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Guest 09-01-2015 10:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107657)
Does the majority still rule in America? You bet it does!

The Supreme Court majority decisions on ACA and same sex marriage were majority decisions.

The majority of Americans (51 percent) voted for Pres. Obama.

Looks as though the majority of America will vote for a Democratic President again in 2016.

As we socialist Progressives like to say. :boom: :MOJE_whot::a040:

Please stop spreading the false commentary about 51% of Americans voted for Obama. It simply is not true.
Maybe we will allow that 51% of the Americans that voted.
Nice try....again.

Guest 09-02-2015 05:28 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107657)
Does the majority still rule in America? You bet it does!

The Supreme Court majority decisions on ACA and same sex marriage were majority decisions.

The majority of Americans (51 percent) voted for Pres. Obama.

Looks as though the majority of America will vote for a Democratic President again in 2016.

As we socialist Progressives like to say. :boom: :MOJE_whot::a040:

The Supreme Court does NOT speak for the majority. They just give their slant on a law, based on their ideology, conservative or liberal.

Only 58% of the eligible voters turned out to vote, with Obama receiving 51% of the popular vote. That means that Obama was elected by about 29.5% of the total eligible voters. A quarter of the total registered votes is HARDLY a majority of America. Before you say well this president only received this many votes or this many, you are the one that made the incorrect statement that Obama was elected by the "majority of America." That is simply not true. The majority of America did NOT vote for Obama. Only the majority of the voter turnout, which was only about 3% more than Romney.

As far as a Democrat getting the majority of the vote in the 2016 election, logic dictates different right now. If Clinton gets the nomination, she won't have the black turnout that Obama had, she is losing the female vote, the Latino vote is still undecided, and right now the Independent vote is slanting toward the GOP. I don't see it happening for you.....:boom:

Guest 09-02-2015 07:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107716)
The Supreme Court does NOT speak for the majority. They just give their slant on a law, based on their ideology, conservative or liberal.

Only 58% of the eligible voters turned out to vote, with Obama receiving 51% of the popular vote. That means that Obama was elected by about 29.5% of the total eligible voters. A quarter of the total registered votes is HARDLY a majority of America. Before you say well this president only received this many votes or this many, you are the one that made the incorrect statement that Obama was elected by the "majority of America." That is simply not true. The majority of America did NOT vote for Obama. Only the majority of the voter turnout, which was only about 3% more than Romney.

As far as a Democrat getting the majority of the vote in the 2016 election, logic dictates different right now. If Clinton gets the nomination, she won't have the black turnout that Obama had, she is losing the female vote, the Latino vote is still undecided, and right now the Independent vote is slanting toward the GOP. I don't see it happening for you.....:boom:

What he said!!!

:ho:

:boom:

Guest 09-02-2015 07:58 AM

Since we all (?) agree that ONLY Americans who vote are the ones who count, it is fair to say that 51 percent of American voters (a majority of American voters) voted for Pres. Obama. The 29.5 percent of all eligible voter received by Pres. Obama was a greater number than the number garnered by Romney.

If a person did not vote, they have no one to blame except for themself for the person elected and therefore, these people do not count.

As far as the Supreme Court, their decisions are based upon the majority of the Court- as written in the Constitution.

Guest 09-02-2015 08:21 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107770)
Since we all (?) agree that ONLY Americans who vote are the ones who count, it is fair to say that 51 percent of American voters (a majority of American voters) voted for Pres. Obama. The 29.5 percent of all eligible voter received by Pres. Obama was a greater number than the number garnered by Romney. Hence confirming the majority of Americans DID NOT vote for Obama (no matter how the picture is painted)!

If a person did not vote, they have no one to blame except for themself for the person elected and therefore, these people do not count. Nice try. Whether they ever voted or not has not one thing to do with being an American. They are, like it or not part of that number labeled total Americans, and they actually do count, like it or not.

As far as the Supreme Court, their decisions are based upon the majority of the Court- as written in the Constitution.

Yes and a majority is in fact nothing more than the most votes whether in the millions + 1 or winning vote of 5 VS 4.

What if someone labeled you as a non count person because you are registered on TOTV? Or because you live in TV? One either is or is not an American. And if they are they are one of the total number of Americans. Has nothing to do with anything else.

Re-definition of convenience only works if the majority allows it! :a20:

Guest 09-02-2015 09:47 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107770)
Since we all (?) agree that ONLY Americans who vote are the ones who count, it is fair to say that 51 percent of American voters (a majority of American voters) voted for Pres. Obama. The 29.5 percent of all eligible voter received by Pres. Obama was a greater number than the number garnered by Romney.

If a person did not vote, they have no one to blame except for themself for the person elected and therefore, these people do not count.

As far as the Supreme Court, their decisions are based upon the majority of the Court- as written in the Constitution.

Since we don't "all" agree that only the ones that voted count, you premise is flawed. A non-vote is not a vote for Obama, so he did not get the majority like it was stated. He only got the majority of the votes cast. Big difference. The idea or theme of this thread was "does the majority rule in America?"

The supreme court decisions are not based on the consensus of the American majority. It is merely based on the majority vote of a few old term limitless judges, and that majority is usually controlled by the political party in power, or had the most appointments to the court.

Our country is not a pure democracy. We are a democratic republic, which means that we are supposed to be represented by politicians that we elect. The majority does not make law. For example, the even though the majority might favor civil unions between gays, the majority does not favor gay marriage. The majority do not rule in America.

Guest 09-02-2015 11:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107837)
He only got the majority of the votes cast. Big difference.

The supreme court decisions are not based on the consensus of the American majority. It is merely based on the majority vote of a few old term limitless judges, and that majority is usually controlled by the political party in power, or had the most appointments to the court.

In order to change the lifetime terms of the Supreme Court justices, the Constitution would have to be amended- just as it would in order to impose term limits on Congress.

You are right in saying that he interpretations by the Supreme Court justices are a majority of the justices. The sitting President will always try to fill vacant seats with judges who have the same political bent as the President. Didn't really work out that way with GW Bush appointing John Roberts, did it? :a20:

Guest 09-02-2015 11:46 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1107913)
In order to change the lifetime terms of the Supreme Court justices, the Constitution would have to be amended- just as it would in order to impose term limits on Congress.

You are right in saying that he interpretations by the Supreme Court justices are a majority of the justices. The sitting President will always try to fill vacant seats with judges who have the same political bent as the President. Didn't really work out that way with GW Bush appointing John Roberts, did it? :a20:

Liberals always think that doing something is impossible. To conservatives, the impossible just takes a little longer. Liberals think that doing something bad is better than doing nothing. That's why we have Obamacare. How many Amendments do we have? How did we get them, if it is impossible?


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