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Guest 11-01-2011 09:01 AM

I would add that the schools do not use any form of PC and get back to basics of right or wrong.

We all know PC is the license to avoid doing or saying what is right or wrong.
Add permissiveness to PC and you have what we have today....the majority takes a beating!!!!!!

btk

Guest 11-01-2011 12:20 PM

Perhaps its me but isn't this thing upside down. Parents (people) make their main focus,fuss and challenges about whether God can be mentioned in class or if a class can begin with a prayer or a Pledge of Allegiance but little is being said about teaching young kids about the use of condoms and then passing them out. Or about how it is OK to be gay and that a family can be comprised of any combination thereof. And finally we all should be rewarded despite our level of effort and/or contribution. Educators are re-writing our history books and have heavily leaned in favor of very liberal views. These young people are getting a distorted view of America's proud history and only one side of the moral issues

Ethical and moral implications of this belief system is something I do not want to address only that if God and country are off limits in schools then perhaps so should the subjects of sex and gender attraction,etc and should be left for parents to discuss with their children. Frankly I see this as another infringement on "the peoples" freedoms. Frankly I believe we should eliuminate the Department of Education and return control to individual states wherein parents will have much more of a say as to what their young childen are being taught. This post hasn't even address the low quality education our kids are receiving up to and including college. that issue in fact is part of the problem presenting itsel with the OWS students protesting stuents loans. Their degrees in many instances left them ill prepared to serve in corporations.

Guest 11-01-2011 12:32 PM

Yes, talk about God in school could confuse the students and violate their sensitivities, but it is perfectly all right to violate most of the students with talk about applying a condom on a banana or Johnny having two fathers.

Guest 11-01-2011 09:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 413158)
I'm going to have to "Call BS" on that one. Please show me an instance where a Christian religious school, such as a Catholic school, has been forced by government to take down crosses.

Similar things happen all the time in public schools - like a teacher having a Bible on their desk. But I'm talking a *private* religious school.

2009 commencement speech given by Obama at Gerogetown University, a Jesuit institution...IHS and cross covered up per request of the White House. tsk,tsk,tsk

Guest 11-02-2011 05:19 AM

There's a HUGE difference between "taking down" and having something temporarily covered up at the request of a *guest* speaker.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd presume that the WH simply wanted to avoid appearing to endorse any particular religion.

This sounds like a tempest in a teapot - you made it sound like the government was coming in and tearing down crosses. Did Georgetown U. make a big deal of it?

Guest 11-02-2011 06:52 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 413457)
There's a HUGE difference between "taking down" and having something temporarily covered up at the request of a *guest* speaker.

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd presume that the WH simply wanted to avoid appearing to endorse any particular religion.

This sounds like a tempest in a teapot - you made it sound like the government was coming in and tearing down crosses. Did Georgetown U. make a big deal of it?

I disagree. Katz did nothing of the sort.

The White House knew what their institution was based on. Why should they have to cover up anything?

Either accept them as they are and what they stand for or don't accept the invitation.

TSK TSK TSK to Georgetown for going against their principles and a double TSK TSK TSK to the White House for asking them to do it.

Guest 11-02-2011 07:06 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 413473)
I disagree. Katz did nothing of the sort.

The White House knew what their institution was based on. Why should they have to cover up anything?

Either accept them as they are and what they stand for or don't accept the invitation.

TSK TSK TSK to Georgetown for going against their principles and a double TSK TSK TSK to the White House for asking them to do it.

I agree.

Guest 11-02-2011 08:30 AM

Boy djplong,
I wonder if you just play devils advocate or you really believe some of this "BS" that you say.
I guess a law should be passed that says if you have a religious symbol it must have a curtain installed so it can be pulled at any time. That way someone will not be offended or feel uncomfortable or have a conviction.

Lets reprint our money because we don't want to offend all of these "gimee-gimee" people out there on wall street by giving them money with In "God We Trust" on it.

Really I am starting to believe that you look this stuff up and reference it on here just to always present the other side. Not always left but the other side.
Do you really believe this.......

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If I had to hazard a guess, I'd presume that the WH simply wanted to avoid appearing to endorse any particular religion
That did not hold him back when he listened to Rev. Wright. Oh, wait, I guess he believed in that stuff???

Guest 11-02-2011 08:36 AM

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That did not hold him back when he listened to Rev. Wright. Oh, wait, I guess he believed in that stuff???
He listened to him for 19 years before he threw him under the bus for political reasons.

Guest 11-02-2011 11:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 413189)
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s..._at_cat_2.html

There you go. I did not say it had been force to take it down but rather having to fend off the attempts.

Yes - I see the distinction.

Some clarification.

There doesn't appear to be a lawsuit yet. Just an investigation from the "Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights "

The complaint is made by a *GWU* (George Washington University) professor complaining about the CUA (Catholic University of America).

The complaint says there is no space free of crosses and the implication is that he (the complainant) wants a cross-free space. He does NOT seem to say that he wants crosses taken down.

CUA responds that NO student has registered a complaint with them.

Most damning of all against the GWU prof:
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Banzhaf also complained that CUA does not sponsor a Muslim student association. But the Tower reports an Arab American Student Association recently formed on campus. The founder, Wiaam Al Salmi, told the Tower, “The community here is very respectful of other religions and I feel free to openly practice it.”
So, just to restate one of the finer points - there is no lawsuit. Just a complaint to a human rights agency - though I would concur that CUA's response *is* a form of 'fending off'.

People who have known me for a while know that I am no fan of the Catholic Church. But in this case, I'm on their side.

Guest 11-02-2011 01:25 PM

Not a bad response but I have to say that in this day and age the way that people bring lawsuits is by allegations and complaints in the media to bring pressure on someone to do what they want while trying to act like they really are not doing anything. Cowardly if you ask me.
These days using catch phrases like Human rights or discrimination or racist are ways of labeling someone guilty of something without the benefit of the whole truth.
So if you want to pray where there is no cross go out side or build your own mosque close by.
Don't go into a religious school and ask them to change what it is they are about.
Or better yet if it is good for our public schools why not our universities, pray silently to yourself or a moment of silence and quit griping.

Guest 11-02-2011 02:57 PM

Banzhaf was interviewed by Monica Crowley last week, He said that he has filed hundreds of law suits, over the years. He stated that that was what he does. How nice.

Guest 11-03-2011 06:26 AM

...I wonder if he considers himself a 'job creator' keeping lawyers employed.

Guest 11-03-2011 09:57 AM

just for squirts and giggles...the next time you go to a different city just open the yellow pages and take note of how many pages are attorneys/lawyers/legal etc. It is amazingly huge.

All these people are trained to use, abuse, quote or hide behind the letter of the law based solely upon the needs of their current client....whether they are guilty or not or deserving or not or right or wrong. And because there are so many is why we have become such a litigious society.....to keep these masses busy.

btk

Guest 11-03-2011 11:36 AM

Loser Pays,
That would would put and end to most of this PC crap.


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