truly hold the exact same beliefs of your parents and grandparents, but I hope not. I adored my father and loved my mother. They were both human and had their prejudices and flaws. They worked hard to teach my brother and I to not have those prejudices because they understood the world was shrinking and regional prejudices were just plain wrong even as they held on to those beliefs. While my father was a Dem, I'm willing to bet he would have switched to the Republican party as he aged. My mother was the most non-political creature I've ever met. I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I wouldn't vote a party ticket if you held a gun to my head. I'll vote for whom I think is the best person regardless of party affiliation, race, sex or religious belief.

Obama has never prostylized violence, the taking over of America, Islam as a religion. He has categorically stated he loves this country, he denounces violence, he is a Christian. These should not be the issues we are looking at. We should be concerned about his lack of experience, what he plans to do about the economy, energy, health care, etc. We should be deciding if he is the best man for the job because of what he can do for this country not because of who his grandparents' friends were or the fact that one of his mentors dared to speak about communism or radicalism (yes, I've read Alinsky's book -- all of it -- there's some good points in it, especially about union organizing, and some that scare the heck out of me), ad nauseum.

To all of those who feel the need to defend Sen Obama...

NAME ONE, JUST ONE POLITICIAN OR ELECTED OFFICIAL IN WASHINGTON WITH ANY TIES,WHETHER LOOSE OR WHATEVER TO ANY....REPEAT...ANY SUCH RADICAL GROUPS OR PEOPLE ?

IF you can name ONE...JUST ONE.....how old are they...in their 40's.....Sen Obama collected these associations in a very short time...fact it, this is his training. And remember we havent even discussed his "personal mentor", the Rev Wright.

If any other candidate...Sen Clinton...Sen McCain....Sen Biden....Gov Palin had anything close to such ties, they would be flat out rejected.

And to REDWITCH...I have never NOT ONCE mentioned Islam...why you did mention it ??

And no comments at all on the article about his voting in Illinois....no comments on the community organizer ?

Remember the person you are reading about is very close to being President of the United States.

But again...name ONE...heck name one person in the news of any ilk with this many ties to radicals and in his 40's !

I think we are going to find more and more politicians who have "ties" to radicals for the smple reason our politicians are getting younger. I graduated from college in '68. I was surrounded by radicals and admired many of them. Many of Obama's professors were radicals in the 60s, semi-mainstream in the 70s. His grandfather was definitely different or so were his friends. So far, I have seen nothing to show that Obama was ever involved even remotely in a radical activity. His friends and mentors, yes. As I said, if you used the logic that friends and mentors who were radical made you a radical, then I guess I'm radical and I KNOW I'm not.

As to Rev. Wright, he is a pastor of a black church and acts pretty much like many black pastors do. I've attended services at black churches. Quite honestly, I've heard things said by the pastor that could make the hair on my head stand straight up. Unlike most caucasian churches, politics, news, etc. is very much a part of the sermon at black churches. It can and does get pretty violent in the language. Obama should have separated himself from Wright a long time ago. I admire his loyalty, am not impressed with his stupidity on this one.

As to mentioning Islam, I listed all of the ways Obama has been tarred because of his associations with others, not just the ones you listed.

Sorry, I'll stand by talk about the issues. You believe his is a radical. gfmucci believes he is closet Muslim. I believe he is a man who may not have the experience to be president but is intelligent enough to learn. He has some very liberal leanings, which isn't a bad thing in my book, but the fact is that some of his ideas sound good while campaigning but will go nowhere in the reality of the White House.

So, until you can show me specifics where Obama has done or made statements to prove he is truly a radical, I'm not going to worry about it. I really can't tar him with that brush without tarring myself and many of my generation and that I refuse to do.

Sorry, I'll stand by talk about the issues
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You dont think a man in his 40's with this many ties to radicallism is an issue ? We will certainly disagree on that !
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So, until you can show me specifics where Obama has done or made statements to prove he is truly a radical,

Start with his proposed legislation the Global Poverty Act, which has an astronomical price tag and his comments about it...he wants to "reallocate the worlds resources"....does that sound famaliar.

AND once again...name me ANYONE in the news with this many ties to radicalism and keep in mind if that is tough...this one is running to be your President !