Notice that none of the leftists have mentioned food stamps and all welfare assistance is supposed to be a temporary safety net....NOT a permanent lifestyle in which one can develop a "pay increase" by purposely having more children!

Some of you need to work/volunteer at a county social services office or hospital ER, where 2-3 generations of a family come in who've never seen even one of their parent(s) get up every day and go to work and show the kids a paycheck they earned.

And then people wonder why the kids give up in junior high and decide about finishing school: "What FOR??"

For the last 20 years I worked 6 days a week.I would put 20 dollars in my pocket every week for lunch money and would order off the dollar menu.While others would spend more and always complain they are broke.But they would find money for their $5 starbucks every day.We also sent are kids to school and paid for it.My daughter is a lawyer and has been on a senators staff and happens to be very left and feels she is entitled also.But I blame that on being in Washington to long.My question to you is why should us or anybody else pay for those who go thru life keeping up with the jone's because they were to stupid to plan for their old age?One thing I have learned in my 61 years is more of my friends that lean left are broke then the ones to the right.And that is not because of making less money..Most were just dumb and lived and spent it all.Now they think they are owed by the rest of us.I for one think not.

Lots of good old common sense and clear eyed observation in your post.

Nobody's pulling the wool over your eyes. Bravo.

so HDH a man or woman works for 30 years gets laid off by a lage corporation and cannot find work to support he and his mate. He's got 5 years to payoff the mortgage,a small car payment,and maybe a home improvement loan. I guess you want him to starve and lose everything right? You are cold

Food Stamps were originally sold. Cost was based on person's income and financial status. Pres. Ford changed that to just give them the difference in Food Stamps. So that were, for example, sold for $50 for $100 dollars food stamps, they just gave out $50 food stamps. Then the recepients now can spend the $50 not on foodm but beer and smokes, And then they cry $50 is all they have for food where they were supposed to put up $50 of their own money too.

If the birthrate had not dropped, there would be more young people paying into pension funds.

that is a sad tale but a fact of life for many. And an even more fact of life for many, many, MANY more in years past in a similar or worse predicament who had to go out and get any job that would bring money in the front door. When I was growing up there was no menu of freebies one could ride on forever.

Yup , I think the guy you are making an example needs to go get a job or two or three.

I know and remember some who had no choice but to ride the back of trucks to get to the farms to pick what ever was in season.

Can you see any of today's "needy" doing that? Of course not...they have the federal government to take care of them......

btk

waynet: Perhaps. I lost my job at the age of 48 years. The unemployment rate was horrible and it took me nine months to find another job. I literally had to start all over again. I paid my bills and refused unemployment insurance. You know why? I have pride but then my wife and I never ask anyone, including our parents for one red cent. We paid for our wedding, our honeymoon our fueniture our homes, our education, etc. and my wife and I had the sense not to mortgage ourselves to the hilt. We set money aside for such an event as unemployment without raiding my 401k, etc.

waynet: some people are just plain bad money mnagers. they want it all and they want it now. and those are he type that many taxpayers object to supporting. CA-BISH

Rubicon,
I can understand what you are saying but I do not agree with all of it. Lots of people do not have the recommended 6 months of emergency money and that is not due always to a spendthrift lifestyle.

As you know, I volunteer at the Christian Food Pantry in Lady Lake. There are some who get food and are gaming the system, I know. However, there are also some old folks who are getting only a few hundred dollars on Social Security and that goes for rent and utilities. We have to have compassion on those people, don't we? A few bags of groceries and a few dollars of food stamps keeps these people alive.

I am not preaching to you or anyone else. Villagers are known for their compassion towards others.

Back in the day we didn't need food stamps, we had families. I remember as a kid every Sunday visiting Aunts, Uncles and Grandparents, some had money... some didn't but there was always "enough". Sometimes it was not so good, one Aunt specialized in what we kids called "Aunt Teresa's Spaghetti with Depression Balls"-kind of like meatballs with LOTS OF BREAD-but nobody left hungry. People helped one another, if someone was out of work they stayed with us till they got back on their feet.

Today, my friends and family have children with whole lists of what they don't like. Having these people around turns me into a short-order chef. As a child I wouldn't have dared say I didn't like something.

A few months ago at Publix there was a group collecting food donations, I always try to donate something until I looked at the list... fruit rollups? Jar spaghetti sauce? Prepared foods? I'd say these people don't know what hungry is. I could make a huge pot of pasta fazool for the price of those fruit rollups. Maybe they should lay off the prepared foods and learn how to cook.

Wow, glad you libs can always make the Large Corporation as part of your mantra, as if someone can't get laid off from a small business.

Probably BIG oil too.

I still want to help people,But clean up the fraud,which those on the left do not want to do anything at all.They just think it's fine the way it is.That is just crazy.If you think those on the right here wants to throw people on the street your dead wrong.All I want is the system fixed which Dems don't want,Why?Maybe because the might lose so votes?I don't mine paying my share.Just don't waste it.

Maybe you're talking about a guy who worked for 30 years, kept himself in late model cars which he drove in the latest designer clothes, took great vacations every year without really making any attempt to provide for his future.

This could be the guy you're crying about.

Buggyone, re-read what I said its the. Its the reckless and feckless we are talking about. No one would begrudge a person truly in need that made every attempt to care for themselves. However we have some folks who believe feeding at the government trough is a civil right generation after generation. When will it stop...when we all go under because some people refused to fend for themselves

Look at the situation in Rochester New York wherein a school monitor gets bullied and what do we do donate hundreds of thousands of dollars to her so she can retire. Please I begging someone to bully me on the golf course. That same mentality is allowing a number of people to breed just to get more of a handout. I guess the Pilgrims had it wrong when they sailed over here. They should have demanded a stipend for each family member from the King

The poor here in US need to see how really poor people have to live in places like India, Eqypt, Cambodia and Brunei. They would be thankful of what they had.

As for me, I give to reliable charities.

The way food stamps can be used to get a sandwich at a C store burns me up. The food trucks should arrive on set days. Dry milk, cheese, flour, ground meats and canned veggies etc. Folks can cook it and pack a lunch when they are out looking for work.

HDH,to say people on the left don't want to prevent fraud in the food stamp program or any other program is just wrong. It's like me saying the right doesn't want to clean up corporate fraud. No one wants fraud in any program period.

Richie,you are unbelieveable. I am talking about my next door neighbor whose wife is still working. Yes,he did take vacations with his children,no he didn't have the latest car and no designer clothing. He worked hard and took care of his family. He has saved for his retirement 401K and some other savings. Try helping put 3 kids through college,clothing them,feeding them.Next you'll tell me they shouldn't have kids. Please don't respond to what you think I'm talking about. If you dont want to help people just say so.

Get off it Wayne.

In your post you say "A man or woman works 30 years...blah, blah, blah"

This doesn't sound like anybody you know and appears to be a fable to make some point about.......whatever.

Now it's a guy you know who's wife is still working. (who was the woman in the first post?)

Sorry, I don't believe you in your second post. I think you're making this family up out of whole cloth.

Wrong i doubt it,just look at the posts on this site they call names say the other side is lying ,watch the news every time its brought up they say the problem is a very small % which is crap.I can go back north and 5 mins can get you steaks or what ever at 50% from some moron selling to raise money for some vise.Everyone wants to blame corps,who owns them?all of us if you are getting a pension its because of their earnings of stock in your plan even if from the public sector.You fall for that crap that their are these big evil corps and need to take more from them.All you are doing taking it from yourself in one way or another.less return in your 401k or pension or they raise price of product to keep profit levels and you pay more.The left just wants to tax and spend and build their base,Corps pay to much taxes now.So they move off shore and we lose if we had tax rates on par with the rest of the free world their might be more jobs. You know why union jobs are going away?because they did to them self.When you have janitors in uaw making 80 to 100k a year something is wrong.This I know they were paid same rate as anyone in plant.when times were good would make over 100k cleaning johns. We bring up voters fraud,the left say they are trying to stop people from voting.Here they say we are profiling hispanic's well i ask you how many illegal swedes are in south fla.some times you need to have a little common sense which seems to be lacking when it comes to the left.When they compared drivers license data to voters roles it flagged about 180k that might be illegal.The left says bs.Are people that dumb to believe that the republicans in the state could make this up and not get caught?Never once have I heard people on this site or on the news on the left say maybe we should look in to it.All they say is we are trying to stop people from voting.When it comes to obama care most on the left love it,They don't have a clue what its done to working family's in last 2 years,some are paying 300 to 500 a month increases in ins prem.a in employee plans and get far less t coverage. When I see or hear 1 person on the left say maybe we ought to look at voters fraud or welfare fraud of some sort then I will agree with you.But have not heard that in my adult life and never will.All they care about is their base and creating more of it.Ann Coulter the loon on the right wrote a book titled If the liberals had brains they wood be republicans.I'm starting to think she may be right.

Have you heard the radio ads promoting people to go on food stamps. Put out by the USDA.

Not until you posted. Here is a rundown on it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt6YpY0um8A]Stuart Varney Sounds off on Radio Ad Pitching Food Stamps to Seniors As a Health and Beauty Aid - YouTube[/ame]

Don't know why Varney has a dog in the fight though.

How about those 3 well educated, well fed and well dressed children helping out their parents?

This is one of those political topics that in another thread I mentioned that liberals would use their trick political words (fair and compassionate). See the previous responses from liberals. How can one make alegitimate point because when you try you are labeled either unfair or non-compassionate. and so the political enablers continue to keep many receipients unnecessarily in servitude. And of course all of these "com pasionate politicians want from receipients is their vote.

why do the supporters ever not want to talk about the cheaters, the fraud, the illegals, the illegitimates that are not supposed to be getting food stamps in the first place.

Just once I would like to hear from any of the supporters that they AGREE there are folks who should not be getting food stamps and something should be done about it.

I do know one thing for sure. With no real up close personal investment in the issue it is easy to pontificate about only the good and ignore the bad, the broken and wrong. Now if, like raising the amenity fees here in TV, the supporters had to cough up more of their hard earned money to continue supporting those who don't deserve it....I am sure there would be a different tune.

It is so easy when an issue is not in ones backyard or affect their lives personally. That's why politicians do what they do.

btk

Richie a new low for you. Now you have no response so you call me a liar. Nice.

For those of you who challenge people who oppose ongoing giving as being something other than Christian, I suggest you read the writings of Maimonides, arguable the greatest scholar in the history of Judaism, on charity.
Maimonides' Eight Degrees of Charity

He is clear that the greatest act of charity is helping the person to the point where he/she no longer needs charity. The lowest level of charity is the one who gives to the poor unwillingly. This clearly describes the taxpayer who does not wish to pay more in taxes for someone he/she has never met.

I suggest that those of you who describe people as not being Christian because we oppose permanent handouts follow the instructions of Christ and give directly to the poor 10% or more of your income. Giving to the church or working a few hours a week at your local food pantry does not equal the requirement.

BBQ-

I certainly am not a scholar of the Bible nor do I pretend to be one - nor am I a good Christian although I try my best. I know that my few hours a week at the food pantry is not my way to Heaven nor do I pretend it is a great contribution to anyone.

I did look up tithing and found on Wikipedia (not a wonderful source for the truth) something interesting that may be true or not.

"Many Christians support their churches and pastors with monetary contributions of one sort or another. Frequently these monetary contributions are called tithes whether or not they actually represent ten percent of anything. Some claim that as tithing was an ingrained Jewish custom by the time of Jesus,but no specific command to tithe per se is found in the New Testament."

Giving to others through charity is clearly a personal choice. Who are we to judge others motives or choices?

You're either that or a lousy story teller.

Patty55 has a good comment for you above, also.

Richie sorry,neither...as for pattie their oldest has a job,a good one. His college loans are about $200,000,he has a car payment and rent on an apartment and must work with clothes on and also eat. The other two boys are still in college trying to better themselves. They both work in the summer and neither boy has a car. I just don't think the two of you have a clue. You've got yours the heck with everyone else.

If the kid has loans that high I hope his degree is in a high paying field.If not his parents can't be to smart to let him do something that stupid.Thats another problem letting kids get in debt for so much they can never get out.

Oh, I have a clue-LOL, I worked for a while at DSS. When your friend was laid off he could collect about 2 years worth of unemployment benefits, should have been enough time to find employment-don't ya think? The boys work in the summer? What about the rest of the year? I put myself through school waitressing ALL YEAR. #1 son has $200,000 in student loans-sorry not buying that one, maybe he should have went to a state school-lots of people did you know. Then #1 son gets an apartment and a car loan? Why? Sorry, just not buying it.

As for your final comment, "You've got yours the heck with everyone else" that is an obscenely big assumption on your part. You have no idea what people have or how they got it.

Tell me, since your friends children are unwilling/unable to lend a helping hand, what have you done?

The truth of the matter
 

both waynet and HDH have to agree that there is abuse in the Food Stamp system....No one is cold hearted and wants a family in need to go without, just give them help over the bumps in the road but NOT a lifestyle.

buggyone - what you say is true
 

and I'm sure, as we all know, that the purchase of beer was seperate from the staples , I was very judgemental, but we all make choices, and my choices obviously can be wrong also, I should have listened to the smart jbartle, the one with the filter that says "Think b4 you speak"...IN answer to your question, I do a lot of my grocery shopping at Walmart..and yes, I see this a LOT!...

Food Stamps leading to amazing bodies
 

Gosh these folks complaining about the fraud, abuse and entitlement mentality found in the food Stamp Program apparently have not viewed the USDA's videos on how going on the "Food Stamp Program" can lead you to looking amazing, Nor have they viewed the "Party With Food Stamps" video.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

In my experience one of the biggest problems with all the programs is they are not reaching the deserving poor. We would get in elderly people, sometimes men on an extended strike and you could tell they were so humiliated just to be there. They didn't/wouldn't/couldn't lie, even if you told them the lie to say they'd say something like "That's not true."

The lifetime customers on the other hand, they knew the rules, they knew how to get what they wanted. The children getting their own grant was like a rite of passage. I think all the social programs have contributed to the breakdown of the family.

Maybe they can't buy beer with their foodstamps, but guess what they get with their WIC, baby formula that is being used to manufacture crack.

Now, my personal pet peeve-"Obama phones".:ohdear:

patty55 you describe so well by example what many of the members are complaining about. Personally, I efused to apply for VA benefits becaise 1) I had satisfacotry medical car and 2) I served only 4 years state side. The Navy changed my life for the better. I therefore did not feel entitled to VA benefits like some and also believed that theguys more deserving were those guys directly affected the injured, long serving, etc. In short I felt I was not entitled and it would have been dishonest to apply.

I do feel for those folks who have to swallow their pride and submit.

My daughter coordinates care for children up to 6 years old and it is heart breaking to hear her speak of some situations (of course without identifying anyone). I do then understand there are folks in need....It is the reason i feel so strongly against the big time offenders.

:bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::bigbow::b igbow::bigbow::bigbow: Some just do not want to believe the truth

hdh1470: I may or may not agree with what you have stated. However I can not say until I know to whose "truth" you refer?

Patty and the rest....father has been collecting for close to a year. Still no job in his field or anyhting else close to his expertise. Maybe you can tell him why corporations with record profits aren't hiring......son#1..worked hard in school and earned a right to go to a top flight private school which he was attending when his dad lost his job. To ask him to transfer is total nonsense. We all talk about working hard,this is what this kid did. You want the kid to live in the street and how do you propose he get to work,magic carpet? As for the other 2 kids don't know if they work during school year,I do know they work during long breaks from school. No they do not go to spring break. The wife has a full-time job. To say that the kids are unwilling/unable to help is just stupid on your part. As for what I do to help that is none of your business. This is a family that needs help,they are not looking for a handout,they need temporary help and for you and others to question their motives is wrong,period.

Okey Dokey, if the father has been collecting for close to a year he still has quite a way to go till his benefits run out.

If the wife is working full-time and the husband is collecting unemployment benefits and they have a 25 year old mortgage they are probably way over the threshold to collect much of anything anyway.

In your last scenario #1 son was graduated with a good job, now he can't transfer. The other two don't go to spring break? What a shame.

Whatever, this alleged situation has run the gamut from insipidity to absurdity. :ohdear: