Ah Chelsea - hope springs eternal!

But what form will health reform take? Will Princess Nancy and Prince Harry try to ram one of the existing bills down the throats of Americans with the promise to "fix" it later - we all know what happens to the promises of this administration like transparency and bi-partisanship.

Or will they slow down and craft policy that is more amenable to the majority of Americans who already have health care coverage and are happy with it?

,,,Change we can believe in!!!

Amen!

Thanks Cabo... You've made my day... :mademyday:
Little did I think that under that suit, was............. (finish that sentence... LOL) :cryin2:

Chant with me, NO-VEM-BER, NOV-VEM-BER, NOV-VEM-BER!:a040::a040::a040:

Great Scott
 

Great Scott!! I have to agree with you Kathie!! WOWSER!! Holy Bill of Rights Batman!! Thanks Cabo!! Thanks Cosmo!! Thanks Internet!! God bless America!!

You're wrong again!
 

Yoda, you don't even know me. Not only do I care, deeply, about what the American people want, I care about what the American people desperately need!

What gives you the right to infer that you're more patriotic than I am???

My child might not have "wanted" to eat her vegetables... but she "needed" to for her own sake. American's didn't even "want" Medicare, but, wow, don't you love getting that check every month now!

This country desperately "needs" health care reform. Whether you want to face it or not. It's a fact. Plain and simple. And if the Republicans just want to stop it in it's tracks, yet again, for their own selfish reasons... shame on them.

If you want my opinion on the election in Massachusetts, quit frankly, I wouldn't have voted for Coakley either! From the little I followed her, she didn't impress me. See, I vote for the person and not the party. Whether you want to believe that or not! But, I will agree with KathieI, that Scott Brown looks mighty fine on paper!!!! :laugh:

That said, we will see how President Obama handles this. Scott Brown is not the second coming either, as some of you referred to Obama as. And, pssttttt, they don't need 60 for a majority out of 100. I believe that number would be 51!

My fear is that some of you would vote in any Republican, good or bad, just to feel more in control or make a statement. That, in my opinion, is a wasted vote indeed. But, we shall see... we shall see...

They care
 

Yoda I think Progressives pretend to care but they are just misguided.

They are misguided thinking Republicans don't want Health reform.
They are misguided thinking that Obamacare is Health reform.

They were misguided when they trashed fellow Americans who objected
to the socialist decisions made by the present administration.

They are so misguided they are destroying the once great Democrat party.

They are seriously misguided thinking or pretending they are not moving the Country away from the Constitution and toward Socialism.

The Star of Mass dropped his trousers
To glee, applause and "Wowsers"
I'll confess that I'm weak
Was being good, then I peeked
Just to glimpse his, um... family values!

I didn't see the particulars. I do know that he looked mighty good when he was 22. I would give up more than a Senate seat to look like I did at 22.

First of all, I do know you. By your words and ideas. You are a nanny state progressive.

I do not and never have questioned your patriotism. I am sure you are a patriot, just dangerously misguided.

You make my point with your own words. We are not children and government is not our parent.

I have been forced to pay into the government Social Security system with the agreement that they would pay me back if I live long enough. Are you saying that we who receiving what was promised are somehow, bad or just conservatives?

Yes, we do need reform of our health care system. We need to fix the problems like tort reform and unfair practices. We do not need to turn over 1/6 of the economy to the government. A government that is not noted for running things very well.

What are the selfish reasons for the republicans stopping Obamacare? To save the republic?

Respectfully

Yoda

PS I see Obama is now going after the banks. He wants them to loan money to small business. He is going to punish the banks for risky business practices. Is there anything more risky than small business.

The stock market is not happy. Are you?

Chels, within the context of the opening of your salvo at Yoda lies the core of the ideological differences between the left and the right. You and others who tilt left arrogantly presume only you know "what the American people desparately need!"

Your opinion is that the country needs health care reform....other opinions and the Constitution be damned. The Constitution thing is a whole other argument best left for its own thread. You label anyone that disagrees with you and harbors an alternate opinion as selfish. You cavalierly dismiss the reality that other political persuasions have articulated "the need" only you seem to recognize. It is a matter of degree, scale and affordable options that will not collapse the entire economic system where our differences lie.

Regarding your "patriotism" comment. It is important to understand that the word itself means different things to different people. You are obviously intelligent, articulate and have admirable loyalty to your convictions. However, speaking on a very personal level, not to be confused with speaking for others, I hold that word to a very high standard. American blood and treasure has been spilled around the world. Cemeteries on foreign soil are a stunning reminder of the sacrifices made by brave American patriots, men and women who fought Communism, Marxism, radical Islam, Nazism and other murdering tyrannical regimes. Those Americans define my concept of "patriotism".

Personally, hear me please, personally, I cannot bring myself to recognize anyone as a patriot who remotely supports Marxism, Communism or other like manifestations. Please remember, I am speaking for just myself and my own criteria for what I consider a patriot before I use the word. I recognize the divergent opinions of the left to a degree. However, there is a point where the left enters an ideology where patriotism cannot coexist by my definition. That being said, I do not believe the President is a patriot. I believe Yoda is correct and in your heart, you are a patriot.

How about those Jets!

So here's a challenge, defend the current system we have given the following facts:

- We pay more for health care, as a percentage of GDP, than any other country.
- Our health care system is ranked 37th, overall, as far as quality of care.
- Single-payer systems, such as the UK and Canada are ranked 12th and 7th.
- We pay more for our drugs, pill for pill, than any other country - sometimes by ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.
- The top-ranked "systems" (including #1 France) are a hybrid of public and private.
- And even after spending all that money, 1/6 to 1/5 our population has no coverage.

People are defending an indefensible system. We pay the most and get the least.

IMO, the Republicans shouldn't just be saying "NO" to Obamacare. They should be articulating a better alternative and sell THAT message to the public - just like they did with the Contract For America.

Make a 10-point plan with clear, concise line-items, each one describing a fix to one of the problems.

For the record, the worst thing I don't like about 'public' options are having to deal with civil servants. The majority of which are nightmares. But, then, would dealing with a DMV-like clerk be any worse than arguing with an insurance company?