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Guest 12-11-2011 06:56 PM
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Am I correct in observing that neither side of the aisle, as represented on this forum, wants another 4 more Obama years?!?
You are correct!

Guest 12-11-2011 07:01 PM
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Am I correct in observing that neither side of the aisle, as represented on this forum, wants another 4 more Obama years?!?
You are far from correct. Vote Obama in '12.:laugh:

Guest 12-12-2011 09:21 AM
Don't vote for him to be President, require that we make him KING for live, just like Edi Da Da.

Guest 12-12-2011 09:37 AM
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You are far from correct. Vote Obama in '12.:laugh:
I wouldn't go that far...there is no one currently in the race for whom I would vote. Maybe Romney, which would make him the first republican I have ever voted for for president. I am glad Cain had the smarts to cut and run...Newtie should be next. He always implodes.

I once again read a Coulter column this weekend. That makes two. I did not know any of that stuff about his connection with the Toffler's. Or maybe I did know and have forgotten. :laugh:

Guest 12-12-2011 10:02 AM
President Obama's administration saved this country from a great depression, saved the auto industry, created affordable health care, and repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" of the military. All very positve things.

He will be re-elected in 2012 without a doubt.

Guest 12-12-2011 10:41 AM
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Obviously Congress runs the show and I might add, NOT very well!....I agree with VK that incumbents need to GO!....But will that really happen?....Frustrating!





Wait a second - Junior said he was "the decider".

Congress doesn't run the show - "the decider" does.

Guest 12-12-2011 11:38 AM
Both Speaker Gingrich and Gov Romney pledge to repeal The Affordable Care Act, and both support the Paul Ryan plan to end medicare as we know it and replace it with a voucher system. Without The Affordable Care Act, insurance companies can once again discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. Good luck to the 80 year old with pre-existing conditions shopping for health insurance on the open market with their voucher. I don't know how anyone on or near medicare could support either one of these candidates.

Guest 12-12-2011 12:07 PM
As long as the press makes the decision who we are going to be able to vote for nothing good is going to happen. They (the press) accomplish the choice of candidates thru the polls and opinions they control and conduct. If the outcome of a poll isn't to their liking, we never hear about it. So far, our current POTUS doesn't seem to have any, according to the press, opposition that has a chance of defeating him. IMHO the current POTUS has not accomplished what he promised to do. He took the job to get things done, not to make excuses why it hasn't been completed. I, for one, am sick and tired of politics. When is someone going to stand up and be a leader and fix the problems instead of making excuses or worse yet compromises. .

Guest 12-12-2011 12:20 PM
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President Obama's administration saved this country from a great depression, saved the auto industry, created affordable health care, and repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" of the military. All very positve things.

He will be re-elected in 2012 without a doubt.

No, he created a facade of those.....a facade for which we and our kids are paying trillions of dollars in INTEREST on DEBT instead of having the confiscated tax dollars to use ourselves to keep our household economies solvent, put our kids thru college, and pay off our mortgages.

It is frightening how people fall for such WINDOW DRESSING!

Guest 12-12-2011 12:22 PM
Buggy: He most certainly did NOT create affordable health care. For one, his plan hasn't even hit yet. Secondly, it's welfare for private insurers who will continue to milk as much money as they can for their stockholders as is possible. I mean, we couldn't even pass a clause in the bill that would require Big Pharma to offer drugs to Medicare/Medicaid at no higher price than they sell to other national health services.

In his wildest dreams MAYBE he could BRING affordable health care to this country but it has ALREADY been created in every other industrialized nation in the world.

Guest 12-12-2011 12:52 PM
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Both Speaker Gingrich and Gov Romney pledge to repeal The Affordable Care Act, and both support the Paul Ryan plan to end medicare as we know it and replace it with a voucher system. Without The Affordable Care Act, insurance companies can once again discriminate against people with pre-existing conditions. Good luck to the 80 year old with pre-existing conditions shopping for health insurance on the open market with their voucher. I don't know how anyone on or near medicare could support either one of these candidates.
The statement in bold is SCARE TACTIC as usual from the Statists. Scare tactics are irresponsible in their twisting and omission of facts.

With a little bit of READING, one can learn a lot, as in this analysis of the Congressional Budget Office, particularly the "Key Features of the Proposal" section beginning on Page 7:

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" * People who turn 65 in 2022 or later years and Disability Insurance beneficiaries who become eligible for Medicare in 2022 or later would not enroll in the current Medicare program but instead would be entitled to a premium support payment to help them purchase private health insurance.

* Beneficiaries of the premium support payments would choose among competing private insurance plans operating in a newly established Medicare exchange. Those plans would have to comply with a standard for benefits set by the Office of Personnel Management. Plans would have to issue insurance to all people eligible for Medicare who applied and would have to charge the same premiums for all enrollees of the same age....."
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc...yan_Letter.pdf

Guest 12-12-2011 02:07 PM
Interesting Marist poll out today shows President Obama beating both Gov Romney and Speaker Gingrich outside the margin of error in South Carolina. South Carolina has not voted for a democrat for president since Jimmy Carter in 1976.

Guest 12-12-2011 02:27 PM
IjustloveTV should have read deeper into the document he quoted. The Ryan proposal would cost the taxpayer MORE money. Good luck on trying to get the coverage for a pre-existing condition, too.


"To summarize, a typical beneficiary would spend more for health care under the proposalthan under CBO’s long-term scenarios for several reasons. First, private plans would cost more than traditional Medicare because of the net effect of differences in payment rates for providers, administrative costs, and utilization of health care services,as described above. Second, the government’s contribution would grow more slowly than health care costs, leaving more for beneficiaries to pay."

Guest 12-12-2011 03:50 PM
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The POTUS is the "face" of the United States throughout the rest of the world. More importantly, his appointees play significant roles in the operation of the government and the direction it takes. Functions such as Treasury, State and Defense are particularly important. Those departments are run by presidential appointees.

Domestically, the POTUS can serve in an important leadership role (something I've been very disappointed in from President Obama). You can't expect, and will never get, "leadership" from the Congress, they are a law-making body. While both the POTUS and members of the House and Senate are elected from political parties, members of Congress stay very close to their political roots in what the say and do. The POTUS on the other hand should be expected to speak out to the country and for the country, both to the electorate as well as the Congress itself. He has an agenda and priority setting role that is very important. And the way the POTUS explains and sells his agenda to the people can be very important in coalescing the country and directing the Congress towards proper governance.

There's no need getting into examples of presidents who were effective at providing such leadership and direction other than naming a few names, it's so obvious. Compare Reagan, Kennedy, Clinton to a few others: Carter, Bush 41, and Obama. The effect that the POTUS can have on the country is pretty apparent.
:agree:

Guest 12-12-2011 04:29 PM
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President Obama's administration saved this country from a great depression, saved the auto industry, created affordable health care, and repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" of the military. All very positve things.

He will be re-elected in 2012 without a doubt.
And ended the war in Iraq and killed Bin Laden et al.


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