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Guest 03-23-2016 09:12 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1202680)
"...Our objective is clear: We will degrade, and ultimately destroy, ISIL through a comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy...."

From my previous post:
Did he do it? NO.


Has ISIS been destroyed? NO.

If not, why not?

It does not get much simpler than above......for most.

Did he give a two year timeline as you suggest?[/QUOTE]

You want to make it simple but as Rumsfeld stated:
Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.

Guest 03-23-2016 09:16 AM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 1202680)
"...Our objective is clear: We will degrade, and ultimately destroy, ISIL through a comprehensive and sustained counterterrorism strategy...."

From my previous post:
Did he do it? NO.


Has ISIS been destroyed? NO.

If not, why not?

It does not get much simpler than above......for most.

Did he give a two year timeline as you suggest?[/QUOTE]

Of course he did not. He never does.

Is it OK that ISIS has not been negatively affected since his commitment to ultimately decimate them?
Is it OK ISIS has only gotten larger and more dangerous?
Is it OK for a "leader" to make such a commitment with an open ended time line? And not one word of staus to promise since?

No it is not OK to most of us.

Some of us fully expect people, especially htose who are supposed to be the leaders of our contry, TO DO WHAT THE PROMISE TO DO!

Guest 03-23-2016 09:22 AM

If some young white crazy male wants to walk in theater or school and shoot it up, how would you stop them.

If some young Muslim crazy male walks into subway and blows themselves up, how do you stop them?

If young white Irish crazy Irish male blows up British Bank, how do you stop them?

If some young white crazy male blows up a Federal Building in Oaklahoma, how do you stop them?

If a crazy white guy shoots up PlannedHood in Colorado, how do you stop them?

This is a short list.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror..._United_States for a much longer list starting in the 1800s.

Guest 03-23-2016 09:24 AM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 1202690)
Did he give a two year timeline as you suggest?

Of course he did not. He never does.

Is it OK that ISIS has not been negatively affected since his commitment to ultimately decimate them?
Is it OK ISIS has only gotten larger and more dangerous?
Is it OK for a "leader" to make such a commitment with an open ended time line? And not one word of staus to promise since?

No it is not OK to most of us.

Some of us fully expect people, especially htose who are supposed to be the leaders of our contry, TO DO WHAT THE PROMISE TO DO![/QUOTE]
I choose to agree with Rumsfeld. It's not simple.

Guest 03-23-2016 09:25 AM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 1202686)
Did he give a two year timeline as you suggest?

You want to make it simple but as Rumsfeld stated:
Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know. And if one looks throughout the history of our country and other free countries, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.[/QUOTE]

I did not suggest he gave a time line of any sort.

I am saying he is derilict in his duty to meet his commitment. To either do what he said he was going to do or state why it could not be done. Or that the job is tougher than expected. Or that we have been bomboing the crap out of them and it is not working, so here is what we will do next.

Most of us expect a promise to be delivered upon.
Most of us 18 months later would be just a little curious about when was something going to happen.
Most of us would not make such a commitment without some plan to make it happen. And it is not unreasonable to expect the person in charge to make happen what they commited.

No one would let such a commitment sit for 18 months with no communication of status. And I would be suspect of anyone who would.

Guest 03-23-2016 09:28 AM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 1202698)
If some young white crazy male wants to walk in theater or school and shoot it up, how would you stop them.

If some young Muslim crazy male walks into subway and blows themselves up, how do you stop them?

If young white Irish crazy Irish male blows up British Bank, how do you stop them?

If some young white crazy male blows up a Federal Building in Oaklahoma, how do you stop them?

If a crazy white guy shoots up PlannedHood in Colorado, how do you stop them?

This is a short list.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror..._United_States for a much longer list starting in the 1800s.

Many people, like Quentin Tarantino have this comic book mentality that they will save the day. Remember his movie where a Jewish dirty dozen kills Hitler and all his henchman? If only life was that simple.

Guest 03-23-2016 10:36 AM

I am not sure how this thread got launched into a discussion of what is simple or not.

That was not the intent of the post.

The intent of the post, once again, is to highlight the fact a commitment to destroy ISIS was made by Obama back in 9/2014.

We are entitled to an update. That is what is so simple.

Promises kept vs promises made. And if promise is not attainable then what is the next move to accomplish the promise? Or cancel the promise as no doable or mission accomplished (poor choice of words!!).

The airline promises to take you to NYC.
They sell you a ticket.
You are given no date of departure.
You are given no date of arrival.
No flight number or gate information.

Now just how long would you stand there with the ticket in your hand before asking some of the above?
18 months?

Guest 03-23-2016 11:18 AM

I'm not sure if this makes your point. And if you don't like reading just ignore it. It seems fairly neutral to me. I could be wrong.
Obama vows to 'go after' Islamic State - POLITICO

Guest 03-23-2016 12:36 PM

same as another post in this thread. It did not seem to affect the responses. They were mind made ups already.

Guest 03-23-2016 12:41 PM

Just think what Trumps statements would do!!!

Guest 03-23-2016 01:17 PM

Quote:

Posted by Guest (Post 1202741)
The airline promises to take you to NYC.
They sell you a ticket.
You are given no date of departure.
You are given no date of arrival.
No flight number or gate information.

Now just how long would you stand there with the ticket in your hand before asking some of the above?
18 months?

Less then a minute.


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