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Guest 08-09-2016 01:36 PM
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Excellent post! :BigApplause:

It does however, create a problem.

Per some people, I am the only left-leaning person here.

I guess you just disabused them of that hope. :D

While taking credit for your well written and time consuming post refuting some right-wingnuts simplistic screeching, would be an honor...no way my integrity and ethics would allow that.

Once again...outstanding job! :thumbup:

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CNM
My guess is about 8 lefties.

Guest 08-09-2016 02:25 PM
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I also don't care if you are for or against him.
My hunch is you were the only other person so far to watch it.

He was so different, I wonder who did the coaching. It was out of character. People say that he is always himself. That's the real Donald but that's not what you saw today, was it?

You are so transparent. In all your guises.

Guest 08-09-2016 02:35 PM
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You are so transparent. In all your guises.
Is this the resurrection of the Sybil theory? I'm the one you thought was one person with many different voices.

Anyway--
Here's my favorite part of the speech that helps people like us:

"Trump presented his pledge to repeal the estate tax, worth an estimated $25bn a year, as a boon for the working class, but it only applies applies to estates larger than $5.45m for individuals, or $10.9m for married couples – in effect, people like himself and his children."

Now I will be able to give my kids the $11 million I've been saving up.

Guest 08-09-2016 02:58 PM
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The person that I was responding to called me "a needy one, or a libtard bleeding heart. Take a look at the first sentence of my post. I said that I doubted that I was responding to the person that started this thread, which would be you.

I did watch the speech, and my first post was more about details of the speech rather than his appearance, which all the respondents were to that point. Then, I got attacked by the flat taxers.

AP fact check: How does Donald Trump's economic plan hold up? | PBS NewsHour

Trump might have changed his tone, but he still lives in his own fact free zone.

Independent government agencies have put numbers on his economic proposals, as well as Hillary's. They have projected that his plan will add between 7-10 trillion to the national debt over ten years. Hillary would add less than 1 trillion over ten years.

Reagan, Bush Sr., and Clinton all cut taxes, but they were all revenue neutral. The cut expense to offset the loss of revenue. That was Republican 101. You don't add to the debt. Trump, and Hillary didn't cut any of the existing programs. Trump is relying totally on a doubling of the GDP. That is an incredible roll of the dice.

This is for Mr. Libtard also, who mentioned the recent recovery under Obama. Things have changed with the world economy. This last recovery took time, because of changes in the world economy. Blaming Obama for the changes are just Republican talking points to the undereducated that care less about details. Production jobs in great number have left the U.S. Making the assumption that cutting taxes will put more money in people's pockets; therefore, everything will be peachy keen again.

The tax rate cuts that he is proposing are going to the wealthy. Middle class aren't going to see much more in their pockets. The tax rate cuts will benefit the upper classes you would expect coming from the advisors that he used.

He intends to cut the corporate tax for 35% to 15%. There is a real big problem there. Professional organizations (ie. attorneys, accountants, Wall Street ) have been using the LLC laws to reduce their tax burden. Instead of paying the 39.% rate as an individual, they are paying the corporate rate 35%, and get to deduct expense they wouldn't have been able to do as a private citizen. As corporations these people that add little production to the economy will have their tax rate lowered by 20% with no benefit to the economy.

Trump didn't or include in his proposal how he was going to pay for the inter structure changes he wants to make. It has been estimated that it would cost three trillion over ten years to correct. They estimated that only 1/3 of the changes made sense due to the cost.

Again given the state of the world economy, relying of an doubling of the GDP just isn't smart.

He will probably upset many countries with his renegotiations of the existing trade agreements. The trade deal were Republican inspired that backfired for the common working man, but major corporation did just fine.

I done!
Thank you for taking the time to write a true, honest post. Keep up the great work.

Guest 08-09-2016 04:12 PM
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People read and hear what they want to.

I guess that makes me a perv.

Guest 08-09-2016 04:14 PM
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How did you deal with the " Gift Tax " which the IRS is looking for if you give anyone more than about $11,000 in any single year ?
it wasn't a gift. I am part own of the house, and I am on the mortgage.

Guest 08-09-2016 04:25 PM
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My guess is about 8 lefties.
Combined with Trump's upcoming, inevitable, humiliating and crushing loss... that's gonna really bum the righties around here out. :D


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CNM

Guest 08-09-2016 04:48 PM
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Well said. Economists have looked at Trump's proposals and said they would lead the country into recession. He obviously doesn't have a clue. He can change his demeanor and try to appear normal, but we've already seen what he is really like - an immature, petulant hater who picks fights with everyone. Clearly not fit to president. And the polls are now supporting that statement.
LEAD the country into recession? We've BEEN in a recession...without $10 trillion in government borrowing/spending, we'd be in a major depression. The whole "recovery" was fake, bought with borrowing $1.5 trillion a year.

Guest 08-09-2016 05:12 PM
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LEAD the country into recession? We've BEEN in a recession...without $10 trillion in government borrowing/spending, we'd be in a major depression. The whole "recovery" was fake, bought with borrowing $1.5 trillion a year.
I say the recovery was rigged. Rigged. The recovery was so rigged.....you know the recovery was rigged.

Guest 08-09-2016 06:55 PM
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I say the recovery was rigged. Rigged. The recovery was so rigged.....you know the recovery was rigged.
:BigApplause:

Guest 08-09-2016 07:13 PM
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it wasn't a gift. I am part own of the house, and I am on the mortgage.
Thanks for the info I do appreciate it .

Guest 08-10-2016 04:56 AM
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Is this the resurrection of the Sybil theory? I'm the one you thought was one person with many different voices.

Anyway--
Here's my favorite part of the speech that helps people like us:

"Trump presented his pledge to repeal the estate tax, worth an estimated $25bn a year, as a boon for the working class, but it only applies applies to estates larger than $5.45m for individuals, or $10.9m for married couples – in effect, people like himself and his children."

Now I will be able to give my kids the $11 million I've been saving up.
What century did you just come from? $5 million is nothing when you look at a family farm. Shoot, a home in a big city will cost you that much. Why should the gov. take your property when you pass? I have nothing but disdain for Democrats because of their belief that anyone that is better than them should share their earnings. That is NOT American. That is childish and selfish.

Guest 08-10-2016 08:39 AM
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LEAD the country into recession? We've BEEN in a recession...without $10 trillion in government borrowing/spending, we'd be in a major depression. The whole "recovery" was fake, bought with borrowing $1.5 trillion a year.
If you believe this, you really are in a world of your own, but I do see you have a few followers here. Without "W's" tax cuts, and Obama's extension of them, and the unfunded wars, we wouldn't have had to borrow 10 trillion. The problems didn't start on 1/20/09. Keep trying to convince open minded people that was the case. History will prove you wrong, but who gives a damn about history. We know that all history is rigged.

Guest 08-10-2016 09:04 AM
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What century did you just come from? $5 million is nothing when you look at a family farm. Shoot, a home in a big city will cost you that much. Why should the gov. take your property when you pass? I have nothing but disdain for Democrats because of their belief that anyone that is better than them should share their earnings. That is NOT American. That is childish and selfish.
You are being played like a fiddle. Where do get your numbers from only Fox News? I don't think that they would go as far as to state $5 million is nothing for a family farm.

The average family farm is worth 600 to 800 thousand dollars, and very few exceed 1.2 million. In 2013, 20 small businesses, and small family farms estates nationwide owed any estate taxes. These figures came from a government tax agency.

When Trump is throwing out there eliminating estate will help small businesses, and family farms, he is full of it. 20 in an entire year would have benefitted.

Guest 08-10-2016 09:14 AM
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Thanks for the info I do appreciate it .

You are welcome. One thing, you have to careful of. I had to apply for a home equity loan to give my other daughter a down payment on the house. I had to provide the bank with proof that my daughter was making the mortgage payments, which she was. Therefore, the loan got approved.

I will be on my other daughter's mortgage also. We will have to see how they consider my first mortgage responsibility. It would be more expensive due to federal income tax to take the down payment out of 401(k) plan, but you do for one you have to do for the other. I don't need any family wars.

Guest 08-10-2016 09:32 AM
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You are welcome. One thing, you have to careful of. I had to apply for a home equity loan to give my other daughter a down payment on the house. I had to provide the bank with proof that my daughter was making the mortgage payments, which she was. Therefore, the loan got approved.

I will be on my other daughter's mortgage also. We will have to see how they consider my first mortgage responsibility. It would be more expensive due to federal income tax to take the down payment out of 401(k) plan, but you do for one you have to do for the other. I don't need any family wars.
Again many thanks for the info . You make excellent points and helping the next generation is the greatest gift .
I feel the same way about education . I have made certain that my 2 daughters received the best education possible from Elementary School thru College .
It wasn`t easy especially in the early years when I was young and working my way up .

Guest 08-10-2016 01:07 PM
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You are being played like a fiddle. Where do get your numbers from only Fox News? I don't think that they would go as far as to state $5 million is nothing for a family farm.

The average family farm is worth 600 to 800 thousand dollars, and very few exceed 1.2 million. In 2013, 20 small businesses, and small family farms estates nationwide owed any estate taxes. These figures came from a government tax agency.

When Trump is throwing out there eliminating estate will help small businesses, and family farms, he is full of it. 20 in an entire year would have benefitted.
B.S.! A single family home in the suburbs of a sizable city will cost you a million. It appears that it is you that's being played. Played by liberal media. Shoot, my daughter got over $600K for her townhouse in Virginia two years ago.

Guest 08-10-2016 01:28 PM
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B.S.! A single family home in the suburbs of a sizable city will cost you a million. It appears that it is you that's being played. Played by liberal media. Shoot, my daughter got over $600K for her townhouse in Virginia two years ago.
Well, when she deficits what she paid plus the money spent for upgrades and the $500 capitol gains credit. She owes zip, nada.

Guest 08-10-2016 01:36 PM
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B.S.! A single family home in the suburbs of a sizable city will cost you a million. It appears that it is you that's being played. Played by liberal media. Shoot, my daughter got over $600K for her townhouse in Virginia two years ago.
Most farms barely get by, they are heavily mortgaged, having to buy expensive equipment. Horse farms like in Ocala are owned by the wealthy who make their money elsewhere, like the Morse Family. That is who trump is talking about. Tax breaks for the rich.

Guest 08-10-2016 01:52 PM
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Most farms barely get by, they are heavily mortgaged, having to buy expensive equipment. Horse farms like in Ocala are owned by the wealthy who make their money elsewhere, like the Morse Family. That is who trump is talking about. Tax breaks for the rich.
Who cares? It's their money, not the government's. Why does it bother you what someone else does with their money? Aren't you doing OK?

Guest 08-10-2016 06:04 PM
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B.S.! A single family home in the suburbs of a sizable city will cost you a million. It appears that it is you that's being played. Played by liberal media. Shoot, my daughter got over $600K for her townhouse in Virginia two years ago.
You just changed the subject. Who gives a damn suburban housing prices?

Trump comment said eliminating the estate tax would really help SMALL BUSINESSES, AND SMALL FAMILY FARMS.
Ten Facts You Should Know About the Federal Estate Tax | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Take a look at number 4!

My eyes are wide open, and I will google a comment that can be verified before I say anything on this forum. Maybe you should do the same before making statements that are not supported by facts.

You are the perfect Trump supporter, and Fox News viewer. You take everything they say at face value, and they are lying their asses off.

If you want both sides of an argument, watch Morning Joe. That is as objective a news program as there is on TV. They ALWAYS support their comments with facts. They have no problem attacking Hillary.

Guest 08-10-2016 06:26 PM
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Who cares? It's their money, not the government's. Why does it bother you what someone else does with their money? Aren't you doing OK?
The 47% wording that you posted is total nonsense.

Who is the 47% Not Paying Taxes? | Fox Business

Take a look at the breakdown of the 47%. 10% are elderly. The elderly are going to vote for Trump. The working poor make up a great deal of the 47%. Trump's biggest supporters are the undereducated. All races are included in the undereducated. The majority of the 47% aren't saying a damn thing about what everyone else is paying in taxes.

Guest 08-10-2016 07:21 PM
Come on now. Just look at the demographics of the major cities in all of the battleground states. We all know that the poor, the black, the Latinos, the young, the educated women, the college educated males under 55 are voting blocs that will turn out in big numbers to vote Democrat.

The polls are favoring Hillary. The betting odds are favoring Hillary. Republican leaders are backing away from Trump. Trump is a trainwreck and has dragged the Republican Party to depths unknown in the past.

Trump has played his fantasy of a Presidential run and really does not want to be elected. It was all just playing a game. Yes, he will get back ALL of his campaign money he invested plus interest.

3 iron

Guest 08-10-2016 08:21 PM
The Election Betting Odds today gives Hillary a 77 percent chance of being the next President. Trump has dropped to a 19 percent chance.

This is for money, not politics.

Anyone want to take Trump with a $100 bet right now? I always enjoy taking easy money. You hard core Tea Party guys should take a "durn whippersnapper librul" up on this. :beer3:

Guest 08-10-2016 08:41 PM
All that will change after the debates.

Guest 08-10-2016 09:37 PM
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You just changed the subject. Who gives a damn suburban housing prices?

Trump comment said eliminating the estate tax would really help SMALL BUSINESSES, AND SMALL FAMILY FARMS.
Ten Facts You Should Know About the Federal Estate Tax | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Take a look at number 4!

My eyes are wide open, and I will google a comment that can be verified before I say anything on this forum. Maybe you should do the same before making statements that are not supported by facts.

You are the perfect Trump supporter, and Fox News viewer. You take everything they say at face value, and they are lying their asses off.

If you want both sides of an argument, watch Morning Joe. That is as objective a news program as there is on TV. They ALWAYS support their comments with facts. They have no problem attacking Hillary.
It's always refreshing when people put some thought and effort into their posts, by providing actual facts and links... not just opinion, anecdotal references or emotional rhetoric :thumbup:

Why is it, that it's mostly those of us who lean left.....that aren't too lazy or ignorant to do so? ;)


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CNM

Guest 08-11-2016 05:03 AM
Interesting that almost all of the last six posts were by the same idiot no it all.

Guest 08-11-2016 05:04 AM
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It's always refreshing when people put some thought and effort into their posts, by providing actual facts and links... not just opinion, anecdotal references or emotional rhetoric :thumbup:

Why is it, that it's mostly those of us who lean left.....that aren't too lazy or ignorant to do so? ;)


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CNM
Guess that leaves you out.

Guest 08-11-2016 06:46 AM
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Interesting that almost all of the last six posts were by the same idiot no it all.
How do you think the idiot would spell "no it all"?

There are only 4 letters in the word know and you left out half of them.

Guest 08-11-2016 07:23 AM
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How do you think the idiot would spell "no it all"?

There are only 4 letters in the word know and you left out half of them.
Isn't is a fact that the uneducated people the ones that Trumpanzee has as his target audience? Well, the joker who does not know how to spell "know it all" certainly fits into that group.

Guest 08-11-2016 07:26 AM
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All that will change after the debates.
Yesterday, Trump said he may boycott any debates with Hillary - because they conflict with football games.

The election is hers!

Guest 08-11-2016 08:12 AM
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All that will change after the debates.
What debate? trump is waffling, which is not unusual. He will be taken to the wood shed by Hillary.

Guest 08-11-2016 08:32 AM
How many of the 16 he beat were better than her?

Cruz was considered one of the best, he beat him too.

Oh wait she beat Obama in the debates right?

You should hope she doesn't have a stroke or seizure arguing with his style of debating.


Just make sure to have a lie counter on hand

Guest 08-11-2016 08:37 AM
Trump will expose her lies & corruption to millions who were blinded by the media.

When Cruz was at Princeton, Cruz was an award-winning debater

Guest 08-11-2016 10:23 AM
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Yesterday, Trump said he may boycott any debates with Hillary - because they conflict with football games.

The election is hers!
Thanks for clearing that up . No need for the election then .
Have you contacted the local Elections Boards to let them know .

The expense associated with running a general election can be avoided so you would be doing everyone a favor by getting it called off .

Thanks ,

Guest 08-11-2016 10:52 AM
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Thanks for clearing that up . No need for the election then .
Have you contacted the local Elections Boards to let them know .

The expense associated with running a general election can be avoided so you would be doing everyone a favor by getting it called off .

Thanks ,
Well, that certainly would be saving money due to the inevitable outcome of Hillary winning.

After all, :jester:The Trumpanzee has publically stated if Hillary wins, it is due to the election being rigged.

You are right. Just cancel the election now, save money, and deport :jester:The Trumpanzee. Sounds like a perfect plan! :a20:

Guest 08-11-2016 12:31 PM
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Well, that certainly would be saving money due to the inevitable outcome of Hillary winning.

After all, :jester:The Trumpanzee has publically stated if Hillary wins, it is due to the election being rigged.

You are right. Just cancel the election now, save money, and deport :jester:The Trumpanzee. Sounds like a perfect plan! :a20:
Why worry about saving money? That money is going toward jobs. A lot of the money is donated by big business/Wall St. so why would anyone care if they saved money or not?

I don't need to watch The Donald expose Hillary's dirt to the world to change my vote from The Donald. I already know that I will not vote for another scumbag Clinton criminal. But, I guess liberals will never be exposed to Hillary's corruption on the liberal media until the debate, so there is that. If a liberal still votes for Hillary after knowing she is a scumbag felon, then those liberals are just plain stupid.

Debate or not, my vote will go to Trump. In my opinion, Trump is smarter than Reagan but with a lot less charisma. I know I will field a lot of wrath from both sides, but that's my opinion.

Guest 08-11-2016 03:56 PM
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Well, that certainly would be saving money due to the inevitable outcome of Hillary winning.

After all, :jester:The Trumpanzee has publically stated if Hillary wins, it is due to the election being rigged.
Already making excuses, because his ego can't stand the shock of losing to a woman...even if she is a LOT smarter than he is. :1rotfl:





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You are right. Just cancel the election now, save money, and deport :jester:The Trumpanzee. Sounds like a perfect plan! :a20:
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Dang you for even suggesting, taking away the best entertainment.....in a couple of generations. :rant-rave:


:1rotfl:




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CNM

Guest 08-11-2016 04:19 PM
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Yesterday, Trump said he may boycott any debates with Hillary - because they conflict with football games.

The election is hers!
There have to be conflicts news on the debates. MSNBC has reported that Trump is trying to negotiate for a moderator, that is acceptable to him. That probably limits the candidates to Sean Hannity. He will attend the debates. If he skips them, everybody but his loyal supporters will know that he is a loud mouth coward.

I think that the football excuse didn't fly, when 69% of the people polled said that they would watch the debates over a football game.

Trump didn't win the debates based upon policy. He broke even due to the number of people in the debates, that meant less time questioning him. He stood up there calling people names, and noting the place that they had on the stage. It was all a distraction. The other candidates went at each other, giving him a free pass.

With one on One, there will be no free passes. She will destroy him on policies. He can't get into detail on anything. If he does, there will be follow up questions, that he will not be able to answer.

In case you haven't noticed Trump is just doing what he does best entertaining the crowd with mostly total nonsense. There is no crowd at the debates.

Guest 08-11-2016 04:25 PM
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Already making excuses, because his ego can't stand the shock of losing to a woman...even if she is a LOT smarter than he is. :1rotfl:







NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Dang you for even suggesting, taking away the best entertainment.....in a couple of generations. :rant-rave:


:1rotfl:




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CNM
There you go again referring to Hillary as a woman .


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