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75% of Americans believe the Iraq war is wrong and we should get out ASAP. The same feel that we were lied in to this war. They also believe Bush and his band of cronies should be held accountable for their misdeeds. The Bush family has been long time friends with the Saud and Bin Laden Families. The Bush clan has also befriended the Reverend Sun Myung Moon. They have received quite a bit of wealth from these sources over the years. George's grandfather almost got in trouble for helping finance Hitler's war machine. His father almost got in trouble for the increased CIA involvement in the drug trade while under his command. This family makes the Sopranos look like chiorboys. The Bushs and their friends from Arabia have brought this country to its knees. We will survive.....you can count on that!

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Listen I am going to try and keep a level head here. You do not call a sitting President a murderer. I don't care how much you hate him and his family. You can shout to the high heavens about how bad you think this Administration is, but I am telling you for your own good, do not call the President of the United states a murderer. 'nuff said.

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:agree: Johnny

What happened to patriotism Jim? Regardless of your personal opinion of our President, patriotism should be first and foremost. GWB has the passion which inspires one to serve one's country. He is doing it to the best of his ability whether we agree with him or not.

I AM NOT A GWB SUPPORTER...so don't get me wrong. However, I, as an American...would never ever refer to our President as a murderer.

You need to thank God you live in a country where there is freedom of speech. Many other places, you would be executed.

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Sigh. I vowed I was staying out of political. That I would keep my mouth shut and my hands still but I just can't do it.

To me, patriorism is loving this country regardless of its warts. Patriorism is not blind or at least it shouldn't be. It seems like the Vietnam protests would have taught us that. LBJ was constantly called a murderer ("Hey, Hey, LBJ, how many boys did you kill today?")and those protesting felt justified in using those words. GWB can't be called a murderer but the wars can be compared -- neither of which had any justification for being fought other than idiotic politics. Sorry, but I don't agree.

I was taught to honor the office, not necessarily the man (the joys of military brathood and asking why you saluted someone you knew was a jerk).

I do not like GWB. I don't consider him a murderer but many do. They have that right. Just because the man is in office doesn't change his shortcomings, doesn't alter that lies were told to the American people and the governments of the world about Iraq and Saddam, that Iraq became a target and our fight agaisnt bin Laden and his ilk was put on a back burner.

The day we are stopped from saying what we think of those we've elected into a position of power is the day we have lost the right to call this nation a democracy.

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Well then, go right out and burn a flag. You might as well go the whole nine yards. Think of how the enemy feels when they read some American fool calling a sitting President of the United States of America, a murderer. It makes them feel powerful and right against our men. They feel even the American people hate our troops if they are calling their leader a murderer. Wake up, berate him and call into question his actions concerning the war (liberation), but murderer is sinful. A big mistake was made, but Congress and The Senate made it, too. This man is not a sole assassin. Chavez called him "El Diablo" The Devil, and that broke my heart to hear our President who represents America, called a Devil by some left wing loon starving his people. God Bless America, whether you like the President or not.

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Johnny, if one book written by one author is going to make that much of an impact on the rest of the world, I sincerely hope it is the Bible and not something written by Bugliosi. As I said, I don't think he is a murderer. I actively dislike GWB and I think we have no business in Iraq but that's an entirely different issue.

Our enemies feel right and powerful regardless what is said here about our President, especially in the Middle East. So long as we exist, so long as we have troops in the Middle East and so long as we support Israel, many of them will feel they have the right to kill our troops.

I want our troops out of Iraq. I want them searching for Bin Laden and his cronies in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I hurt every time I hear of one of boys or girls being injured or killed in Iraq. I will say thank you to each and every one that has served, no matter what war it was. Our troops deserve our love and respect. That doesn't mean our leaders do.

If someone chooses to write a book stating that our President and, yes, our Congress, is committing murder each and every time an American is killed in Iraq, that is that person's right. To get angry about it is your right. To basically threaten another, which was the basic tone of your post to jim, is beneath you.

To tell me to go burn a flag is beneath contempt. It goes more to the "how dare you!" You served in the military for this country. My father gave his entire life for this country -- it was a military injury that ultimately killed him at age 36. My brother went to Nam three times. Not because he believed in that war -- he didn't -- but because he felt he could save American GIs by being there. I've lost several friends in Nam, including the boy I thought I was going marry. I've held friends' hands as they got word their son and then their daughter were killed and injured in Iraq. Don't you dare tell me to go burn a flag because I defend someone's right to write a book and quote it here.

And, yes, God bless America. But I'll be damned if I'll bless our leaders who lied to us, who cheat us on a daily basis, who use their position to get rich on our backs. And I will fight for the right of anyone in this country to say what they think even if I totally disagree with it. That's what makes America so great -- our willingness to allow others to speak their mind, to fight for that right, to be there to help another have that right.

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George W. Bush is President of the United States, not St. George of the United States. Jim has every right to his post. I, personally, would not call Bush "The Devil" or a murderer. I would however call him a dimwit. I don't think he ever had the intelligence to be President and that is why I NEVER voted for him. The mistakes made by this presidency are overwhelming and cost many American lives. I alway liked the song "God Bless The Child that Got His Own." Bush rode in on his Daddy's coattails and now McCain is trying to do the same. Also, to blindly follow anyone, including the President of the United States, is simply ridiculous. The only one I blindly follow is Jesus.

I agree that the people of the Middle East are not pumped up by what we think. They have their own agenda. I find that the people that voted for Bush always say "History will tell." It's my belief that history will only validate this putrid presidency.

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Why anyone would want to be President sometimes baffles me. All you get is folk Monday-morning quarterbacking everything, and there's a LOT of everything to jab.

Occasionally we should all take a look at the "org chart" of the US Government - just that section within the Executive Branch - 15 Departments and 93 Independent Agencies/Government Corporations. Within the Departments are another few dozen agencies as well. That's what the Chief Executive is responsible to oversee.

Time management, reliance on staff and experts, and sheer will is necessary to keep from losing control - and they all do at some point. Superman hasn't been on the ballot yet (and can't - he's an alien(lol)) No where else on this planet is a Chief Executive's decisions (certainly not in the corporate world) under so much scrutiny.

This is not necessarily the job for a purely "smart" person. I know many folk with multiple Ph.D.s who would crack after the first fortnight under the pressure. A "strong" person with hard-core management skills, willing to take on the sheer size of the Executive Branch and the myriad of competing interests - all demanding extensive face-time - is mandatory.

Information management, time management, skilled staff and experts, and a strong gut is what keeps the Executive Branch functional. Expecting a president to be expert at most of the functional areas, and fully cognizant of "everything that is going on" is ludicrous.

While its easy to horse-whip the captain of a ship for everything that happens within it, it's unrealistic as well. So, expecting a political Messiah to "make everything better" is naivete at its highest.

If you think it can be done, just look at the org chart(s) involving the Executive Branch, and come up with how you would time-manage it all so that you "knew everything going on..."

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Steve you are being to easy on them. They don't understand rationale. One more time. I'm not blindly following anyone. I respect the Office of the President. Is that easier for you to understand. You keep bringing up "talking points" and diatribes about GWB and his family and then you slip in McCain. All I said was don't call the President a murderer, it is offensive in many ways to decent Americans who DO respect the office.

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You obviously didn't lose a son or daughter. Well over 5 thousand have!!I know this gov't doesn't care or even count civilians or private contractors...
What do you call a leader who lies, lies lies to put a country into a war that has taken fathers, sons, daughters, mothers ...????
I lost a nephew . Tom was 19. Who should die at 19....?????
What do you call someone who sends thousands to die....????

I don't want to hear anymore :edit:.
I am MAD!

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Respecting the office has nothing to do with it. Respect is earned and you mean to say that no matter how many horrendous mistakes the president makes with such autraucities, you still repsect the office? Sounds somewhat like the 3rd reich with blind faith. How could you accept the fact that worst of all the innocent lives he has taken and for what? How about homeland security? That's where we should be with our military forces, protecting our homeland and certainly not getting our military killed and maimed where countries have been at war for hundreds of years.

The respect throughout the world for GWB, his office and our country tells it all; listen to the polls and the people. He's a loser and should be impeached for his actions. The role of his office brings all of the horrors of it all onto his shoulders; he's the sole one who must pay for the unethical, amorale autracities that exist. That is the sole responsibility of the office of the president. You respect the office, then you respect GWB; how could you and honestly say that you support the blunders? Office and President is one in the same; you want to just respect the office, not possible when you have such a loser sitting in that office.

Sorry Johnny, with all due respect to you, I just can not understand your rationale. My heart is so heavy with sadness over the loss and horrendous impairment of our innocent military serving their country.

barb1191

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This was my original post:
"Listen I am going to try and keep a level head here. You do not call a sitting President a murderer. I don't care how much you hate him and his family. You can shout to the high heavens about how bad you think this Administration is, but I am telling you for your own good, do not call the President of the United states a murderer. 'nuff said."

Okay, this is it for me. One last try. Red said she wouldn't call the President a murderer in her reply, Chelsea said she wouldn't call the President a murderer in her reply. Barb are you calling the President a murderer, because if you check my original post above that was my only objection to junglejims post. If you think he is a murderer than go ahead and say it, here and now. That goes for mcelheny also.

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Would you call Hitler a murderer?

You support the position, then you also support the person sitting in that seat.
I think I made my feelings clear enough without you having to put words in my mouth. There are so very many grieving with not only loss of loved ones, but those who returned as maimed and lifeless. They are entitled to call this leader whatever they choose. They most certainly are entitled to vent as they have surely earned it and paid the price one way or another.

When someone is responsible for the many casualties and deaths of innocent people in this war, in my book you can call him anything you want to and I certainly have no respect for the lame duck or his seat. When we elect a real leader, he/she will get my full respect and support. .....b

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Simple question Barb, no spin.