Wow, cool down, old buddy and take a deep breath. I do not accuse others of stupidity. Those words would not be acceptable on TOTV. Parrots of others happens to be another thing, though. Those are the same words that FOX has used many times on their programs.

I am not bashing by any means. I am not frustrated with anything except my golf game.

Personally, I think this Executive Order by OUR President was a brilliant political move and took all the wind out of Marko Rubio's still unwritten plan for the same thing and also that Mr. Romney will be hard put to criticize it since it was something Rubio was offering up, too.

I just wish that more than 38% of the eligible U.S. population would actually go to the polls and VOTE! Very sad.

It's also going to be "interesting" to see how this promotes JOBS for American citizens and legal residents who are out of work and seeking a job.

But then, maybe the young illegals with work permit won't be job competition, since they will get full financial aid for college based on financial need and preferred minority status.

And now I have to go and barf.

In 2008, President Obama received the most votes for a presidential candidate in American history, and the turnout was 63%. Hopefully, he'll make history again in 2012.


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bottom line was that he could NOT bring a sufficient number of pols in line with his desire!

Since the Republicans are under marching orders from their Tea Party supporters of their PAC money "to dig in their heels and not compromise", President Obama decided the best way to get something similar to the DREAM Act passed was by Executive Order.

This was a brilliant move that took the wind out of the sails of the Republican plan to make their DREAM Act a plan drawn up by Marko Rubio. They cannot come back with an alternative plan now and they cannot criticize because their own Tea Partier Rubio was going to have a very similar plan their "gamewinner Hail Mary" for the Republican Convention.

I will bet you that Obama regrets this day. He going to be the victim of intense backlash. He will scale back his rhetoric very soon.

buggyone - you give the tea party and its supporters way too much credit! ;)

Intense backlash from whom? The right-wing nut jobs who were never going to vote for him in the first place. Perhaps this will get congress to work on comprehensive immigration reform. Perhaps not.

If congress won't get the job done, the president has no choice but to go it alone. According the today's New York Times, "This was well within President Obama's authority to do so because the federal government can decide how to enforce immigration law".



http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/op...egalimmigrants


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I love that they do this though, because it illustrates nicely for us the misdirection of their efforts. It's why they will lose.

i don't think backlash wil come just from the right - more likely from those who can't get college loans and/or jobs and others who are sick and tired of paying for the health care the illegals have been getting for free since their parents carried them over the border.

The outrage coming from the right is just precious. Expect one of these cabinet-level directives every Friday. Mitt Romney won't know what hit him. Team Obama is just getting fired up and ready to go.

You are forgetting that the Republicans were planning to bring out their own version of the DREAM Act. This is very similar to what they were planning and it took all the wind out of their sails. Tremendous coup by the Democrats and President Obama.

Having an elected congress (however inept )debate an issue is one thing. Having the President find a way to make it law as a political stunt is another.

I, frankly, am tired of this man being given a pass on his absence of leadership and his constant and all consuming use of the oval office for politics.

He is aware this will be overturned after the election and he is refusing to assist in insuring that illegals are pruned from the voting lists....HE REFUSES to assist..amazing. This was a stunt, and in my opinion, will cost him,not get him the election.

No US CITIZEN is going to laud this unless they are party loyalist....there is no control over any of it and he knows it.

His character and lack of leadership of this country has always been my top two reasons to oppose him and he keeps on insuring that I am correct.

country be damned !!!!

The Imperial Presidency. The citizens will revolt, if Congress doesn't shut him down.

i didn't forget that AT ALL! IF the Rs HAD come out with a plan or even have a plan to come out with - they could NOT implement it by executive order! and the fact that the prez did so just goes to show how intimidated he is by what the Rs might do before he can! lol

the good news is that any obama executive order can be rescinded with a few strokes of a pen - unlike unemployment - as obama has shown!

Get your musketloader ready. :boom:

Don't hold your breath waiting for either one to happen.

While a long shot for sure ...I KNOW that you know VK that this President does not even talk to his own party in congress...it has been discussed on Morning Joe more than once. His party is going to be under pressure...he has allowed, and this is my opinion, this congress to waffle...no leadership whatsoever. As I said, I KNOW that you have heard the same thing...he is in his world playing and using the country as a pawn in his little political game.

But you are correct...it is not something that is likely but I spoke to a number of political types in Tampa yesterday and today and the Democrats are not swooning any longer for sure.

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....I'm guessing there are a whole lot of people like Mrs. Kahuna and me--people who voted for Obama and even contributed to his campaign in 2008--who won't be voting for him in November.

I'd like to get enthused about the prospects that things will change in the country as the result of the fall elections. There will be some pushes and pulls in the Congress. The GOP might even get a majority in both he House and the Senate. But they won't get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. The likely result is that the Democrats will continue to frustrate the legislative process with purely politically-driven maneuvers. Instead of the anti-Obama moves we've seen from the GOP, it'll become anti-Romney, anti-Republican.

I wish I could project, in my own mind anyway, Mitt Romney being such a strong and compelling leader that he will be able to lead the country, maneuver the Congress to accomplish something, regain our status as a voice in the world that must be listened to.

While I'll vote for him, I can't project him into that kind of leadership role. I only hope that I'm as wrong with Romney as I was with Obama four years ago.

Well, for one time only I will say I told you so on Obama in 2008.....a bigger phoney we have never had in this high political arena !!!

However, your point on Romney is fair. I couldnt project Reagan either to be quite frank..

What I DO KNOW is that no matter who wins the other party will resist him in congress. If it is Romney, he will need to immediately forge some kind of partnerships with the Democrats, hopefully people not of the Pelosi, Reid, Frank ilk in order to get anything done.

I do not think that Obama has a snowballs chance in anything to forge those kind of things with the Republicans. Not all his fault, but this guy has burned all his bridges to get political gains. He has tried..yep tried..from day one to put the Republicans in a bad light (and if you want I will be glad to give you a list of things he did the first two years to do that) and the folks still voted in the Republicans to congress. If he gets reelected he better have control of both houses.

This is so obviously in response to Florida purging illegals off of the voter registration. The next step will be an executive order followup for them to vote.

It will be the congressman and senators who will feel the backlash back home.

The tyrant in the white house, "didn't ask for an argument".

buggyone: Just so you know I watch Fox News but I also watch other news casts from NBC, CBS, ABC etc. I read the Wall Street Journal and anyone familar with it understands that their point of view is primarily how political activity affects the market and hence people's investments. I subscribe to various newletters etc etc etc. To suggest that the only basis for someone to use chavez-esque, amateur, dictator backdoor assualt and fiat singly because they watch Fox News is as liberals are fond of saying "disingenious" and short sighted to suggest that people limit their views based on Fox News.
What you didn't say and what I believe to be true is that these terms accurately describe this artful dodger.

You are far too intelligent to actually believe your above-mentioned post but I congratulate you on a good college try. Finally given the poor character of Obama I am surprised that you would throw your support behind him

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[QUOTE=Guest;507041]buggyone: Just so you know I watch Fox News but I also watch other news casts from NBC, CBS, ABC etc. I read the Wall Street Journal and anyone familar with it understands that their point of view is primarily how political activity affects the market and hence people's investments. I subscribe to various newletters etc etc etc. To suggest that the only basis for someone to use chavez-esque, amateur, dictator backdoor assualt and fiat singly because they watch Fox News is as liberals are fond of saying "disingenious" and short sighted to suggest that people limit their views based on Fox News.
What you didn't say and what I believe to be true is that these terms accurately describe this artful dodger.


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Well, Rubicon, I have heard all these words on the rare occasions I have FOX News turned on. I do like the local FOX because I think their weather reporting is the best we have in the area. Yes, I do believe the posters who use those words are merely parrots without any original thought of their own.
I am not going to get goaded into an arguement about that, though. It was hilarious yesterday when the local FOX commentator had a Latino attorney on to deride the Executive Order to say it was illegal. The attorney praised it and said it was completely legal and a great move for the President to make. The commentator was actually stammering in trying to get the attorney to say words that Fox wanted to hear - they never came!

I am glad to see you are such a news hound. Perhaps you saw in this morinings Daily Sun that Mitt Romney had to back off his tough immigration stance due to President Obama's Executive Order. This is causing a big problem for the Republicans and they are flummoxed at this time. I wonder what they will try to do in response to the Executive Order.

Excellent point, the answer is there no benefit to legal Americans, he thinks he is the President of the world, remember he has at least two relatives here illegally. I guess he thinks it is a matter of fairness for NON Americans!

[quote=buggyone;507082]Buggy, the only reason you "accuse" people of getting info from FOX News is to demean the poster in an allusion to being some sort of mindless dolt who would have no clue otherwise.

The idea that anyone would have to defend watching the most watched cable new network on television to you is ludicrous anyway.

You get your ideas and false conclusions from some of the most odious left wing rags and broadcasts that man can devise............ (how did that feel)

I just said that to make a point, that your intentions in doing what you do in this regard is to hurt. I'm just saying.

How many more ways can Mitt Romney say nothing about reversing President Obama's cabinet-level directive on immigration? First he said he would veto the bill if passed by congress if he were president, then he said he would repeal the law when president. Today on "Face the Nation" Bob Scheiffer asked him three times if he would repeal it. Here is how he avoided the question again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1603549.html


http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.co...reverse-obamas

Vice Presidential hopeful Tim Pawlenty flays President Obama for failing to pass the Dream Act through congress, on ABC's This Week today. Does Pawlenty believe the GOP was wrong to block it in the senate?

Frankly, Romney was right on !!!!!

This "stunt" will be reversed or changed dramatically no matter who is elected, and there are yet to be any "rules" of his stunt announcement. It was a great political stunt, that I will admit, but that is what it is. It is simply ANOTHER political move using our country as a toy to advance a political plan.

He totally ignored the issue for years.....and no matter how inept congress may be, and they are, he is the President and needs to supply leadership. Both sides in congress are blocking each other at every turn and this man does not even talk to his own party.

It is a stunt, and except for those he aimed it at, it will and is being seen as such.

Why folks take pride, and you actually are not seeing much of that except for those who are party trolls , in such an action is something that is beyond me and most others of any import. Most are not even discussing it as they know full well why it was done and it just lessens any respect left for this man.

To do this in an election year for no apparent reason, other than "its the right thing to do" is being treated as it should be....a stunt that is again using people. I suppose it just became the "right thing to do" !!!

still waiting for the Obama supporters reply to why they think this amnesty vote buying charade is a good deal for America?

Same question raised in several threads by some of us and the same eerie silence. Must be on the do not discuss or answer list. Or the responses have not been distributed yet!

Or it is the continuation of as long as Obama did it, said it....it is OK.

:shrug:

btk

The only "positive" was by a poster who suggested it would be great for the Villages in that they would know that the landscapers and folk working with the concrete would show up for work.

An extremely racial remark, and a great example of profiling but thus far the only comment that allowed something positive can come out of it.

The waiting is the hardest part....:doh:

[quote=buggyone;507082]buggyone: Obama's stunt has created a big problem for both Republicans and Democrats because Obama has flummoxed them all but the biggest loser is going to be Obama himself. Do you believe as a Democrat Senator or Congressman that you would have any respect or confidence in a guy that governs by fiat in a Chavez-esque manner? Yes I used those Fox Noise two words again, except Chavez-esque is mine and fiat is used by most news outlets Obama's own party is turning on him .

[quote=rubicon;507148]Yes, definitely Democrat Senators or Congressmen will have a lot of respect for this President who knows how to get things done when a Tea Party-esque House will not do any compromising and is mule stubborn.

I am happy you are able to drive around in your Fiat and hope that Chavez gives you all the gasoline you need for coining a term.

[quote=buggyone;507158]In leftist-speak:

"compromise" means you agree with us.

It also means that when Obama proposes a budget and all vote against it, it's still blamed on Republicans.

When Bush acted it was high treason; when Obama acts it's OMG, he's brilliant; I have tingles going up my leg.

I really would like RichieLion to defend his statement of;"When Bush acted it was high treason" with some examples.

Could he be thinking of lying about WMDs in order to involve the US with an illegal war with Iraq? Well, those lies did cost the US trillions of dollars and wasted over 4,400 American lives.

Invading Iraq really does not compare with the newly signed DREAM Act by an Executive Order, in my opinion.

What are some examples of the "high treason" that liberals tie to Bush?

From July 2008..

"Barack Obama told House Democrats on Tuesday that as president he would order his attorney general to scour White House executive orders and expunge any that "trample on liberty," several lawmakers said."

From November 2001...

"WASHINGTON - One historian calls it a ``disaster for history,'' but the White House insists a new executive order issued by President Bush balances the public's right to see the records of past presidents with a need to protect national security.

Advocates for the release of government documents say the executive order violates the spirit of the 1978 Presidential Records Act and will usher in a new era of secrecy for papers left behind by America's chief executives. "

From July 2007 (concerning interragation of prisoners)

"Rights activists criticized Bush's order for failing to spell out which techniques are now approved or prohibited. It said instead that CIA interrogators cannot undertake prohibited acts such as torture and murder, and it barred religious denigration and humiliating or degrading treatment "so serious that any reasonable person, considering the circumstances, would deem" it "beyond the bounds of human decency." Detainees, it said, must be provided with "the basic necessities of life," including adequate food and water, clothing, essential medical care, and "protection from extremes of heat and cold."

From Jan 2007 (regarding rules and policy to govern over public health and safety)

"Consumer, labor and environmental groups denounced the executive order, saying it gave too much control to the White House and would hinder agencies’ efforts to protect the public."

From July 2007...

"It would seem that George Bush has found a way to “legally” put an end to any criticism of his war in Iraq. The new Executive Order expands his powers on earlier ones and at first glance appears to be designed to stop the funding of terrorists. However, like any legal document, it is wise to read the “small print” before accepting it."

These are a few...any more, just ask !!!

American Chronicle | New Executive Order from Bush could make Iraq war criticism illegal!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/30/wa...pagewanted=all

Bush Approves New CIA Methods

Critics Blast Bush Order on Papers

Obama Would Order Review Of Bush's Executive Orders

Good job RAGS...and add this to the list...

"As he eyes re-election, President Obama is increasingly flexing his executive muscle to outflank congressional Republicans, even though he railed against such expansive uses of presidential power as a candidate in 2008.

Over the past week alone, Obama pushed through the appointment of a consumer-protection agency head opposed by Senate Republicans, unveiled a plan to recast the U.S. military and slash defense spending and issued new rules allowing some illegal immigrants to remain in the country while they apply for legal status. Obama not only acted without congressional approval, but, in many cases, despite strenuous congressional opposition. "

Obama flexing same powers he once criticized | Campaign 2012 | Washington Examiner

Not exactly the same things but another item he was criticizing folks for and demeaning them and now strides right into the same things...he is and always has been a hypocrite of the highest order !!!

President Obama recess-appointed Richard Cordray to be CFPB Chief on January 4, 2012, not last week as reported above. Immediately following the appointment, Speaker John Boehner threatened to file a lawsuit. Still waiting for that lawsuit to be filed almost six month later.


Obama Bucks GOP, Nominates CFPB Chief | The Nation