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Guest 08-29-2015 02:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1106114)
it was very close to 90 percent, maybe high 80s.

it seems to me that these latest mass killings were by mental retards who were able to buy a weapon legally.

Call it what you want, but if it even stops one idiot from getting a gun and shooting up a theatre then it is well worth it.

This whole crackpot theory of people worried that the government is coming to take your guns away was just a weapon industry tactic to get scared people to buy more guns while they still can.

Look at how much power and involvement our Federal government has in our everyday lives in recent years, so it is not to far fetched to believe that a Federal government gun grab is Very possible!

Guest 08-29-2015 03:02 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1106114)

This whole crackpot theory of people worried that the government is coming to take your guns away was just a weapon industry tactic to get scared people to buy more guns while they still can.

Absolutely correct!

There have been around 16 million babies born since President Obama took office. There have been more than 65 MILLION background checks for buying guns in that same time period!

Guest 08-29-2015 04:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1106114)
it was very close to 90 percent, maybe high 80s.

it seems to me that these latest mass killings were by mental retards who were able to buy a weapon legally.

Call it what you want, but if it even stops one idiot from getting a gun and shooting up a theatre then it is well worth it.

This whole crackpot theory of people worried that the government is coming to take your guns away was just a weapon industry tactic to get scared people to buy more guns while they still can.

YOu should go hide in a bunker somewhere. Somewhere safe. No matter what anyone tells you about gun statistics, you will always pull up some kind of lie somewhere and try to use it. You liberals are about as paranoid as can be. I am surprised you don't try to legislate a gov sponsored babysitting service that will protect you until you are old enough to become a conservative. Mass murderers are few and far between, so get over it. If the crazies don't have guns then they will just resort to bombs, or knives or axes or bats. A crazy is a crazy no matter what you take away from them. Doctors take more lives than guns, so maybe you want to outlaw doctors? Or maybe cars, since they also take more lives.

Guest 08-29-2015 04:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1106183)
YOu should go hide in a bunker somewhere. Somewhere safe. No matter what anyone tells you about gun statistics, you will always pull up some kind of lie somewhere and try to use it. You liberals are about as paranoid as can be. I am surprised you don't try to legislate a gov sponsored babysitting service that will protect you until you are old enough to become a conservative. Mass murderers are few and far between, so get over it. If the crazies don't have guns then they will just resort to bombs, or knives or axes or bats. A crazy is a crazy no matter what you take away from them. Doctors take more lives than guns, so maybe you want to outlaw doctors? Or maybe cars, since they also take more lives.

You gotta be careful. You know what they say about gettin into a pi$$ing contest with a skunk!

Guest 08-29-2015 04:33 PM

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Leftists have historically been authoritarian and only feign the democratic process until they can grab power. Then they shove their enlightened truth down the throats of the u enlightened

They are democratic in name only. Democracy to a liberal is just an oxymoron. Great example of the enlightened Democrat is the Nazis, National Socialist German Workers' Party, or the Democratic People's Republic (of North Korea), etc.

Guest 08-31-2015 08:37 AM

After reading these threads, this is the reason religion should be left out of all government discussions and decisions. First of all there are hundreds of religions that generate hundreds of opinions toward how to interpret the laws of our country, so leave it out of the equation. Nothing ****es me off more than someone starting off an opinion with a phase ending in a numeral reference to the bible. How can these people claim to be so religious and have absolutely no compassion for the less fortunate Americans in this country. They go to such extremes to see that no funding goes for anything that may benefit them. The Pope has pleaded with parishioners for empathy yet you see no evidence to show this is working! The right is so filled with hatred against the President and his programs that they are like mad dogs about everything working well in America under him. The world is changing and we have to change as well, sorry but this is a reality.

Guest 08-31-2015 09:33 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1106827)
After reading these threads, this is the reason religion should be left out of all government discussions and decisions. First of all there are hundreds of religions that generate hundreds of opinions toward how to interpret the laws of our country, so leave it out of the equation. Nothing ****es me off more than someone starting off an opinion with a phase ending in a numeral reference to the bible. How can these people claim to be so religious and have absolutely no compassion for the less fortunate Americans in this country. They go to such extremes to see that no funding goes for anything that may benefit them. The Pope has pleaded with parishioners for empathy yet you see no evidence to show this is working! The right is so filled with hatred against the President and his programs that they are like mad dogs about everything working well in America under him. The world is changing and we have to change as well, sorry but this is a reality.

I do hope you are not confusing an opposing opinion or position for hatred!
All the way from the completion of his first year....because I said I would give him a year before I give an opinion.

After his first state of the union it the only conclusion I could come to is we have an incompetent executive in the WH. And for the next 5 years he confirmed my conclusion by time and time again making commitments with no resolve to see them through or implemented. Or to take action to correct the fact that implementaion was not going as promised. This person does none of that.

And over the past 6 years to witness time and time again his taking a black position on a black incident is not what a real president would do.
To give in to the enemy as many times as he has done is just not what the commander in chief of the most powerful nation on the planet does.
To refuse to label the enemy as Islamic Terrorists is totally and completely innexcuseable.

He does not represent the needs of we the people and the needs a strong and powerful and respected nation like the USA was before he emasculated it.

As I have said many times before, in corporate America he would have not made it to the first state of the union.

No for me it is not hate. It is earned disgust and disrespect!!!

Guest 08-31-2015 09:36 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1106827)
After reading these threads, this is the reason religion should be left out of all government discussions and decisions. First of all there are hundreds of religions that generate hundreds of opinions toward how to interpret the laws of our country, so leave it out of the equation. Nothing ****es me off more than someone starting off an opinion with a phase ending in a numeral reference to the bible. How can these people claim to be so religious and have absolutely no compassion for the less fortunate Americans in this country. They go to such extremes to see that no funding goes for anything that may benefit them. The Pope has pleaded with parishioners for empathy yet you see no evidence to show this is working! The right is so filled with hatred against the President and his programs that they are like mad dogs about everything working well in America under him. The world is changing and we have to change as well, sorry but this is a reality.

There you go again with that always abused term "hatred." If we don't agree with you, you naturally assume that we hate you. It's either agree with you or nothing. Liberals feel that if they are non-believers than it should be banned from everyone. If the Republicans don't believe they just don't go to church, but respect others that do believe. If a Republican is gay, he lives a quiet life, whereas a liberal wants to make a law demanding respect. If a Republican doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants to ban them. I don't like Obama's ideology of socialism, and his policies. I don't know him well enough to hate him. I didn't like Carter's policies either, but I didn't and still don't hate him. Get over it. It's not healthy to think that everyone hates you.

Guest 08-31-2015 09:38 AM

Some few are just not capable of agreeing to disagreeing without counter attacking and name calling and labeling.

Guest 09-01-2015 08:30 PM

Does the majority still rule in America? You bet it does!

The Supreme Court majority decisions on ACA and same sex marriage were majority decisions.

The majority of Americans (51 percent) voted for Pres. Obama.

Looks as though the majority of America will vote for a Democratic President again in 2016.

As we socialist Progressives like to say. :boom: :MOJE_whot::a040:

Guest 09-01-2015 10:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107657)
Does the majority still rule in America? You bet it does!

The Supreme Court majority decisions on ACA and same sex marriage were majority decisions.

The majority of Americans (51 percent) voted for Pres. Obama.

Looks as though the majority of America will vote for a Democratic President again in 2016.

As we socialist Progressives like to say. :boom: :MOJE_whot::a040:

Please stop spreading the false commentary about 51% of Americans voted for Obama. It simply is not true.
Maybe we will allow that 51% of the Americans that voted.
Nice try....again.

Guest 09-02-2015 05:28 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107657)
Does the majority still rule in America? You bet it does!

The Supreme Court majority decisions on ACA and same sex marriage were majority decisions.

The majority of Americans (51 percent) voted for Pres. Obama.

Looks as though the majority of America will vote for a Democratic President again in 2016.

As we socialist Progressives like to say. :boom: :MOJE_whot::a040:

The Supreme Court does NOT speak for the majority. They just give their slant on a law, based on their ideology, conservative or liberal.

Only 58% of the eligible voters turned out to vote, with Obama receiving 51% of the popular vote. That means that Obama was elected by about 29.5% of the total eligible voters. A quarter of the total registered votes is HARDLY a majority of America. Before you say well this president only received this many votes or this many, you are the one that made the incorrect statement that Obama was elected by the "majority of America." That is simply not true. The majority of America did NOT vote for Obama. Only the majority of the voter turnout, which was only about 3% more than Romney.

As far as a Democrat getting the majority of the vote in the 2016 election, logic dictates different right now. If Clinton gets the nomination, she won't have the black turnout that Obama had, she is losing the female vote, the Latino vote is still undecided, and right now the Independent vote is slanting toward the GOP. I don't see it happening for you.....:boom:

Guest 09-02-2015 07:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107716)
The Supreme Court does NOT speak for the majority. They just give their slant on a law, based on their ideology, conservative or liberal.

Only 58% of the eligible voters turned out to vote, with Obama receiving 51% of the popular vote. That means that Obama was elected by about 29.5% of the total eligible voters. A quarter of the total registered votes is HARDLY a majority of America. Before you say well this president only received this many votes or this many, you are the one that made the incorrect statement that Obama was elected by the "majority of America." That is simply not true. The majority of America did NOT vote for Obama. Only the majority of the voter turnout, which was only about 3% more than Romney.

As far as a Democrat getting the majority of the vote in the 2016 election, logic dictates different right now. If Clinton gets the nomination, she won't have the black turnout that Obama had, she is losing the female vote, the Latino vote is still undecided, and right now the Independent vote is slanting toward the GOP. I don't see it happening for you.....:boom:

What he said!!!

:ho:

:boom:

Guest 09-02-2015 07:58 AM

Since we all (?) agree that ONLY Americans who vote are the ones who count, it is fair to say that 51 percent of American voters (a majority of American voters) voted for Pres. Obama. The 29.5 percent of all eligible voter received by Pres. Obama was a greater number than the number garnered by Romney.

If a person did not vote, they have no one to blame except for themself for the person elected and therefore, these people do not count.

As far as the Supreme Court, their decisions are based upon the majority of the Court- as written in the Constitution.

Guest 09-02-2015 08:21 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107770)
Since we all (?) agree that ONLY Americans who vote are the ones who count, it is fair to say that 51 percent of American voters (a majority of American voters) voted for Pres. Obama. The 29.5 percent of all eligible voter received by Pres. Obama was a greater number than the number garnered by Romney. Hence confirming the majority of Americans DID NOT vote for Obama (no matter how the picture is painted)!

If a person did not vote, they have no one to blame except for themself for the person elected and therefore, these people do not count. Nice try. Whether they ever voted or not has not one thing to do with being an American. They are, like it or not part of that number labeled total Americans, and they actually do count, like it or not.

As far as the Supreme Court, their decisions are based upon the majority of the Court- as written in the Constitution.

Yes and a majority is in fact nothing more than the most votes whether in the millions + 1 or winning vote of 5 VS 4.

What if someone labeled you as a non count person because you are registered on TOTV? Or because you live in TV? One either is or is not an American. And if they are they are one of the total number of Americans. Has nothing to do with anything else.

Re-definition of convenience only works if the majority allows it! :a20:

Guest 09-02-2015 09:47 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107770)
Since we all (?) agree that ONLY Americans who vote are the ones who count, it is fair to say that 51 percent of American voters (a majority of American voters) voted for Pres. Obama. The 29.5 percent of all eligible voter received by Pres. Obama was a greater number than the number garnered by Romney.

If a person did not vote, they have no one to blame except for themself for the person elected and therefore, these people do not count.

As far as the Supreme Court, their decisions are based upon the majority of the Court- as written in the Constitution.

Since we don't "all" agree that only the ones that voted count, you premise is flawed. A non-vote is not a vote for Obama, so he did not get the majority like it was stated. He only got the majority of the votes cast. Big difference. The idea or theme of this thread was "does the majority rule in America?"

The supreme court decisions are not based on the consensus of the American majority. It is merely based on the majority vote of a few old term limitless judges, and that majority is usually controlled by the political party in power, or had the most appointments to the court.

Our country is not a pure democracy. We are a democratic republic, which means that we are supposed to be represented by politicians that we elect. The majority does not make law. For example, the even though the majority might favor civil unions between gays, the majority does not favor gay marriage. The majority do not rule in America.

Guest 09-02-2015 11:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107837)
He only got the majority of the votes cast. Big difference.

The supreme court decisions are not based on the consensus of the American majority. It is merely based on the majority vote of a few old term limitless judges, and that majority is usually controlled by the political party in power, or had the most appointments to the court.

In order to change the lifetime terms of the Supreme Court justices, the Constitution would have to be amended- just as it would in order to impose term limits on Congress.

You are right in saying that he interpretations by the Supreme Court justices are a majority of the justices. The sitting President will always try to fill vacant seats with judges who have the same political bent as the President. Didn't really work out that way with GW Bush appointing John Roberts, did it? :a20:

Guest 09-02-2015 11:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107913)
In order to change the lifetime terms of the Supreme Court justices, the Constitution would have to be amended- just as it would in order to impose term limits on Congress.

You are right in saying that he interpretations by the Supreme Court justices are a majority of the justices. The sitting President will always try to fill vacant seats with judges who have the same political bent as the President. Didn't really work out that way with GW Bush appointing John Roberts, did it? :a20:

Liberals always think that doing something is impossible. To conservatives, the impossible just takes a little longer. Liberals think that doing something bad is better than doing nothing. That's why we have Obamacare. How many Amendments do we have? How did we get them, if it is impossible?


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