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Guest 11-01-2015 01:42 PM

I cannot understand why anyone is in favor of a candidate like Ben Carson when he wants to revise the tax system to eliminate all deductions.

Of course, this same thing was proposed by Herman Cain, who also was a non-government candidate and a front-runner for a long time. His popularity went down as quickly as it rose.

Ben is interesting on paper but dull in person. He does not have any excitement in his talking and candidates have to have excitement plus good ideas in order to make it to the nominee stage.

Jeb is down and out. Trump still looks like the candidate to beat.

Guest 11-01-2015 02:07 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1138799)
I cannot understand why anyone is in favor of a candidate like Ben Carson when he wants to revise the tax system to eliminate all deductions.

Of course, this same thing was proposed by Herman Cain, who also was a non-government candidate and a front-runner for a long time. His popularity went down as quickly as it rose.

Ben is interesting on paper but dull in person. He does not have any excitement in his talking and candidates have to have excitement plus good ideas in order to make it to the nominee stage.

Jeb is down and out. Trump still looks like the candidate to beat.

Only liberals need a celebrity president. We need a leader, not an entertainer. Look the present Entertainer-in-chief. All he is good for is a few laughs on SNL. He is the most inept president we've had, including Jimmy "the peanut" Carter. Lets confine celebrities to Hollywood, and replace the current entertainers in D.C. with some decent representatives of the constitution and the American people. Not just the minorities, but ALL the people. I would rather that they sit on their butts and do nothing than having them run amok passing bills, just to pass bills. I'll take a dull bookkeeper, librarian, banker, or doctor over an entertainer any day of the week. I don't what him to be seeking laughs when he gives speeches. I want him to inform, not give advice. I want status reports not divisive attacks on those that don't agree with him. And I want a moratorium on the president's golf for the duration of his term.

Guest 11-01-2015 02:56 PM

It is not an issue until that candidate with that tax plan becomes president and then presents a final draft that will be submitted for review by the various federal auditing agencies . What voters can glean by plans being presented now is a sense of a candidate's thinking on the subject. Beside which most politicians have an insecurity about reduction in tax flow hence taxes always seem to end up going up when they promised they would be gong down

A candidates tax plan is the last thing I use in making my voting decision

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 11-01-2015 03:22 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1138823)
It is not an issue until that candidate with that tax plan becomes president and then presents a final draft that will be submitted for review by the various federal auditing agencies . What voters can glean by plans being presented now is a sense of a candidate's thinking on the subject. Beside which most politicians have an insecurity about reduction in tax flow hence taxes always seem to end up going up when they promised they would be gong down

A candidates tax plan is the last thing I use in making my voting decision

Personal Best Regards:

:agree:

Guest 11-01-2015 04:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1137839)
I also meant to add that when we go war, we should fund it with a war tax, or war bonds.

What a stupid statement. I guess it would be pay as you go. Oh, we don't have enough money to buy bullets, we will have to fight hand to hand. Typical conservative rubbish.

Guest 11-01-2015 04:38 PM

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What a stupid statement. I guess it would be pay as you go. Oh, we don't have enough money to buy bullets, we will have to fight hand to hand. Typical conservative rubbish.

I guess you don't know much of U.S. history. Before making such a ludicrous remark, why not do some research so you don't sound so idiotic?

War bonds were used in WWI and WWII.

Forbes:
"Even during wars closer in magnitude to those in which we are presently engaged, significant sacrifices were made. In 1950 and 1951 Congress increased taxes by close to 4% of GDP to pay for the Korean War, even though the high World War II tax rates were still largely in effect. In 1968, a 10% surtax was imposed to pay for the Vietnam War, which raised revenue by about 1% of GDP. And there was conscription during both wars, which can be viewed as a kind of tax that was largely paid by the poor and middle class–young men from wealthy families largely escaped its effects through college deferments."

Guest 11-01-2015 09:39 PM

[QUOTE=Guest;1138868]I guess you don't know much of U.S. history. Before making such a ludicrous remark, why not do some research so you don't sound so idiotic?


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Why would you feel compelled to make a statement like that? Wouldn't a simple correcting of facts work just as well? If you were discussing this at the dinner table with friends and they made a mistake because they did not know about a surtax during Korea or Vietnam, I hope you would not chastise them with "you sound so idiotic".

BTW, I was not the poster but just believe face to face comments work best.

Thank you.

Guest 11-02-2015 04:54 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1138868)
I guess you don't know much of U.S. history. Before making such a ludicrous remark, why not do some research so you don't sound so idiotic?


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Why would you feel compelled to make a statement like that? Wouldn't a simple correcting of facts work just as well? If you were discussing this at the dinner table with friends and they made a mistake because they did not know about a surtax during Korea or Vietnam, I hope you would not chastise them with "you sound so idiotic".

BTW, I was not the poster but just believe face to face comments work best.

Thank you.

You are right. I should not have replied in kind. Just because he was derisive in his reply, I should have been the better person. The more P.C. person with a P.C. reply.

I would have replied the same way face to face, if someone was dumb enough to call me "stupid" in person. Although, I doubt he would have that much courage, face to face.

Guest 11-02-2015 08:48 AM

I can tell you some taxes that need to be cut. Death taxes, inheritance taxes, and personnel gains tax. why all this money taxes have be paid on, but the lawyer, and the tax codes allows the rich and fed/state gov. To steal personnel wealth form those that not in the loop. Deduction are rich welfare and since tax was invented was to steal from the common people.

Flat tax gets ride of the deduction that allow billionaire to pay less taxes than their Secretaries. Time to get ride all the privilege tax cheaters and the system create nonsense business like need to have somebody to prepare taxes due to the thousands of pages of tax codes.

The federal government should not be allowed to spend more than it takes in.
Good example is the present regime. Raised taxes and still can't spend within the intake. The government has failed the people and should be ran out ot town on rail WITH NO Benifits due to failure. :rant-rave:

Guest 11-02-2015 08:55 AM

Carson said a 15 percent tax on everyone would work because he would eliminate all deductions.

This would have a very bad effect on the housing industry as homeowners count on the mortgage interest deductions. He would also eliminate exemptions for health insurance and retirement savings.

This info can be found on page A6 of today's Daily Sun.

Carson may be very likable but certainly is not Presidential material.

I hope Fiorina was being cutesy when she said she would pare down the tax codes from 70,000 pages down to 3 pages. Agree that 70,000 is ridiculous but 3 pages? Not even realistic.

Winner last night? Christy.[/QUOTE]
Personally being a Rep. I don't think Christy stands a chance. In the end I think it will be either Trump, Carson or Cruz, maybe. I've always said a flat tax would keep the tax cheats from hiding money before they're taxed. Tax them before they can hide it. A flat tax will tax everybody the same.10 or 15% tax won't hurt anybody any more it you make 10 million a yr. or like me $30,000. a yr. We would be in the shape we are now if the rich & the politicians were paying the same tax as the ones trying to make ends meet week by week! All of these candidate polls to me don't mean squat, a lot can change in a yr.

Guest 11-02-2015 09:24 AM

No, Christy has a much better chance of beating Hillary than does Trump, Cruz, or Carson.

Remember, too, it is not the popular vote that wins but the electoral vote. For example, all of Florida's electoral votes will go Democrat thanks to large metropolitan Democratic blocs.

Guest 11-02-2015 11:50 AM

Why is it the one with the nasty remarks is named Guest ?? If you can 't stand up for your liberal philosophy by other than a generic non de plume, its not worth noting. Quite a few here have fought and shed blood for your right to put forth your ideas. And these people would debate you face to face.. Something I gather mr GUEST would not aspire to.

Guest 11-02-2015 01:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1139121)
I can tell you some taxes that need to be cut. Death taxes, inheritance taxes, and personnel gains tax. why all this money taxes have be paid on, but the lawyer, and the tax codes allows the rich and fed/state gov. To steal personnel wealth form those that not in the loop. Deduction are rich welfare and since tax was invented was to steal from the common people.

Flat tax gets ride of the deduction that allow billionaire to pay less taxes than their Secretaries. Time to get ride all the privilege tax cheaters and the system create nonsense business like need to have somebody to prepare taxes due to the thousands of pages of tax codes.

The federal government should not be allowed to spend more than it takes in.
Good example is the present regime. Raised taxes and still can't spend within the intake. The government has failed the people and should be ran out ot town on rail WITH NO Benifits due to failure. :rant-rave:

Just the opposite. That billionaire paid less taxes(on the present system) on his salary because he didn't have a salary. A flat tax would mean that he would pay, say 15% of his earnings and she would pay 15% of her earnings. Now, you do the math.

The best way to get rid of any cheating (and that's iffie) is to go to get rid of income tax and go to a federal sales tax. Then, you would only pay taxes on luxuries such as cars, boats, eating out, liquor, clothes, etc. If you wanted to save money in a bank and accrue interest, then you could without paying taxes on the interest. If a billionaire wanted to buy a car, he would pay sales taxes on it. No more cheating on your income tax. No more tax fraud.


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