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Guest 10-19-2015 08:41 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1131778)
These people calling our President childish names is disgusting and I automatically stop reading the rest of the post. Your ignorance of the subject is shown when you spew such un-American views. Moreover the facts are that your next President will be a Democrat again, so please learn to deal with that.

Not sure who the next President will be but totally agree with your take on how so many posts here degrade the Presidency to the point of disrespecting the Office and what it stands for.

Guest 10-19-2015 08:43 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1131793)
Not sure who the next President will be but totally agree with your take on how so many posts here degrade the Presidency to the point of disrespecting the Office and what it stands for.

Sort of brings back memories of the last 4 years of the Bush presidency doesnt it ?

We think we are so important in this country as we go through all this gossip talk and degrade our leaders and ignore what is really happening in the world.

Guest 10-19-2015 08:50 AM

Those who read here will note correctly that almost 100% of the posts on this forum are aimed PERSONALLY at an INDIVIDUAL with name calling being the preference.

Issues are basically ignored and it almost seems to be a crime here to talk about an issue.

And to those who fear for criticism of our leader in Washington DC....listen up

Obama is the President of the United States. He sets the direction of the country and sets the tone of the country.

As some enjoy saying....elections have consequences.

One of those consequences is that you might get elected and when you do, you have responsibility and you WILL be criticized, even if you claim perfection as many suggest our current President does claim.

We sure have very short memories, EXCEPT when we need to find something to say that might reflect on a PERSON and not an issue.

This entire thread, in the middle of an election cycle with the world in turmoil is a monument to having our heads in the sand.

What relevance does whether Bush campaigns for anyone have at this point ?

Should not issues be discussed, including the character of the candidates ?

CANDIDATES, not past Presidents.......this entire thread was set up to divert any discussion from criticising our current candidates.

Guest 10-19-2015 10:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1131793)
Not sure who the next President will be but totally agree with your take on how so many posts here degrade the Presidency to the point of disrespecting the Office and what it stands for.

Most of us do in fact have respect for the office and position of POTUS.
Just because we do not support or disagree with what the incumbent does is of no consequence or disrespect for the presidency; the man in office at the time.

That would be Obama. To ANY experienced executive, after viewing Obama's work ethic, promises made VS promises kept, racial bias, total incompetance at international level for just one year the only conclusion would be to remove him from the job for lack of performance. It is, for me that simple. The man is all talk. No substance proven time and time again over the past 7 years.

If it were not for the permissive nature of our country these days PLUS the fact that he is black PLUS the silent majority doing nothing.....he would have been gone long before now.

Party loyalty is one thing. Tolerance of incompetence at the expense of the welfare of we the people and the USA is quite another. There are much more qualified democrats to take Obama's place.....our no balls, offend nobody society just can't/won't deal with it.

Guest 10-19-2015 10:19 AM

I respect the position of president. However, I do not respect Obama. I didn't respect him when he was running for president and I still haven't changed my mind other than to be more firm in my disrespect. He doesn't respect me, or most Americans, so I feel no obligation.

Obama was only elected because he is black. Sorry, but true. He has maintained his position as president only because he is black. No other president, including Bill Clinton would have gotten away with the policies and abuse that he has gotten away with. Since the only thing different about him that may explain how he gets away with his actions, is that he is black then that is a logical conclusion for his immunity.

Speaking fact and truth does not make one racist. If anyone has a better answer for how he gets away with his abuse of power, other than his ethnicity, I would be interested in hearing it.

If Ben Carson gets nominated, I will vote for him in the general election. So, before accusing me of being a racist, you better come up with some evidence. Obama is racist, not me. We do have something in common though. We both enjoy BBQ.

Guest 10-19-2015 01:13 PM

I doubt that the public will ever see very much of either Bush or Cheney ever again. Only the extreme right wing tea partyers consider them popular figures!

Guest 10-19-2015 01:17 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1131993)
I doubt that the public will ever see very much of either Bush or Cheney ever again. Only the extreme right wing tea partyers consider them popular figures!

More BS!!

Guest 10-19-2015 01:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1131993)
I doubt that the public will ever see very much of either Bush or Cheney ever again. Only the extreme right wing tea partyers consider them popular figures!

Yes, the Bush family is pretty popular. GW Bush has probably been more instrumental in ridding AIDS in Africa than any other person/agency. But, of course he hasn't had time to play act on SNL as much as the current celebrity-in-chief. Bush was president of ALL Americans, not just the liberal/socialist party. Can't remember every hearing Bush slur the Democrats while sitting as president. I have to admit, both Cheney and Biden have something in common. Cheney has bad aim with his shotgun and Biden wants to shoot up in the air if he has an intruder with his shotgun.

Guest 10-19-2015 03:06 PM

Obama will open a race representation consortium in partnership with Sharpton and Jackson.

That means we will be seeing him as much or more than we do now.

His wife will go back to being disresctful of the USA as she stated she was before getting on the gravy train.

She could also be a 4th in the above consortium.

Guest 10-19-2015 03:23 PM

Strange that the curse of W thread has morphed into Obama being black. Or is it?

Guest 10-19-2015 03:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132082)
Strange that the curse of W thread has morphed into Obama being black. Or is it?

Sorry Chi, would it make you feel all fuzzy inside if I was bit more PC and say, Obama is half-white? White didn't get him the job, and white didn't allow him to keep his job. Sometimes the truth is just too obvious for some folks. Lets face it, if another president tried to get away with half the things this president has done, there would have been threats of impeachment or worst.

Guest 10-19-2015 05:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132082)
Strange that the curse of W thread has morphed into Obama being black. Or is it?

You know, CHI, I very seldom agree with you but on this one I do agree. It is strange...

HOWEVER and very important even more strange is how and why this thread even exists.

Let us review the OP on this thread and help me understand why it was begun. It surely had nothing to do with the current election cycle, as it was presented.

You folks just refuse to accept anything as being a bit over the top. These things get twisted totally and all of a sudden we are to feel sorry for the President being attacked, much as Bush was for 8 years.

Sorry....read the OP. This thread was begun to attack someone who has not been in office for 8 years and as a diversion.

However becoming anything racial is a problem so I agree with at least your premise but I also know that sensitivity to race is not what you are concerned about because if Obama said something race related you would be praising him no matter what or how he said it.

Guest 10-19-2015 06:42 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132147)
You know, CHI, I very seldom agree with you but on this one I do agree. It is strange...

HOWEVER and very important even more strange is how and why this thread even exists.

Let us review the OP on this thread and help me understand why it was begun. It surely had nothing to do with the current election cycle, as it was presented.

You folks just refuse to accept anything as being a bit over the top. These things get twisted totally and all of a sudden we are to feel sorry for the President being attacked, much as Bush was for 8 years.

Sorry....read the OP. This thread was begun to attack someone who has not been in office for 8 years and as a diversion.

However becoming anything racial is a problem so I agree with at least your premise but I also know that sensitivity to race is not what you are concerned about because if Obama said something race related you would be praising him no matter what or how he said it.

:boom:

Guest 10-20-2015 06:02 AM

Obama IS black, so what's the complaint about talking racial when his whole two terms has been one big racial demonstration? Since when does an American sissy away from a subject IF the subject suggests the obvious? If you don't think that Obama has been given special consideration (AKA Affirmative Action) then you are in denial. No one knew of him, and he gets elected. Why? Because he would be the first black president, AND he was offering minorities HAND OUTS. Example: https://youtu.be/_Ojd13kZlCA
Or, you can check out what they tell us about free Obama cell phones. And yes, it was an earlier program that has morphed way out of proportion with the cell phones.

If a person achieves a position based primarily on his ethnicity then it really IS racist. If a person is given special passes on behavior that the average person would be punished for, based solely on his ethnicity then it IS racist. But, the racism is not coming from those that suggest it. It is coming from that person's belief that he is "owed" special consideration because of his ethnicity.

So, be PC if you wish, but some of us will be honest and speak the obvious. If anyone is offended by the truth, then they must live in a glass house and need to be real careful.
Being truthful does not make one hateful, unless the intent is to hurt. Stating the obvious should not be considered hateful.

Guest 10-20-2015 08:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132316)
Obama IS black, so what's the complaint about talking racial when his whole two terms has been one big racial demonstration? Since when does an American sissy away from a subject IF the subject suggests the obvious? If you don't think that Obama has been given special consideration (AKA Affirmative Action) then you are in denial. No one knew of him, and he gets elected. Why? Because he would be the first black president, AND he was offering minorities HAND OUTS. Example: https://youtu.be/_Ojd13kZlCA
Or, you can check out what they tell us about free Obama cell phones. And yes, it was an earlier program that has morphed way out of proportion with the cell phones.

If a person achieves a position based primarily on his ethnicity then it really IS racist. If a person is given special passes on behavior that the average person would be punished for, based solely on his ethnicity then it IS racist. But, the racism is not coming from those that suggest it. It is coming from that person's belief that he is "owed" special consideration because of his ethnicity.

So, be PC if you wish, but some of us will be honest and speak the obvious. If anyone is offended by the truth, then they must live in a glass house and need to be real careful.
Being truthful does not make one hateful, unless the intent is to hurt. Stating the obvious should not be considered hateful.

The attached clip was a perfect closing argument.

Guest 10-20-2015 09:07 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132402)
The attached clip was a perfect closing argument.

You know, while that clip is authentic I do not like it. It is out of context and plays to the race.

Having said that.....why in the world should this President be given a pass ?

Have you seen some of the mean vicious George Bush videos ? Are they ok ?

Why is it that this President gets a defense ?

Sort of like Black Lives Matter instead of ALL Lives Matter !!!

What makes this President immune to what others have had to endure ????

I sure hope that CHI will respond since he/she is the most offended on any criticism of this President. He is not alone, I assure you.

Guest 10-20-2015 10:07 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132422)
You know, while that clip is authentic I do not like it. It is out of context and plays to the race.

Having said that.....why in the world should this President be given a pass ?

Have you seen some of the mean vicious George Bush videos ? Are they ok ?

Why is it that this President gets a defense ?

Sort of like Black Lives Matter instead of ALL Lives Matter !!!

What makes this President immune to what others have had to endure ????

I sure hope that CHI will respond since he/she is the most offended on any criticism of this President. He is not alone, I assure you.

There is criticism and then there is blatant mean spirited hostility. I am OK with the former but offended by the latter. I was not a fan of 43, but when someone threw a shoe at him I was incensed. The Predident of the United States represents the greatest democracy in history. Vile caustic insults degrade us all. If one disagrees with a President state your views with respect to the Office and vote.

Guest 10-20-2015 12:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132474)
There is criticism and then there is blatant mean spirited hostility. I am OK with the former but offended by the latter. I was not a fan of 43, but when someone threw a shoe at him I was incensed. The Predident of the United States represents the greatest democracy in history. Vile caustic insults degrade us all. If one disagrees with a President state your views with respect to the Office and vote.

Most of us do respect the office of the president. It is the current turkey in it's possession that some of us do not care to support.

And I do think there are some who really do think that we should respect and support whoever is in office. And we all know that does not work, right. Want proof? Recall some of the multitudes of swipes and snipes at 'W' Bush.

Nothing more need be stated. And this is not directed at the quoted poster above.

Guest 10-20-2015 12:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132474)
There is criticism and then there is blatant mean spirited hostility. I am OK with the former but offended by the latter. I was not a fan of 43, but when someone threw a shoe at him I was incensed. The Predident of the United States represents the greatest democracy in history. Vile caustic insults degrade us all. If one disagrees with a President state your views with respect to the Office and vote.

OK Chi.....your premise I totally agree with you on. I try very hard to walk the line and try to always give respect, even to the man and not just the office.

The problem I have and we have, and will not beat this to death because it is not something done without its own thread.

This President IS black, and HAS invested himself into the racial conversation on many occasions and done so in an hypocritical manner ("I wont talk about an ongoing investigation while talking about an ongoing racial investigation).

That makes it tough, but that is no excuse for some of the blatant racial slurs made on him making color, rather than his performance or issue the main topic.

Guest 10-20-2015 02:41 PM

Like I said before, I do respect the office/position of president. However, I do not respect the man, in this case Obama. He is no better than me, less experienced and less qualified than me. However, he was elected and I give him his due until he works against the wishes of America and Americans. He does not respect me, so I am not required to respect him. He is NOT deity and NOT the liberal/socialist messiah, even though he is a socialist and ultra radical. He is given special passes and treated as if he is not expected to excel in his job, why? Give me one good reason why he is not held as accountable as his predecessors? Why is he treated like a handicapped child? Why does everyone have to be especially forgiving in regards to his major blunders? If you can give me one good reason, other than his ethnicity, they you are pulling a rabbit out of your behind.

If your only come back is that I am a racist and/or bigot, then you have failed and I am correct.
Am I a bigot? Am I a racist?
I will vote for Ben Carson if he receives the nomination.
I will vote for Fiorina if she receives the nomination.

I will not vote for Hilary. Does that make me a sexist?
But, I will also not vote for Sanders, the socialist.

I am not the racist. Obama is the racist. Obama is receiving benefits due to his ethnicity. Obama is excused from being right or wrong, due to his ethnicity. He is allowed to abuse the power of his position, because of.....

If you think you will put me on the defensive by calling me a racist or bigot, think again. That only works on someone that cares.

Guest 10-20-2015 02:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132575)
Like I said before, I do respect the office/position of president. However, I do not respect the man, in this case Obama. He is no better than me, less experienced and less qualified than me. However, he was elected and I give him his due until he works against the wishes of Ameripca and Americans. He does not respect me, so I am not required to respect him. He is NOT deity and NOT the liberal/socialist messiah, even though he is a socialist and ultra radical. He is given special passes and treated as if he is not expected to excel in his job, why? Give me one good reason why he is not held as accountable as his predecessors? Why is he treated like a handicapped child? Why does everyone have to be especially forgiving in regards to his major blunders? If you can give me one good reason, other than his ethnicity, they you are pulling a rabbit out of your behind.

If your only come back is that I am a racist and/or bigot, then you have failed and I am correct.
Am I a bigot? Am I a racist?
I will vote for Ben Carson if he receives the nomination.
I will vote for Fiorina if she receives the nomination.

I will not vote for Hilary. Does that make me a sexist?
But, I will also not vote for Sanders, the socialist.

I am not the racist. Obama is the racist. Obama is receiving benefits due to his ethnicity. Obama is excused from being right or wrong, due to his ethnicity. He is allowed to abuse the power of his position, because of.....

If you think you will put me on the defensive by calling me a racist or bigot, think again. That only works on someone that cares.

No, I am not going to refer to you as a racist (even though you are one) or a bigot ( even though you are one), i will just be content in KNOWING you are IGNORANT. Not only are you ignorant, you are not relevant. Life has passed you by and you have been left on the side of the road like a squashed armadillo.

Guest 10-20-2015 03:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132583)
No, I am not going to refer to you as a racist (even though you are one) or a bigot ( even though you are one), i will just be content in KNOWING you are IGNORANT. Not only are you ignorant, you are not relevant. Life has passed you by and you have been left on the side of the road like a squashed armadillo.

You are a typical liberal, with no facts to support you. You have no meat on the bone. I made valid statements and your only response is that I am "ignorant." You do know that your stupid reply indicates your ignorance, right?

You do not know me, therefore you cannot presume my racism or bigotry. I have made valid points and offered you a chance to correct me. Your response is childish offense.

Saying I am not "relevant" is pretty humorous, but disappointing. Your pathetic reply is so sad and I feel empathy for you. I will pray for your enlightenment.

Please feel free to produce a comment that will make someone think you are "relevant." I am sure that I speak for several on here when I say that we will be waiting on the edges of our seats with bated breath.

Guest 10-20-2015 04:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132583)
No, I am not going to refer to you as a racist (even though you are one) or a bigot ( even though you are one), i will just be content in KNOWING you are IGNORANT. Not only are you ignorant, you are not relevant. Life has passed you by and you have been left on the side of the road like a squashed armadillo.

You allow charges of racism and bigotry to roll off your tongue with such ease and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR VILE AND CRUDE ALLEGATIONS.

A MAN would be able to back up what he says; a child simply continues to call names.

I see nothing that poster typed that suggested even remotely that your horrible and vulgar charges have even a shred of credibility.

Why is it so easy for you to call out such vile things, just on the fly ?

If you are who I think you are, you really need to examine what is happening.

When your only offer in a discussion is to call some one vile names, without even having the b@&&$ to back it up, there is a problem honestly.l

Guest 10-20-2015 06:31 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132648)
You allow charges of racism and bigotry to roll off your tongue with such ease and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR VILE AND CRUDE ALLEGATIONS.

A MAN would be able to back up what he says; a child simply continues to call names.

I see nothing that poster typed that suggested even remotely that your horrible and vulgar charges have even a shred of credibility.

Why is it so easy for you to call out such vile things, just on the fly ?

If you are who I think you are, you really need to examine what is happening.

When your only offer in a discussion is to call some one vile names, without even having the b@&&$ to back it up, there is a problem honestly.l

BS!

Guest 10-20-2015 08:13 PM

In the meantime look at how great the Liberal Thought and Lifestyle Experts have built up the cities they have dominated since about 1967 --- I give you Detroit ! Chicago !!
Buffalo !! Newark !!! Baltimore !!!!! Washington DC !!!!
St. Louis
Nice going folks nice going !!

Guest 10-21-2015 03:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1132735)
In the meantime look at how great the Liberal Thought and Lifestyle Experts have built up the cities they have dominated since about 1967 --- I give you Detroit ! Chicago !!
Buffalo !! Newark !!! Baltimore !!!!! Washington DC !!!!
St. Louis
Nice going folks nice going !!

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