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Bog99 11-11-2017 08:01 PM

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Responding to all of the above, my son (graduate, MBA, and daughter in law (graduate) together earn over half a million a year. I, as a college grad, managed to pick "Liberal Arts" and made nowhere near that ever in any salaried position...so I made my living in real estate. Nevertheless, I used my education in that I was able to make conversation with people of every background, since I knew a "little" about a lot of things. It never hurts to know how to spell and use the English language correctly, to know where Belgium is located (it happened) or to know something about a hobby your client may be interested in. Anybody can do that, of course, but I still believe higher education gives you the background where you don't have to start from scratch.

Beyond just the basics of education, the college experience teaches an 18 year old how to live with all kinds of other people, how to adjust being thrown into a totally different experience, how to use your brain discussing subjects with other bright people, how to challenge your professors (without getting flunked), and generally gives young people time to grow up. Military service might do the same, I guess.




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Don Baldwin 11-11-2017 09:06 PM

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Where there are no failures.....everybody wins and nobody loses....where the neutering of excelling and over achievers are made to be on the same level as the care less dregs.

Yup...femoland...where everything/everybody is happy all the time. There ARE no problems in femoland.

They'd rather be operated on by the #15th finisher than the 1st place winner. By a black woman who got a quota.

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From most of the above posts I see that the conservatives are winning their battle to keep voters uneducated and incapable of critical thinking. Every conservative outlet manages to link "liberal" with "education". That's why so many conservative voters are unaware of how to evaluate climate science or excellence in media, how to research and evaluate that research, how and when to question their "leaders". Conservative thinkers have been shown to value "authority" more than liberals, so when the "authority" tells them that college is a waste of time, they obediently accept low level blue collar jobs.

Pay gap between college grads and everyone else at a record

Oh please...the D party IS stupid minorities and women...who can't comprehend logic. You just repeat what you're told.

For 80% of kids...it IS a waste of time because they're NOT going to get hired. Because of the liberals promoting "education"...we've now got 100,000 kids going to school and only 10,000 jobs for them when/if they graduated.

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Responding to all of the above, my son (graduate, MBA, and daughter in law (graduate) together earn over half a million a year. I, as a college grad, managed to pick "Liberal Arts" and made nowhere near that ever in any salaried position...so I made my living in real estate. Nevertheless, I used my education in that I was able to make conversation with people of every background, since I knew a "little" about a lot of things. It never hurts to know how to spell and use the English language correctly, to know where Belgium is located (it happened) or to know something about a hobby your client may be interested in. Anybody can do that, of course, but I still believe higher education gives you the background where you don't have to start from scratch.

Beyond just the basics of education, the college experience teaches an 18 year old how to live with all kinds of other people, how to adjust being thrown into a totally different experience, how to use your brain discussing subjects with other bright people, how to challenge your professors (without getting flunked), and generally gives young people time to grow up. Military service might do the same, I guess.

They're BOTH leeches...skimming for a living. They don't "produce" anything. A f@cking lawyer...and you're PROUD of that? Guess you think she belongs on the bottom of the ocean...it's a pretty universal feeling among us "civilians".

I guess you've never been to either...college OR the military...neither are like that.

mellincf 11-11-2017 09:14 PM

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Abby10 11-12-2017 08:26 AM

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I'm throwing the BS flag on that. :oops:


Which brings into question...a lot of other things you claim. :ohdear:



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

If my husband and I had not seen the bill for ourselves, we wouldn't have believed it either. This electrician was not part of the proposed project but was brought on to troubleshoot a particular problem. Lucky for us, it took him less than 2 hours to rectify the situation. My point was to the poster who was touting the necessity of higher education and called blue collar workers low level workers. I am certainly not against higher education, but was trying to point out that times have changed. Unless you are going for a specific career path, a professional path being the best option, it can be a waste of time and money for most. So many young people graduate with massive debt and then are barely able to get jobs above minimum wage. In the meantime, many trades are wide open and looking for workers. You question my integrity in knowing this to be true.......maybe it's because I'm still in the workforce, unlike many of you, and I see it every day. Many of these young people are still living with their parents into their 30's - not because they are uneducated or even unmotivated, but because they can't find viable jobs and are steeped in debt.

My other point was regarding the changes in job requirements that has occurred over the years. I mentioned a bank teller. I have a cousin who back in the late 60's or early 70's started out as a bank teller with a high school education. Without any further education, just hard work and dedication, she ended up retiring as Vice President of a major bank. Today, she wouldn't have been able to get her foot in the door without a college degree. It's not easy for the young people out there. So much has changed to make it more difficult. Someone on another thread some time back brought up apprenticeship and why we should maybe re-look at that concept. I couldn't agree more - that, in my opinion is how my cousin got to where she was. And my mentioning of my son's experience is also a reflection of that, as he has always said he learned much more in the workplace than he ever did in college. Internships and externships are a reflection of that concept but unfortunately there are too few of those types of positions available.

Taltarzac725 11-12-2017 08:38 AM

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Responding to all of the above, my son (graduate, MBA, and daughter in law (graduate) together earn over half a million a year. I, as a college grad, managed to pick "Liberal Arts" and made nowhere near that ever in any salaried position...so I made my living in real estate. Nevertheless, I used my education in that I was able to make conversation with people of every background, since I knew a "little" about a lot of things. It never hurts to know how to spell and use the English language correctly, to know where Belgium is located (it happened) or to know something about a hobby your client may be interested in. Anybody can do that, of course, but I still believe higher education gives you the background where you don't have to start from scratch.

Beyond just the basics of education, the college experience teaches an 18 year old how to live with all kinds of other people, how to adjust being thrown into a totally different experience, how to use your brain discussing subjects with other bright people, how to challenge your professors (without getting flunked), and generally gives young people time to grow up. Military service might do the same, I guess.


Nicely put. I am probably the wrong person to go to about the value of education having four degrees and spending time at the University of Nevada, Reno; BYU Law School; the University of Denver Graduate School in Librarianship and Information Management; the College of San Mateo; and the University of Minnesota Law School as well as a number of language classes at the U of MN. All this education for the 224 613 Project and working my way through all this in some way or another. Work/study, a stipend grant, night school, some student loans, etc. I have met thousands of people in my academic travelings and helped quite a number as a reference librarian of some kind at some of these colleges and universities.

I did create a vast network for helping with the 224 613 Project but that does not put bread on the table.

This is a work in progress though and involves hundreds of thousands of people.

It did teach me to think critically which is very useful and I sometimes do OK on the FunTrivia.com games.

I have not come up with a way to make money from this humanitarian work of mine though. And it is a great deal of work but done pro bono.

Other schools and universities are very much involved in this 224 613 Project as well. You would have to see my Facebook page to know that however and I fear all the trolls and even worse people who might be on here now. So, most people will not see those Facebook documents.

Abby10 11-12-2017 08:55 AM

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Points well taken for the naive, View-ish, coffee-klatch remarks you responded to.

However, I'd like to point out that the $250/hr electrician is not a free market price for labor. It is a trade-guild racket price. These trades have rigged the system with trade licencing laws to restrict the supply of fill-in-the-blank labor to force up prices, and as you can see, it works, for them, meanwhile you the consumer gets screwed.

This is true for many of the building trades (plumbers and electricians are notorious for) but also doctors (!) (high health care costs, anyone?), dentist, lawyers, accountants... all have their own supply restricting rackets with the (usually) the state governments. These trade restriction laws are Type 2 laws. More on those, as follows:

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Good point about the $250/hr comment. This particular electrician had his own business so I thought it was because of his reputation for troubleshooting difficult situations that he could demand that high of a price. Regardless, I took offense to the poster who called blue color workers low level. A low blow in my book. Many of these people work hard, own their own businesses, and make more money than the average worker, including college grads.

Wiotte 11-12-2017 09:08 AM

Education System Is a Waste of Time and Money
 
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Good point about the $250/hr comment. This particular electrician had his own business so I thought it was because of his reputation for troubleshooting difficult situations that he could demand that high of a price. Regardless, I took offense to the poster who called blue color workers low level. A low blow in my book. Many of these people work hard, own their own businesses, and make more money than the average worker, including college grads.



It’s human nature to construct a ladder gauge for success. It makes them feel better looking down because it’s so depressing looking up.


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Don Baldwin 11-12-2017 10:12 AM

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If my husband and I had not seen the bill for ourselves, we wouldn't have believed it either. This electrician was not part of the proposed project but was brought on to troubleshoot a particular problem. Lucky for us, it took him less than 2 hours to rectify the situation. My point was to the poster who was touting the necessity of higher education and called blue collar workers low level workers. I am certainly not against higher education, but was trying to point out that times have changed. Unless you are going for a specific career path, a professional path being the best option, it can be a waste of time and money for most. So many young people graduate with massive debt and then are barely able to get jobs above minimum wage. In the meantime, many trades are wide open and looking for workers. You question my integrity in knowing this to be true.......maybe it's because I'm still in the workforce, unlike many of you, and I see it every day. Many of these young people are still living with their parents into their 30's - not because they are uneducated or even unmotivated, but because they can't find viable jobs and are steeped in debt.

My other point was regarding the changes in job requirements that has occurred over the years. I mentioned a bank teller. I have a cousin who back in the late 60's or early 70's started out as a bank teller with a high school education. Without any further education, just hard work and dedication, she ended up retiring as Vice President of a major bank. Today, she wouldn't have been able to get her foot in the door without a college degree. It's not easy for the young people out there. So much has changed to make it more difficult. Someone on another thread some time back brought up apprenticeship and why we should maybe re-look at that concept. I couldn't agree more - that, in my opinion is how my cousin got to where she was. And my mentioning of my son's experience is also a reflection of that, as he has always said he learned much more in the workplace than he ever did in college. Internships and externships are a reflection of that concept but unfortunately there are too few of those types of positions available.

You want the best...pay him.

Because they were CONVINCED that they NEEDED an degree to become anything...by the "educational industry". A FOR PROFIT industry.

You're talking about WHITE kids...black and brown kids get slots for doing nothing but showing up and asking.

The EDUCATION INDUSTRY killed them. The schools "teach" for a profit...internships teach to groom their replacement. BIG difference.

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Nicely put. I am probably the wrong person to go to about the value of education having four degrees and spending time at the University of Nevada, Reno; BYU Law School; the University of Denver Graduate School in Librarianship and Information Management; the College of San Mateo; and the University of Minnesota Law School as well as a number of language classes at the U of MN. All this education for the 224 613 Project and working my way through all this in some way or another. Work/study, a stipend grant, night school, some student loans, etc. I have met thousands of people in my academic travelings and helped quite a number as a reference librarian of some kind at some of these colleges and universities.

I did create a vast network for helping with the 224 613 Project but that does not put bread on the table.

This is a work in progress though and involves hundreds of thousands of people.

It did teach me to think critically which is very useful and I sometimes do OK on the FunTrivia.com games.

I have not come up with a way to make money from this humanitarian work of mine though. And it is a great deal of work but done pro bono.

Other schools and universities are very much involved in this 224 613 Project as well. You would have to see my Facebook page to know that however and I fear all the trolls and even worse people who might be on here now. So, most people will not see those Facebook documents.

And yet...you're a stupid ignorant idiot...go figure.

Critical thinking and TRIVIA? They're NOT related you stupid twit.



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Good point about the $250/hr comment. This particular electrician had his own business so I thought it was because of his reputation for troubleshooting difficult situations that he could demand that high of a price. Regardless, I took offense to the poster who called blue color workers low level. A low blow in my book. Many of these people work hard, own their own businesses, and make more money than the average worker, including college grads.

You think it's "normal"...it's "OK"..to pay some fat slob sitting behind his desk $250 an hour because he's a "lawyer". But you have a problem paying the areas BEST electrician who fixed a "difficult situation" the same?

Taltarzac725 11-12-2017 10:18 AM

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It’s human nature to construct a ladder gauge for success. It makes them feel better looking down because it’s so depressing looking up.


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That is actually a wise comment. :bowdown:

Bog99 11-12-2017 10:26 AM

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Good point about the $250/hr comment. This particular electrician had his own business so I thought it was because of his reputation for troubleshooting difficult situations that he could demand that high of a price. Regardless, I took offense to the poster who called blue color workers low level. A low blow in my book. Many of these people work hard, own their own businesses, and make more money than the average worker, including college grads.

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Taltarzac725 11-12-2017 10:28 AM

bog99 slime. He keeps on throwing it on the TOTV Political Forum. Maybe he is a russian troll.

Abby10 11-12-2017 10:29 AM

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You think it's "normal"...it's "OK"..to pay some fat slob sitting behind his desk $250 an hour because he's a "lawyer". But you have a problem paying the areas BEST electrician who fixed a "difficult situation" the same?

If you're addressing me in this quote, I wasn't complaining at all about paying the $250/hr - the guy was a master of his trade and I was quite impressed by his work. I was merely trying to point out that choosing to pursue a trade vs college is not a such a bad idea.

Btw, I never mentioned anything about lawyers, but since you brought it up - no argument with you there - been there, done that, hopefully never again. Talk about throwing money out the window!

Taltarzac725 11-12-2017 10:35 AM

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If you're addressing me in this quote, I wasn't complaining at all about paying the $250/hr - the guy was a master of his trade and I was quite impressed by his work. I was merely trying to point out that choosing to pursue a trade vs college is not a such a bad idea.

Btw, I never mentioned anything about lawyers, but since you brought it up - no argument with you there - been there, done that, hopefully never again. Talk about throwing money out the window!

It is the lawyer's connections with the judges and knowledge of the ins and out of the court system which you are paying for. Too bad we cannot have that kind of information in a library some where? Lawyers would not like that though to have a more level playing field. Instead, lawyers make things more complicated so that they can charge $250 an hour. Some are worth it though just because of their talent to tell a story in front of a jury. Or draft a complicated will taking into account the often archaic property laws you have in each state. It is archaic often so that lawyers and judges can keep on getting the green.

And lets not get started on the Tax Code.

Bog99 11-12-2017 10:51 AM

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If you're addressing me in this quote, I wasn't complaining at all about paying the $250/hr - the guy was a master of his trade and I was quite impressed by his work. I was merely trying to point out that choosing to pursue a trade vs college is not a such a bad idea.

Btw, I never mentioned anything about lawyers, but since you brought it up - no argument with you there - been there, done that, hopefully never again. Talk about throwing money out the window!

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It is the lawyer's connections with the judges and knowledge of the ins and out of the court system which you are paying for. Too bad we cannot have that kind of information in a library some where? Lawyers would not like that though to have a more level playing field. Instead, lawyers make things more complicated so that they can charge $250 an hour. Some are worth it though just because of their talent to tell a story in front of a jury. Or draft a complicated will taking into account the often archaic property laws you have in each state. It is archaic often so that lawyers and judges can keep on getting the green.

And lets not get started on the Tax Code.


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Type 2 laws are a huge boondoggle for lawyers -- so naturally the legal profession loves Femo-Fascism...

... just like the accounting profession loves a stupidly complicated tax code.




https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...ml#post1470752


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...-101-a-248942/



In a sense, the Femo-Fascists are justified in their conceit and contempt for the middle class, because of all these hardships successfully inflicted on them.

For all the success of Femo-Fascism, one wonders why they don't celebrate the humiliation, defeat, and destruction of the middle class, the way Real Americans celebrate liberty.


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rubicon 11-12-2017 01:36 PM

Forced integration of schools caused the dumb-ing down of education.

the once challenging curriculum were replaced with novelty courses such as diversity training, etc

Entrance to college became a political and race became the priary factor with the liberal trope of diversity benefited and broadened education, unless of course you were of Asian descent.

99% of college and university facility lean liberal

the liberal agenda promoted socialism or capitalism, claimed offensive speech was not in First Amendment free speech rights, etc.

High school kids once had an opportunity to focus on college credits business credits trade/vocational credits.

trade jobs go unfilled because e do not have a sufficient supply of trade labor.

we do have too man lawyers, accountant, indian chiefs

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