:agree: I lived in a small town in Northern New Jersey....

So doesn't the Bible say these things:

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Cologal,

Try as one might, you cannot reason with bigotry - and that is exactly what most of this is - just plain ignorance and bigotry.

We could go all the way back to when the cave man dragged his woman around by the hair.

What matters is what is the situation today? Aren't we glad some species of the human race have eveolved to the point we no longer do what was done in days of old in practice or in religious records.

Other members of the human race have "elected" not to evolve from past practice or religious records. And that is fine......... as long as their mission is not to take over other entities/lives of others. And I am not stating that any one or another does or does not. Simply that it exists.

btk

Thanks for the comment as it is a part of my point. The other part is that religion is practiced by man and as we are human sometimes we can we led astray. Anything taken to an extreme leads to trouble.

Are you Christian? I can't imagine any Christian believing that the things you say are being taught, or have been taught for the past several hundred years or so.

I've lived as a Christian for 62 years now and have never in all my education and instruction or religious retreat been instructed in the antiquated views you mention. Were you taught these things?

You try to hard to equate ancient Christian beliefs that have been discarded by modern Christianity with the present day call for slaughter of infidels, particularly Jews, that the Islamic religion demands of it's adherents as we speak.

I wish I knew the value of this self-hating rhetoric.

Fervent and faithful followers of the tenets of modern day Islam are guilty of the murder of at least 39 Christians and the maiming of many more in the bombing attacks of a Catholic Church on Christianity's holiest day of the year in Nigeria.

Need I say more?

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111226/D9RS4CC00.html

Richie....

Do they exist in the Bible...yes they do and parts of the old testament are still being used today against minorities. I can still see the signs about mixing the tribes in the school desegregation protests in the 60's. How about the bible being used against homosexuals. All of that is in the last 62 years.

Back at ya....

http://atheistoasis.wordpress.com/20...ms-in-nigeria/

I do not recall Catholics being accused of murder, chopping off of heads or killing those who did not believe in the Pope during the Kennedy run for President !!!! Whether in this country or not.

I have to admit I've never seen this story and am surprised that Christians are hitting back at Islamists. I don't condone the killing of innocents which is very typical of Islamists and in this isolated case of Christians acting likewise. (Yes, "isolated") It is not the Christian way to seek revenge this way.

It's on your own conscience to continue to equate modern day Christian teachings with modern day Islamist teachings. I think it rather sad.

You have quoted the Old Testament... The laws in the Old Testament were given to show us that no one can live by the Law and show us our need for someone to take our place in the punishment. That is why Jesus came. He fullfilled the Law and took our punishment. In exchange, He give us the gift of eternal life, that we could never achieve, through obedience to the Law, on our own.
Please quote the New Testament where you see promotion of literal punishments for sin/breaking the law. Doubt you will find it as it is pure good news and mercy.
Can you find this kind of unconditional love, mercy and grace in exchange for just punishment in the Quaran?

it seems to me that all religions are used by MAN to promote violence against non-believers and Christianity is no different. I really do not think that God was real happy with the crusades the Spanish Inquisition or the slaughter of native Americans in the name of converting the pagans to the true religion. I think the same can be said of the Islamic God,dont think he is too happy either . I guess what I'm saying is once humans get involved we will find a way to screw up what should be a simple exercise in belief.

I have need read the Koran so I cannot comment. I respect your beliefs as I also respect the faiths of others. It is why I get upset when I say Happy Holidays and get accused of taking Christ out of Christmas...I have Jewish friends as well.

:agree:

Christians of today GOOD
Muslims of today BAD

No prejudice, just simple fact. It is repulsive to compare any religion to the Islamic faith. All other faiths are a least close in their actions. Islamics kill for very primitive reasons. They are very close to Neanderthal in their beliefs. To say Christians are no different sickens me. I am quite sure you do not believe it and just write what you do for a reaction, but keep in mind the killing of innocents that you say is no different than Christianity of today when you make such outrageous statements. God Bless You.

Both Christians and Muslims have radical sects in them. It is not right to condemn all for the criminal actions of some.

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States. A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ. The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was a belief that abortion is criminal and immoral, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.

This is terrorism with strong Christian ties - but it cannot be used to say that all Christians are in favor of killing abortion doctors.

On the isolated point we would have to talk, however I would agree that it is not the Christian way.

I work closely with a Jewish physician. He puts on a wonderful Christmas dinner for the staff, complete with Christmas gifts and a "Merry Christmas" to us as the day ends. We send him and the Mrs a Lobster-Gram with the message "Happy Hannukah" on the card...Why can we not call each holiday by what it is? I don't wish muslim colleagues happy holidays during Ramadan-its Ramadan. I think that show far more respect and compassion towards our diversities.
As far as the politically correct holiday greetings, this is just one more way to cause and perpetuate animosity and division. A diversity problem for the liberals among us to "fix"-complete with specialists and training to help us know better. It is what it is.

Hogwash. What you say is one small hand full out of a million Christians yet it would apply to hundreds of thousands out of a million Muslims. I do not approve of the killing of abortion doctors even to protect the unborn, yet those that do and you do not have to be a Christian to want to save the unborn babies, is far fetched to compare them to Islamic Jehad's. This thread makes me ashamed to have any liberal thoughts and I say that because those in favor of open acceptance of Muslim teachings seems to follow liberal partisan lines.

I think the big difference is that Christianity teaches to pray for and love our others including our "enemies".
Islam teaches killing of infidels...No one can quote the Quran where it teaches differently.

These are the facts, facts that don't change whether one is liberal or conservative. Truth does not change like that.

So the Gallup poll that I pointed to was a complete pack of lies?

Are you REALLY saying that you don't believe what people are reporting - that you believe what you believe and nothing will sway you?

...and by "we", I mean Americans. THat could be extended to an example in my own life. Back before I found out I was Hispanic (didn't know I was adopted), I thought I was Irish. At the time (1981) in other lacations (like Norther Ireland) an Irish Catholic marrying an Irish Protestant (my ex-wife Lisa) would have been cause to grab your guns.

Not here.

SO, the message I got from the fundamentalist Christian operator of the Nor'Easter BBS who said "The only reason I don't see you burned is because it's against the (civil/secular) law" doesn't count?

The bombings and assasinations in Northern Ireland don't count?

political reasons
 

an irish friend of mine told me years ago that the "troubles" in Ireland have a lot more to do with wanting the British out of Ireland than religious reasons, and i imagine many religious wars have political and tribal undertones...but the point is that most religions themselves do not TEACH killing as a way to spread and evangelize...whereas killing of the infidel is intrinsic in Islam. it is more than a religion, it is an ideology.

I think it is time to go back and read the original post for this thread!!

btk

Admin -

Why not close this thread down? It has gone on way too long and is showing the people who might be interested in moving to The Villages that there are those who are intolerant of other religions and cultures.

People know of the Republican and basically conservative nature of The Villages when they move in - but to show bigotry and religious intolerance is another issue.

I say it is time to close this thread down. The discussions are not bringing up anything new to anyone. Thank you.

religious intolerance and bigotry? or sharing of facts that are difficult to accept?

....close minded, sick little lambs. Very much like cult followers... I'm unpleasantly surprised. How can people of the same religious backgrounds see things so differently? Way too much intolerance.

I'll second the closing of this thread.

X

Kind of childish. You don't have to contribute to this thread; you can just ignore it. This is a forum of differing ideas and not your personal platform or a platform of your view of what a Villager should believe.

Liberals are starting to get very intolerant of opposing ideas. Hey!!; now I know why you admire Islamists. You guys have something in common!! What an epiphany.

I agree! Nobody forcing anyone to read this thread or any other. No reason to close a thread just because you disagree with other peoples opinions.

For liberal progressives, that is the best reason to close a thread!

I don't see this as a politically correct thing....but you conservatives continue to label everything and everyone into a box of your design. I greet my Christian friends with Merry Christmas and my Jewish friends with Happy Hanukkah however if I don't know a persons religion then I say Happy Holidays. I am trying to be religiously sensitive...not a bad thing to be.

This is complete crap... as a 100%, second generation Irishman I am offended. To say the troubles are not religiously based. As a case in point when I was younger I wanted to wear green on St Patrick's Day so I put on the only dress that had green in it. When my father saw me he told me to turn around and change my dress. The problem was the dress was orange and green. His statement that day was "No child of mine will wear orange on St. Patrick's Day. And I didn't and still haven't for nearly 50 years. The Catholic's hate the Orangeman with good reason.

So, since it is the Muslim religion that gives them permission to kill all infidels, then I would be an intolerant person to not want them to do that to me. I try to see both sides of the issue, but to say it is religious intolerance to defend yourself from a violent group set out to kill you to honor their god and beliefs, then yes I am intolerant of that and proud of it. When you get to much touchy feely, you are reminding me of the communal living hippies of the 60's. That sure turned out to change the world. Give peace a chance is a great thing, but when that does not work, its time to bring out Mr Colt and settle the problem once and for all. Allow this country to over populate with Muslims and your children and grandchildren will feel the pain of that mistake.

maybe we need a forum on religious tolerance and intolerance, then the political forum would become one of the more tolerant forums (just kidding)!!

btk

For all of you who claim to be Christians and yet are in favor of "getting out Mr Colt" and not allowing Muslims to overpopulate the country or not thinking this forum has gotten into religious intolerance and bigotry; show the thread to your minister or priest - ask their opinion.

No one is forcing me to participate in this forum. I enjoy hearing what my neighbors have to say but it does scare me to know how intolerant some really are. I know some are posting just to get under my skin and that will not work. I also know some post just to hear themself talk.

I don't think anyone is trying to offend you, at least I hope not. It is just that what you consider intolerance is really self preservation. We are not talking about a Hindu burning incense or those that practice chanting or meditation. We are talking about cold blooded murderers. Try to understand the difference. Muslims are violent to each other as well as us. Keep it in the middle east, but if you intend to move to this country, you must condemn all of the violent beliefs of the Islamic faith. Even to refer to me as an infidel is an insult when you are standing on US soil. So:::: You want to live and act like a heathen, then go to a country that will TOLERATE that mindless violence.

Just as I will not lump all Christians in with the senior Catholic heirarchy who, by their actions, condone child rape, I will not do the same of all Muslims.

I will not judge all Tea Partiers by those few racist degenerates that invaded some of the rallies.

I will not judge the Occupy movement because there were two communists and an anarchist in Boston.

Granted I can only guarantee that I'll *try* not to. I'm not perfect by ANY stretch of the imagination.

In short, I will not judge the whole because of the actions of a few.

I agree totally. But, to bring us full circle, if one is a Muslim that follows the beliefs of KILL INFIDELS, STONE WOMEN FOR MINOR OFFENSES etc. etc. I will not condone nor tolerate that. My point for this thread was Sharia Law and Islamic violent customs gaining support in our US Courts and or changing our laws. If you wish to come here and be a good law abiding American, then come on down, but a good Muslim cannot IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR FAITH, follow our laws and customs.

In the end, this is a nation founded on Christianity and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Note the closing in the opening prayer of the first congress quoted at the end here.

History of the Chaplaincy
Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution states: "The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers."

The election of the Rev. William Linn as Chaplain of the House on May 1, 1789, continued the tradition established by the Continental Congresses of each day's proceedings opening with a prayer by a chaplain. The early chaplains alternated duties with their Senate counterparts on a weekly basis. The two conducted Sunday services for the Washington community in the House Chamber every other week.

Since the election of Rev. Linn in 1789, the House has been served by chaplains of various religious denominations, including Baptist (7), Christian (1), Congregationalist (2), Disciples of Christ (1), Episcopalian (4), Lutheran (1), Methodist (16), Presbyterian (15), Roman Catholic (1), Unitarian (2), and Universalist (1).

In addition to opening proceedings with prayer, the Chaplain provides pastoral counseling to the House community, coordinates the scheduling of guest chaplains, and arranges memorial services for the House and its staff. In the past, Chaplains have performed marriage and funeral ceremonies for House members.

Chaplains of the House
(1789–Present)
Date of Appointment Chaplain Denomination
May 1, 1789 The Reverend William Linn Presbyterian......

http://chaplain.house.gov/chaplaincy/history.html

First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774

The Prayer in the First Congress, A.D. 1774
O Lord our Heavenly Father, high and mighty King of kings, and Lord of lords, who dost from thy throne behold all the dwellers on earth and reignest with power supreme and uncontrolled over all the Kingdoms, Empires and Governments; look down in mercy, we beseech Thee, on these our American States, who have fled to Thee from the rod of the oppressor and thrown themselves on Thy gracious protection, desiring to be henceforth dependent only on Thee. To Thee have they appealed for the righteousness of their cause; to Thee do they now look up for that countenance and support, which Thou alone canst give. Take them, therefore, Heavenly Father, under Thy nurturing care; give them wisdom in Council and valor in the field; defeat the malicious designs of our cruel adversaries; convince them of the unrighteousness of their Cause and if they persist in their sanguinary purposes, of own unerring justice, sounding in their hearts, constrain them to drop the weapons of war from their unnerved hands in the day of battle!

Be Thou present, O God of wisdom, and direct the councils of this honorable assembly; enable them to settle things on the best and surest foundation. That the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that order, harmony and peace may be effectually restored, and truth and justice, religion and piety, prevail and flourish amongst the people. Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior. Amen.
Reverend Jacob Duché
Rector of Christ Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
September 7, 1774, 9 o’clock a.m.

http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.html