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COO until about 1984, then CEO of smaller and progressively larger systems (12-15 hospitals). My last job was number 2 in a publicly traded company.


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Not at all.


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The CBO also said that 23 million more people would be covered by Obamacare when it fact only about 11 million were.

The CBO also said that the cost of medical care would go down when Obamacare was implemented when in fact, it has gone up considerably.

The CBO is wrong more often than it is right. The only reason that they still exist is to provide jobs for politicians.

Proof?

Legitimate link(s)?

Easy to Google and see that what he says is true.

Actually, the link below, complete with charts, etc. validate the CBO accuracy and how well they did with ObamaCare projections.

Here's how well the CBO did at forecasting Obamacare - The Washington Post

CBO on Trumpcare
 

OBAMACARE FACT OF THE DAY
FACT: When Obamacare was signed into law, CBO estimated that 23 million people would be covered in Obamacare’s exchanges in 2017. They were off by more than 100% - nearly 13 million people.

Repeal and Replace Obamacare


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The CBO now says 26 million, but the dumb @ss libtards exaggerate the wording to reflect that they will LOSE their insurance or won't be able to get insurance. It actually means that they will NOT HAVE insurance. Which means that many of them that had been mandated to purchase insurance will no longer be forced to have it or want it, and will drop their insurance. Right now, 31+ million do not have health insurance according to the CBO.

I am and have been since day one opposed to ObamaCare, but at least do your due diligence and use facts. This WH and his followers have made it routine to just lie or make things up.
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"Last year, only 21 million Americans were supposed to be uninsured, according to CBO's initial projections. The actual figure appears to be more like 27 million."

That figure is partially a result of the fact that the CBO could not have anticipated that the Supreme Court would make the expansion of Medicaid optional for states under Obamacare. Many Republican officials chose not to expand the program in their states, resulting in fewer people receiving coverage than initially envisioned."

Here's how well the CBO did at forecasting Obamacare - The Washington Post

The Republican party is and has been well aware of what would or is happening on this, but you are grasping at spin.

This NEVER gets worked out till the day they, BOTH PARTIES, get into a room and do what is best FOR THE COUNTRY.

The Republicans right now have no leadership from the WH and that is hurting them. He does not get it at all and is more interested in talking about himself instead of ACTUALLY WORKING to get health care and it WILL take both sides, but that mean our President may have to "eat crow" on a few of the things he has said, but lets work on what is best for the USA.

You don't like my sources, and I don't believe yours, so let's just agree to disagree.


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As of today there are 31,135,276 without health care insurance. It does not say why. Perhaps they do not WISH to purchase insurance. Maybe they are wealthy and do not require the insurance. We know that if they are on welfare, they get free insurance so what's the big deal about Obiecare?

Your source was the White House.

Why do you think respect for our country has plummeted. They do not tell the truth. They ignore totally the non expansion of medicaire in Republican states.

My source, if you opened the link at all, was the actual,CBO report from the time in question.

BUT, does not change the fact that without the two parties coming together, whatever that is done is simply passing it off. It is a hard, difficult question, not solved by political ideaology but simply asking our elected officials to do the best, without consideration to party crap.

And the CBO has repeatedly and historically been incorrect.


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Perfect...thank you.

So it proves, once again, that MOCPD simply lies and makes things up (or passes on fake right-wing news)...when it suits him.

Color me...NOT shocked. :ohdear:

Don't get excited, don't want to SHlT your pants again.


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People have been saying all along, he has no leadership ability. He is used to pushing people around and thats it.

This guy is not even close to a leader.

He has all the Twitter followers and instead of lobbying and talking about tax reform and/or health care, HE IS STILL INVOLVED IN THE ELECTION THAT TOOK PLACE SEVEN MONTHS AGO

Taking our world standing to a new low and even his own party is trying in nice ways to tell him to "wake up"
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"WASHINGTON — President Trump personally lobbied House Republicans to pass health care legislation this year, but the Trump team’s heavy-handed tactics have been ineffective in the Senate, leaving him on the sidelines while Vice President Mike Pence led the effort to salvage the foundering bill.

..."But the Republican Senate leaders have made it known that they would much rather negotiate with Mr. Pence than the president, according to several White House and congressional officials. And some of the White House’s efforts have clearly been counterproductive.

Mr. McConnell made clear his unhappiness to the White House after a “super PAC” aligned with Mr. Trump started an ad campaign against Senator Dean Heller, Republican of Nevada, when he said last week that he opposed the health care bill."



"The majority leader called the White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, to complain that the attacks were “beyond stupid,” according to two Republicans with knowledge of the tense exchange on Saturday."

As Trump’s Tactics Fall Short, Pence Takes Lead on Health Bill - The New York Times

My information was from the CBO as of today, idiot. Here, let me spoon feed you so that you needy libtards don't mess your pampers. This will give you even more information so that you can see other sites stats such as Bureau of Labor Stats, etc. along with the CBO stats.
U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

No wonder your party is almost defunct. Better start planning your wake. We'll make it rainbow color theme too.

People have been saying he is a great leader too. You choose to believe the liberals...and claim to be Republican. I have no idea how you make that c laim as you have hated every president since Eisenhower. Fvck, you voted Dopey Smurf for president...loser.


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Interesting leader who seems to care nothing about the country...just HIM

(CNN) If President Trump's Twitter feed is the the most direct window into his brain, he is spending more time focused on the various Russia investigations, Hillary Clinton and Democratic Party politics than the health care bill Senate Republicans are planning to vote on this week.



As the health care vote looms, Trump'''s tweets look elsewhere.

The uninsured do use ER's as their primary healthcare provider.

Try this one on.....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwas.../#4198e1c5e618


I hope it's not true but then again I don't trust Paul Ryan or Mitch McConnell.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwas.../#4198e1c5e618

I trust Forbes is a credible source!

COPUFF......

I agree. and the solution is competition. Get the government out of the healthcare business and limit the type of insurance can be written.

When people have to pay for it themselves, the prices will come down to what the market will bear. In addition, we should all have catastrophic coverage so that if something really bad happens we don't lose our homes and estates.

Healthcare prices are inflated because the providers know that the insurance companies are going to demand deep discounts. When you are giving a company 90% of its business you can determine the price. Healthcare providers set prices knowing that insurance companies are only going to pay 20% of what they ask. So if you don't have insurance, you pay 80% more than the insurance companies.

Someone could argue; so do a number of the insured, what is the significance of that??

I believe you were originally trying to say that the uninsured were going to overwhelm the emergency rooms (due to being uninsured?). This comes across to me as a liberal "fear" statement.

I was trying to point out that it does not matter if you have insurance, or not, when you have an emergency (heart attack, been in a car accident), you are taken to the emergency room. I don't believe the ambulance driver will take you to your general practitioners office.

Don't waste your time trying to infer that people with the sniffles or colds are going to be flocking to the emergency room for treatment...the triage nurse at reception will send those on down the road. The emergency rooms are mostly run by subcontractors today and they are doing it for profit. They have no moral or legal duty to aid someone that has a non life threatening condition...

They are a political organization...you'll find propaganda as often as truth.

Those are the ones NOT receiving medicaid. Add them ALL up...EVERYONE receiving some form of government healthcare assistance and it's well over 100 million.

I've hated them ALL...well most anyway...and IF I knew the truth...I'd probably hate them all.

ALL the presidents are there for wealth, power, prestige.

Why? They write propaganda too.

THAT is the problem with the medical industry...they have your life in their hands...they can charge ANYTHING...and they do...there's a LOT of profit in healthcare.

Emergency Departments or EDs in disadvantaged neighborhoods were used as doctor's offices. And no one was sent down the road. Since I retired the end of '09 I don't know if that changed. But be assured that was the case. Ambulances would be sent to other hospitals because the ED was so jammed. And this was every day.

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During the Republican primary, I was excited about the conversations about the ACA. Having opposed the bill that passed, I was thrilled to hear members of the Republican Party speaking of working to FIX the existing bill. I felt it might be a little late, but at least we get it fixed for our country.

Then the loud voices took over, playing to emotion, instead of facts.

Now, this loud mouth yelling is on the precipice of destroying the entire party.

The President simply is so involved in his own petty wars still fighting the election, and has decided to use the biggest "bully pulpit" in the world to look out for him and let the party simply be hung out to dry.

Only Trump could make ObamaCare more popular. And make no mistake...his lies and the lack of trust in him is at the core.

But he sure took a rallying cry and turned it around, and made ObamaCare much more popular.


"A new USA Today/Suffolk University Poll has found that just 12% of Americans support any of the Republican health care bills proving that Trumpcare has turned into a raging inferno that is burning down the Republican Party.

USA Today has the data on their poll, “Just 12% of Americans support the Senate Republican health care plan, a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll finds, amid a roiling debate over whether the GOP will deliver on its signature promise to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act. In the survey, taken Saturday through Tuesday, a 53% majority say Congress should either leave the law known as Obamacare alone or work to fix its problems while keeping its framework intact.”

Republicans Die A Death of 1,000 Obamacare Lies As Just 12% Support GOP Healthcare Bill

White males...who do most of the actual "work" that built this country are now only 25% of the population and decreasing each year. Why would you expect anything to get better? The driver of growth and expansion are dying off...being replaced by 3rd world minorities. Nothing is getting better.

Was your ER ran by a subcontractor in 09? If not, give them a call and see if it is subcontracted out today.

While you got them on the phone ask if they require payment for services rendered, or are they there doing it all for free if someone does not want to pay?




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And look at your home town now. Gov run, leftist run cities turn into ghettos. That's why you are here today, to escape.

They'll NEVER admit it...and they'll slowly try to turn the villages into one of these failures too by pushing for "diversity".

WHITE people make GREAT places to live...Hispanics and blacks do NOT.

The villages is what it is BECAUSE it s 99% white.

Spoken like a true country mouse.

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You mean, "spoken like a true country racist".

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Chi likes to try and insert funny comments, only sometimes funny, but rarely states and defends his positions.

I'm STILL waiting for your black or Hispanic "Villages" clone...ANY place they're the majority that is nice like here.

We're "racist" out of necessity...we point out the differences, the INEQUALITIES and you call us racist.

I prefer the term "Specicist" I'm not tolerant of other species.

Not sure why you are blaming all of this on Trump. Have you not heard/read about all the hysteria from the left? Do you not think the fear mongering regarding healthcare by the left has also contributed to the reported lack of confidence in the public regarding this issue?

CBO on Trumpcare
 

I have proven you wrong and will continue to do so. There is only one species of humans - Homo sapiens. You are not a Specicist. You are a pathetic white supremacist who just spews venom. Personally, I think you are probably in the lower 3% on the scale of human intelligence. There is no true science that you can use, other that the false lies you publish on your website. You can't even refute the article from a recent issue of Nature I linked for you.

Modern humans (Homo sapiens, primarily ssp. Homo sapiens sapiens) are the only extant members of the subtribe Hominina, a branch of the tribe Hominini belonging to the family of great apes. They are characterized by erect posture and bipedal locomotion; high manual dexterity and heavy tool use compared to other animals; and a general trend toward larger, more complex brains and societies.

Now go back to your snake hole. I'm not tolerant of racists like you.


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You didn't prove sh!t...never have...you just claim it. Like blacks CLAIM to be equal with nothing to back it up.

Where is the black equivalent of the villages...the black MIT...it's VERY simple...SHOW me the equality.

"Humans" are THE MOST diverse of any single mammalian species so they COULD fit the Negros into being classified as human. They should have been left out as they have different lineage than ALL the other races. We split in Africa...they stagnated...we interbred with other "Human" species...they did not.

This chart...it's wrong...it has been misdrawn to fit the Negros in. See the Neanderthal branch on the left...where it crosses into the "Human" shaded area...well THAT is the TRUE Human branch. The middle "Human" branch that goes on to spread out encompassing all the continents...it SHOULD stop in Africa...a dead end branch just like Homo Erectus on the right. EVERY race but the Negros...the ones who look NOTHING like the rest of us...have Neanderthal DNA which blacks lack. They are NOT human. It's like calling a mule a horse...it's not it's different...different species different. Except WE COULD mate after the hybridization.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...n_chart-en.svg

The significance is that the law states that a hospital cannot refuse service if a person cannot pay. Uninsured people go to the ER knowing that they will never pay for the services. The hospital calculates how much money they lose by providing this "FREE" service and that money is divided up and included in the bills of the people, or insurance companies that do pay. In other words, those that have insurance or pay themselves are paying for those that do not.