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Guest 07-26-2009 03:01 PM

Mark Steyn
 
"The president of the United States may be reluctant to condemn Ayatollah Khamenei or Hugo Chávez or that guy in Honduras without examining all the nuances and footnotes, but sometimes there are outrages so heinous that even the famously nuanced must step up to the plate and speak truth to power. And thank God the leader of the free world had the guts to stand up and speak truth to municipal police sergeant James Crowley".

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...I3ZTBiZDA5ZjM=

Guest 07-26-2009 03:02 PM

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Today Gates indicated he may use this to make a movie or documentary about racial profiling...! Says it will be a "learning experience". Is he nuts? The police were responding to a 911 call be a neighbor. How in the world can Gates consider that racial profiling??? I would have liked to see the police officer respond to Obama's offer to bury the hatchet over a beer be, "No thank you Mr President, I have more important things to attend to... and I am sure you do too."

Boy, I can't wait to see how this plays out in the next election.

:agree: :beer3:
The joke starts like this,The President, a Harvard Professor and a Cambridge Police Sargent walk into a bar......:jester:

Guest 07-26-2009 03:18 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 216774)
Today Gates indicated he may use this to make a movie or documentary about racial profiling...! Says it will be a "learning experience". Is he nuts? The police were responding to a 911 call be a neighbor. How in the world can Gates consider that racial profiling??? I would have liked to see the police officer respond to Obama's offer to bury the hatchet over a beer be, "No thank you Mr President, I have more important things to attend to... and I am sure you do too."

Boy, I can't wait to see how this plays out in the next election.



Yes this will come up in the next elections in '10 and/or '12. My guess is the issue will go away soon as a news item and join the ranks of verbal gaffs by other presidents (Clinton, Bush, Obama etc.).

Guest 07-26-2009 03:43 PM

According to the Fox News Sunday show today, the press conference question about this incident was anticipated by the administration and the answer was rehearsed. What should have happened next was an apology from the president, but it seems he is only interested in apologizing to other countries for acts and omissions of the Bush Administration. In fact, Brett Hume said that this president "is arrogant". In my opinion, and I read the actual arrest report on "The Smoking Gun", the cop was reacting to a jerk acting like a jerk. Most of us learned many years ago to act overly respectful to a police officer - obviously this supposed "smart" Harvard professor never learned the basics and ran off at the mouth. The apologies need to start with the professor to the cop; then Obama to the nation. But neither is going to happen . . . .

Guest 07-26-2009 03:47 PM

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Yes this will come up in the next elections in '10 and/or '12. My guess is the issue will go away soon as a news item and join the ranks of verbal gaffs by other presidents (Clinton, Bush, Obama etc.).

The horse is already left the gate.

Pres. Obama showed himself as ready to make decisions and judgments based solely on very limited (if any) facts and with personal bias. That's not what executives do, as successful executives know that Rule #1 is "make sure brain is in gear before mouth is in motion."

He's got a lot of damage control to do among those who are not bound heart-and-soul with any political party. At this moment, he has shown himself as the typical Senator who has not had any heavy executive or managerial experience - a talker first.

Can this be reverse? Sure it can. But that takes an attitude devoid of arrogance and self-importance.

Guest 07-26-2009 03:59 PM

I was just reading the New York Times and saw this quote from Mike Barnacle:

"The next time Gates needs 911, he should call the Harvard faculty lounge instead.

Great line.

Guest 07-26-2009 04:43 PM

What a lot of high visibility persona, especially POTUS etal,
 
will from time to time is mis speak or make an error, hence a gaff.

Obama's position was NOT a gaff....it was a personal belief....many a POTUS have them...most are smart enough to understand the power of their position.

OBAMA does not and did not. Because of his arrogance and infatuation with his new found power of position, he thinks he can say as do as he may wish. To some degree he as an American does have that right.

He does not have the right to use the power of his position and the access to a world stage to promote a racist agenda....his or any other.

He stooped to the level of being a mediocre politician. Maybe he learned something as a result. However, I seriously doubt it. His belief is stronger than his good sense or better judgement and he just proved it.

btk

Guest 07-26-2009 05:22 PM

Throughout his entire "career" he has shown the propensity to do one thing and say another. If you read into his background without his pretty words ringing in your ear, you will find a VERY VERY political person with an ego inflated beyond normal.

This President will have good times as a result of his pretty words, and in fact may do some good things, but you MUST keep looking at the big picture and what he is accomplishing.

It is very typical of his "career" to put the devil in the details as someone pointed out. We will live with those details in this country for many a year !

His saying to Sen Reid that he "had a gift", in my mind is alluding to the fact that every time he gets caught up, he is able to spin words to get out of the mess.....this is a good example.....he has turned this into a race thing AND IT WAS NOT...and he is trying so hard to be the good guy that brought everyone together !

Guest 07-26-2009 08:17 PM

Gates Video
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSBjU...layer_embedded


Well, this is the man that Obama has been listening to for 20 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7...layer_embedded

Guest 07-26-2009 10:19 PM

I'd love to see some serious discussion from Obama supporters justifying his comments. Of course, some people think this is a hoot. This is nothing to "chuckle" over as was suggested early on in this forum. C'mon.... anybody???

Guest 07-27-2009 07:36 AM

Opinion Link
 
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...M4YzRlMGZjOGQ=

Guest 07-27-2009 07:50 AM

"The woman whose report of a possible house break-in led to the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. said she never mentioned race during her 911 call and is “personally devastated’’ by media accounts that suggest she placed the call because the men she observed on the porch were black, according to a lawyer acting as her spokeswoman."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...ce_police_say/


So, the 911 caller did not mention race nor was it an issue for her. The police say that race was not an issue in the situation. So who mentioned race ?

The only folks who mentioned race were the professor and the President !

Again, I am very disappointed that the invitation was accepted to the WH under the circumstances that the President and the professor want to, and have said they want to, use this as a "lesson" on profiling even though profiling was never an issue !!!

Guest 07-27-2009 08:07 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 216834)
I'd love to see some serious discussion from Obama supporters justifying his comments. Of course, some people think this is a hoot. This is nothing to "chuckle" over as was suggested early on in this forum. C'mon.... anybody???

I wouldn't be suprised if you don't get too many takers since this forum is dominated by a relatively small number of like minded individuals. Not that it is necessarily a good or bad thing, just the way it is. I think a lot of people simply avoid the "piling on" effect.

Guest 07-27-2009 08:11 AM

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I wouldn't be suprised if you don't get too many takers since this forum is dominated by a relatively small number of like minded individuals. Not that it is necessarily a good or bad thing, just the way it is. I think a lot of people simply avoid the "piling on" effect.

Those Obama supporters were on this forum in great numbers before the election, and passed themselves off as "enlightened" and "passionate" about an Obama presidency !

Guest 07-27-2009 08:13 AM

How ironic it is that the only "lesson" I see here is a lesson in "Do what I say, not what I do." The POTUS says this will be a lesson for America. He and his professor buddy are the ones that need to pay attention and learn. They have no idea this is all about them! It is amazing!!!

Guest 07-27-2009 08:38 AM

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Wright is so wrong he even thinks Obama is"not rich"?

Guest 07-27-2009 09:04 AM

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Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will be grandstanding there shortly.... they can't miss this photo-op.

In the Chicago area it was Jesse . He never saw a camera or opportunity he did not like. :agree::agree:

Guest 07-27-2009 01:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 216868)
How ironic it is that the only "lesson" I see here is a lesson in "Do what I say, not what I do." The POTUS says this will be a lesson for America. He and his professor buddy are the ones that need to pay attention and learn. They have no idea this is all about them! It is amazing!!!

I agree with Pres. Obama. It is a lesson fo America, however, the lesson is an old one - don't judge a book by it's cover.... America did!

Guest 07-27-2009 02:20 PM

Prejudice is a great timesaver. It enables you to form opinions without bothering to get the facts. Yup, Obama spoke with a preconceived notion that policemen are bigots.
I would think you would have to be a politically astute policemen to work in the People's Republic of Cambridge. I can tell you for a fact that a red-necked cop would not last a month in that communist infested city. (In my most humble opinion)

PS. Communist infested may be too strong a description but the city is world renowned for it's extreme liberal leanings.

Guest 07-27-2009 06:51 PM

This morning, on channel 5 Boston
 
the network game show was interrupted by a news offering of the actual 911 tapes of the Obamagate incident. The media was given a copy of the tape so that the public could hear for themselves exactly what was said by the 911 caller and the police dispatch. Only one mention of race was made, buy the dispatcher, as to whether the suspect was White, Black, or Hispanic. It is obvious that Mr Gates was the only one, with his racist tirade, that caused any problem.

If you now think that the dispatcher was a racist, consider whether when you had to call the police, would you want the police looking for a Black man, when a blue eyed blond just held you up at gun point? That would hardly be called racist or racial profiling.

Guest 07-27-2009 07:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 216987)
the network game show was interrupted by a news offering of the actual 911 tapes of the Obamagate incident. The media was given a copy of the tape so that the public could hear for themselves exactly what was said by the 911 caller and the police dispatch. Only one mention of race was made, buy the dispatcher, as to whether the suspect was White, Black, or Hispanic. It is obvious that Mr Gates was the only one, with his racist tirade, that caused any problem.

If you now think that the dispatcher was a racist, consider whether when you had to call the police, would you want the police looking for a Black man, when a blue eyed blond just held you up at gun point? That would hardly be called racist or racial profiling.

Do you really think the truth and the facts matter? The only thing important now is how this can be spun to make Pres. Obama's remarks as a commentary with value. Does the phrase "silk's purse from sow's ear" come to mind?

Guest 07-28-2009 07:20 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 216861)
"The woman whose report of a possible house break-in led to the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. said she never mentioned race during her 911 call and is “personally devastated’’ by media accounts that suggest she placed the call because the men she observed on the porch were black, according to a lawyer acting as her spokeswoman."

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...ce_police_say/


So, the 911 caller did not mention race nor was it an issue for her. The police say that race was not an issue in the situation. So who mentioned race ?

The only folks who mentioned race were the professor and the President !

Again, I am very disappointed that the invitation was accepted to the WH under the circumstances that the President and the professor want to, and have said they want to, use this as a "lesson" on profiling even though profiling was never an issue !!!

Bucco, I agree with you 100%. I still have hope the cop does not show up at WH. Obama showed his true feelings with that statement he made. Making his feelings very clear without knowing what the hell happened. :agree::agree:

Guest 07-28-2009 07:33 AM

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Bucco, I agree with you 100%. I still have hope the cop does not show up at WH. Obama showed his true feelings with that statement he made. Making his feelings very clear without knowing what the hell happened. :agree::agree:

He may not have much choice, He lives in a very blue state, in an exceptionally blue city, and to not go will make him more notorious where he lives and works. I'm sure, whatever happens, he will handle it with class.

Guest 07-28-2009 08:00 AM

Steve: If he handle it with class it would be a first for him. You know like the
Special Olympics remark he made. What do we expect from the 51st ward of Chicago ?:bowdown::bowdown:

Guest 07-28-2009 10:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 217053)
Steve: If he handle it with class it would be a first for him. You know like the
Special Olympics remark he made. What do we expect from the 51st ward of Chicago ?:bowdown::bowdown:

I was speaking about the police officer....

Guest 07-28-2009 10:33 AM

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I was speaking about the police officer....

Steve: Now that makes a lot more sense. :agree::agree:

Guest 07-28-2009 03:39 PM

Cops not to vote for Obama again
 
The white policeman who arrested Gates is invited to White House to have a beer. He better make sure it isn't spiked with Kool Aid.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/...de.in.arms.cnn

Guest 07-28-2009 04:19 PM

We are talking really Stupid!
 
Its really hard to believe any President or for that matter any elected official (even a mayor) could make such a stupid stupid comment. Can't believe he thinks drinking a few beers with the two will make people forget what he really thinks about the police who were called to the scene!

Guest 07-28-2009 04:33 PM

This is all too reminiscent of the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players, their trial in public by the president and faculty of Duke, their expulsion, the coach's firing, etc. Somehow the apologies were never delivered by each person in a full-page ad as the accusations were. Imagine that.

Reverse racism is the accepted norm among those who regard themselves as the intellectual elite.

Guest 07-28-2009 06:53 PM

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This is all too reminiscent of the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players, their trial in public by the president and faculty of Duke, their expulsion, the coach's firing, etc. Somehow the apologies were never delivered by each person in a full-page ad as the accusations were. Imagine that.

Reverse racism is the accepted norm among those who regard themselves as the intellectual elite.

:beer3::beer3::beer3:

Guest 07-28-2009 07:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 217147)
This is all too reminiscent of the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players, their trial in public by the president and faculty of Duke, their expulsion, the coach's firing, etc. Somehow the apologies were never delivered by each person in a full-page ad as the accusations were. Imagine that.

Reverse racism is the accepted norm among those who regard themselves as the intellectual elite.

It is a cottage industry for alot of people.


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