And look at the millions who no longer have insurance because now THEY can no longer afford to buy insurance because they are being forced to pay for those who never did, some simply by choice. What about all the people forced to several part-time jobs because employers cannot meet the mandates for insuring employees?

Do you listen to anything or are you just like Pelosi....if they are for it, then we will be against it? The head of the committee working on this the other day (yes, I watched what he was saying) said that they are fervently working on the new plan and are NOT pulling the rug out from anyone currently on insurance. They are also no longer going to penalize those who can no longer afford to pay the outrageous premiums and deductibles, either. The new plan is to cover those with pre-existing conditions, insure kids living at home to a certain age as is set forth now, make plans transportable across state lines, and other details they are still looking at.

Sounds pretty positive to me. At least there are no plans to 'kick anyone to the curb' and even some of those already on the curb because of this un-Affordable mess will have their suffering lessened.

Hillary brought that up the last election when she was running against Obama.

Can you give a worst case scenario and a best case scenario, from your perspective of course...

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However, the Republicans still have NO plan to be set up as soon as Obamacare gets replaced.

Should we assume you are not aware of the Rand Paul proposal?

Ready to go!

Why isn't it going then?

Because the establishment both R & D are haggling over fly specs in the pepper as usual.

At least I provided statistics...fact based statistics. Obviously you didn't look at the following posts where we discussed there should be a limited!

So why do I think we should continue the welfare program?

Because there but my family would have been my sister. She married a Air Force cadet they had 4 children, when she was pregnant with the 4th child he had an affair. In when my sister was in labor he went to she the mistress. Sweetheart of a guy. I could go on...

When she filed for a separation he immediately retired from the Air Force trying to limit keep her from getting amy of his retirement. She made the 20 year rule by 1 day! She paid her half the the mortgage...he didn't they foreclosed. The family stepped in and helped.

This type of thing happens to women all the time. She had four kids and I forgot he didn't want her to work so no job experience. She worked 3 jobs until her kids were through school and the family provided college money!

What about people who are hurt and don't have disability insurance. They might need help for a while.

But that being said my eyes were opened by 2 things this summer the first was a customer telling me about one of her friends that hadn't worked for more than 15 years. She had a section 8 house with cable tv and the smart phone.

Then I read a book "Hillbilly Elegy" written by a right leaning author who grew up in the RUST BELT and what is happening there now. He talks about people NOT wanting to work because they can get enough from welfare without working. If that is the case welfare has to be reformed!!!

That is just Right Wing BS....Trump started the Birther Movement...

I did leave a post about what happened to my sister and her 4 children. She never when on welfare but she had a close knit family. So women with children whose husbands leave them with little support require time to be trained. As do people laid off due to automation or job loss.
But even those things need to have a limit so day 3-5 years

Best case is a 1-2 who lose a job but have a skill and can find another job.

Ever hear of Google or FactCheck.org. Check 'em out. Hillary brought it up in 2008, first claiming that he was born in Indonesia. There's plenty on YouTube as well.

Amazing what people will believe when they want to believe.

Facts are strange things....they are facts.

Trump has lied so much, so loudly that even he begins, in his alternate universe to believe it.

E"Trump said, "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy."

There is no evidence to support this. Clinton supporters circulated the rumor in the last days of the 2008 Democratic primary and after Clinton had conceded to Obama. But the record does not show Clinton or her campaign ever promoting the birther theory, let alone starting it.

We rate Trump’s claim False."


Fact-checking Donald Trump's claim Hillary Clinton started Obama birther movement | PolitiFact


"After years of denying the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s presidency, it was only in the midst of his own presidential campaign that Donald Trump began falsely claiming Hillary Clinton was the true progenitor of the “birther” conspiracy theory claiming Obama was not born in the United States.

But that’s swapping one discredited claim for another. Numerous fact checks, reports and interviews — in 2008 and 2011, when Trump revived the controversy — revealed that although some Clinton supporters circulated rumors about Obama’s citizenship, the campaign and Clinton herself never trafficked in it.

No, Clinton didn't start the birther thing. This guy did. - POLITICO


"The conspiracy theory was already fully formed at this point. Clearly, the Clinton supporters accused of spreading it via forwarded e-mails knew “good ammo” when they saw it, but, as the above posts show, they deserve neither credit nor blame for the invention of birtherism. "

Did Clinton Supporters Start the 'Birther' Movement?

It IS amazing what people will believe...

Facts? What facts do YOU have about ANY of thisd crap you're talking about? Were you standing there and watched it happen? BOTH sides lie...a LOT. Turn off the damn TV and forget about politics.

Worry about the future you're leaving your granddaughters...a 3rd world hell. The colored boys are gonna love her...

READ EM AND WEEP:

Donald Trump’s birther tweets, in order.

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Worry about the future you're leaving your granddaughters...a 3rd world hell. The colored boys are gonna love her...[/QUEUE]

Another RACIST statement, the hits just keep coming!!!!!

[QUOTE=Guest]The TRUTHS just keep coming...

Tell me...what happens to schools that become a majority minority? A majority black, majority Hispanic?

Go ahead...tell me...in your own words...

Does it get better? Does it get safer? Do the standards go up or down? Do sexual assaults go up or down?

I think you KNOW what happens to a "diversified" school...the same thing that happens to a diversified neighborhood, town, city...it turns into a pile of violent sh!t. MLK Blvd is America's future...

The Colorado weed is mighty potent. Makes liberals out of ordinary people.