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Guest 10-05-2009 08:02 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228186)
GNU.... I didn't use the word wasted and I would not. But I do believe that GW Bush really didn't think or care about the troops. (I can hear the incoming now)....One only has to look at the adminstrations policy's towards the troops like the GI Bill and funding of the Vets Hospitals to understand that.

It is my opinion that the Commander and Chief should not ask the troops to make the sacrifice if the war in question is NOT in the defense of the USA. In this case, again in my opinion and I am entitled to my opinion this war was NOT.
Are you suggesting that any President should check with YOU before making the decision ? Or should he/she go with what he/she knows and the agreement of congress ?

Guest 10-05-2009 08:05 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228145)
I still haven't seen a George Bush "lie" here. Let's look at the quotes though-

Quote 1: "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - this is quoted in the following press statement (now conveniently missing, of course, although widely quoted at the time) Sen. Ted Kennedy

Quote 2: "In 1991, the world collectively made a judgment that this man should not have weapons of mass destruction. And we are here today in the year 2002 with an un-inspected four-year interval during which time we know through intelligence he not only has kept them, but he continues to grow them." - this from the floor of the Senate, as quoted on the Authorization of Force website. Sen. John Kerry

Quote 3: "Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that." - from Meet The Press on November 17, 2002, as quoted on DemocracyNow.com Speaker Nancy Pelosi

Quote 4: "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - this was quoted in the Washington Post on September 23, 2002 Sen. Al Gore

Quote 5: "The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave threat to America and our allies. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons today, that he's used them in the past, and that he's doing everything he can to build more. Every day he gets closer to his long-term goal of nuclear capability." - from October of 2002, as quoted on Tim Russert's program on February 27, 2007 Sen. John Edwards

So were these five quotes lies?
The President of the United States of America stood before the American Public and told us that Iraq was trying to obtain Yellow Cake from *****. That was a lie pure and simple. We all now know that what the CIA was telling everyone was simply untrue....so a repeated lie is still a lie. So to answer the question then YES. But I was asked to post the lies I thought GW Bush told and I did.

Guest 10-05-2009 08:07 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228187)
Are you suggesting that any President should check with YOU before making the decision ? Or should he/she go with what he/she knows and the agreement of congress ?
Bucco you clearly need an anger management class. Or at least a chill pill.

This post really is off base.

Guest 10-05-2009 08:10 PM
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You will NEVER get an answer to your question !!!

This statement about lies has been repeated so much that those who repeat it have made it a fact. It is revisionist history coupled with Monday morning quarterbacking !!!

It has been said you shouldn't ask a question unless you know the answer...in this case you shouldn't predict something like this cause you know what is coming.

I answered the question directly........

Guest 10-05-2009 08:45 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228190)
Bucco you clearly need an anger management class. Or at least a chill pill.

This post really is off base.

No chill pill or anger management needed...not angry at all. Just tired of people saying two things you either said or alluded to...

One,that if I (you) dont think it was justified then it was not justified. We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Second, I think those who died and shed blood in lands like Korea would disagree with you. When you say defense of our country, I suppose your definition is if they are climbing on our shores...or you will say present a DIRECT threat to our country. Oh if only life and the world were that simple and we could have Monday morning quarterback skills on Sunday !

Guest 10-05-2009 08:48 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228189)
The President of the United States of America stood before the American Public and told us that Iraq was trying to obtain Yellow Cake from *****. That was a lie pure and simple. We all now know that what the CIA was telling everyone was simply untrue....so a repeated lie is still a lie. So to answer the question then YES. But I was asked to post the lies I thought GW Bush told and I did.
You and I know that other countries supplied much information to us telling us it was true. Did that information perhaps get blown up a bit...I believe it did. Congress heard the same info that the President heard (from the other countries in the world) AND in addition, this particular situation (yellow cake in Nigeria) was ONE factor. IF it had been necessary to stand alone it would have never survived !

Guest 10-05-2009 09:57 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228197)
No chill pill or anger management needed...not angry at all. Just tired of people saying two things you either said or alluded to...

One,that if I (you) dont think it was justified then it was not justified. We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Second, I think those who died and shed blood in lands like Korea would disagree with you. When you say defense of our country, I suppose your definition is if they are climbing on our shores...or you will say present a DIRECT threat to our country. Oh if only life and the world were that simple and we could have Monday morning quarterback skills on Sunday !
Jeez....I was what 2 years old during the Korean War and I had 2 brothers in that war.

You are not making any sense.....

Guest 10-05-2009 10:00 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228198)
You and I know that other countries supplied much information to us telling us it was true. Did that information perhaps get blown up a bit...I believe it did. Congress heard the same info that the President heard (from the other countries in the world) AND in addition, this particular situation (yellow cake in Nigeria) was ONE factor. IF it had been necessary to stand alone it would have never survived !
It was taken out of one speech and then put back into the State of the Union address...

They knew it was wrong.

Guest 10-06-2009 07:34 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228213)
Jeez....I was what 2 years old during the Korean War and I had 2 brothers in that war.

You are not making any sense.....

Your original comment did not specify Iraq...it was a general statement about war !!!!

Guest 10-06-2009 08:42 AM
Only is they're rightwing-fascist types .
 
Bucco says: We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Funny? When was the last time you gave MAJORITY ELECTED sitting President and Congress the benefit of your very wise observation?

Bucco, and other eagle beaks: were you of those who cheered loudly when the United States of America lost the bid to host the Olympic Games? I saw a bunch of Beckerheads on TV actually cheering the defeat of our nation! WHy Becasue Obama lost.

Guest 10-06-2009 09:03 AM
As has been said in an eralier post, it is objectionable
 
for you, ptownrob, to be using any allusion to the eagle with such negative and disrespectful intent.

Your catharses are quickly earning the position of nothing more than rambling agitation.....and aren't you lucky to be in a country that allows you to do so?

btk

Guest 10-06-2009 09:34 AM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228254)
Bucco says: We elect folks in the WH and congress to make those decisions. You surely can have your opinion but your presentation was if it were just a fact.

Funny? When was the last time you gave MAJORITY ELECTED sitting President and Congress the benefit of your very wise observation?

Bucco, and other eagle beaks: were you of those who cheered loudly when the United States of America lost the bid to host the Olympic Games? I saw a bunch of Beckerheads on TV actually cheering the defeat of our nation! WHy Becasue Obama lost.

This is with all due respect, but you need some serious help !!!

Whatever name you want to call me and anyone who disagrees with you if you could somehow overcome your basic hate that is eating you up you will find that in this country the President and Congress together make war..not one person and they do it as elected officials.

Of what you are speaking I have no idea. If you are speaking of my total disagreement with this current WH and congress on social issues, that is my right to do so as you have the right to call others names.

Guest 10-06-2009 02:14 PM
think about it
 
If you are a Socialist meaning you want big government then whenever Obama wins you think the Country wins.

If you are a Capitalist meaning you want smaller interference from the Government then whenever Obama wins you think the Country loses.

Since the USA became the most succeccful Country on Earth with the highest standard of living for the poor and the rich and did it under Capitalism then it follows that those of us who are capitalists would want Obama to fail for the sake of our Country.

Guest 10-06-2009 08:51 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228187)
Are you suggesting that any President should check with YOU before making the decision ? Or should he/she go with what he/she knows and the agreement of congress ?
If my memory is correct Mr. Bush consulted with his "father in the sky"(I wonder if the White House has this on tape) rather than his real father who probably would have given him different advice. The 9/11 wackos were also listening to their "father in the sky". I blame congress for not pressing him more strongly given the results so far.

By the way if we add the 40,000 troops to Afghanistan that McChrystal asked for(I hope he has better intel than he had in the Pat Tillman incident) , would all you war supporters on this forum be willing to reup for an indefinite tour? Or why don't we just use the capitalist approach and hire Blackwater and Halliburton do the job.

Guest 10-06-2009 09:48 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228365)
If my memory is correct Mr. Bush consulted with his "father in the sky"(I wonder if the White House has this on tape) rather than his real father who probably would have given him different advice. The 9/11 wackos were also listening to their "father in the sky". I blame congress for not pressing him more strongly given the results so far.

By the way if we add the 40,000 troops to Afghanistan that McChrystal asked for(I hope he has better intel than he had in the Pat Tillman incident) , would all you war supporters on this forum be willing to reup for an indefinite tour? Or why don't we just use the capitalist approach and hire Blackwater and Halliburton do the job.
The Capitalist approach as you call it doesn't need old veterans like us to join up, there are brave men and women who volunteer daily for the armed services. They recognize the call to arms in support of their nation and willing join knowing that they may be called into harms way. You try to make it seem like a cattle rancher sending beef to the slaughter house, when in actuality these men and woman honor us with there selfless service.

I hope that your enjoying the freedoms that were gained in your behalf by soldiers past. Oh, and also the products of Capitalism that allow you to be able to live your life and spout your nonsense on your computer. Maybe Capitalists would be willing to help you revert to the dark ages buy taking away those nasty things that you use to live by. You wouldn't want them to exercise their Greed producing products for you, would you?

Guest 10-07-2009 12:04 AM
It's Time to Be Honest
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 228365)
By the way if we add the 40,000 troops to Afghanistan that McChrystal asked for(I hope he has better intel than he had in the Pat Tillman incident) , would all you war supporters on this forum be willing to reup for an indefinite tour? Or why don't we just use the capitalist approach and hire Blackwater and Halliburton do the job.
Vtcyclist

Your post is offensive to all of those who have served this county. My father fought in WWI had after a bullet in list left wrist could no longer perform as a concert violinist – no complaints and no recriminations. My older brother was career Army and served in WWII and Korea. Among his many decorations, a Silver Star and two Purple Hearts - these were not John Kerry Purple Hearts, but rather life threatening wounds. I did not fid out about these until my older son did some research into his uncle’s history. Neither his second wife nor any of his children were told about this by him, but learned from my son.

I was not a career officer, but did serve in Vietnam. I left the service because people like you; Senators McGovern and Church trashed what we had done.

My two sons have both been to Iraq. My older son will go to Afghanistan soon with the Florida National Guard. If you can show me that your family or just you have been committed to this country over the generations, then speak up and show me. If you are one of the many armchair critics, then I suggest you have no idea what you are talking about. Will I go back to war at my age? Get serious. The only thing I could do is endanger the others around me – war is for young men.

I will continue to support not just my sons, but everyone who is willing to put his/her life on the line for this country. Can you say the same? Have you or any member of your family put your ass on the line for America?
Just a few questions.

Guest 10-07-2009 07:41 AM
capitalists
 
My father lost his life in the second World War.

Is that why I am a Capitalist?

Yes probably along with the fact that I believe in GOD have common sense and do not rely on others to take care of me.

a Socialist could never understand this.

Guest 10-07-2009 09:44 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 228373)
The Capitalist approach as you call it doesn't need old veterans like us to join up, there are brave men and women who volunteer daily for the armed services. They recognize the call to arms in support of their nation and willing join knowing that they may be called into harms way. You try to make it seem like a cattle rancher sending beef to the slaughter house, when in actuality these men and woman honor us with there selfless service.

I hope that your enjoying the freedoms that were gained in your behalf by soldiers past. Oh, and also the products of Capitalism that allow you to be able to live your life and spout your nonsense on your computer. Maybe Capitalists would be willing to help you revert to the dark ages buy taking away those nasty things that you use to live by. You wouldn't want them to exercise their Greed producing products for you, would you?
Well said.

God bless our brave troops.

Yoda


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