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Guest 06-20-2015 12:34 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076740)
And now a personal attack.....

Yes, I am afraid it is.

I know many, many, many democrats. I discuss politics with a very large percentage of them.

You,in no way, represent that party, their beliefs or anything close.

It is personal because you included my many liberal, democratic friends in a post that was not about them, but about you.

Liberals and Democrats I socialize with want most of the exact same things that I, and my Republican friends want. We differ ONLY how to get where we all think this country needs to go.

They, on both sides, are tired of folks who are extreme in both sides, and who will turn things into. red/blue contest at every turn.

YOU do not represent anything but....well, not even sure what you represent, but don't even try to wave a flag you have no right to.

Guest 06-20-2015 01:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076758)
Yes, I am afraid it is.

I know many, many, many democrats. I discuss politics with a very large percentage of them.

You,in no way, represent that party, their beliefs or anything close.

It is personal because you included my many liberal, democratic friends in a post that was not about them, but about you.

Liberals and Democrats I socialize with want most of the exact same things that I, and my Republican friends want. We differ ONLY how to get where we all think this country needs to go.

They, on both sides, are tired of folks who are extreme in both sides, and who will turn things into. red/blue contest at every turn.

YOU do not represent anything but....well, not even sure what you represent, but don't even try to wave a flag you have no right to.

I went to my first Democratic party meeting in 1961 when I was 10 years. My father took me as he was a committee man. I was a poll watcher in NYC for the McGovern campaign. I wore a Hillary sent me t-shirt to the Obama election party because I made calls for his campaign every Sunday over the campaign and I took election day off to work at the Democratic Headquarters..... You don't know me.

Guest 06-20-2015 01:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076777)
I went to my first Democratic party meeting in 1961 when I was 10 years. My father took me as he was a committee man. I was a poll watcher in NYC for the McGovern campaign. I wore a Hillary sent me t-shirt to the Obama election party because I made calls for his campaign every Sunday over the campaign and I took election day off to work at the Democratic Headquarters..... You don't know me.

I may have met your father !

I became a Democratic committee in late 1961 in Pennsylvania. Held state office in the Democratic Party. Met and spent some time (cup of coffee) with MLK in Philadelphia.

I only know that your posts are NOT anything the party greens with or manifests.

Guest 06-20-2015 01:41 PM

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It was bound to happen.

ONE sick, drugged up, homicidal devil--well-known by the courts--is clearly a racist, and boobs here use that fact to stereotype and brand the entire GOP and the entire FNC viewership as "racists".

Why even try to talk sense to such a pile of rocks.

Haven't looked in here for two months because of such bigotry and hatred from those who call themselves "tolerant" and "open-minded" liberals, and so now I'm outa here again.

What a waste.


You seem to not understand at all what the intent of this thread is. There is no attempt to label the GOP nor Fox as racist. The attempt, which clearly failed to reach into your understanding, is to point out the inability of Fox nor GOP leaders to conceive that the motivation of this act was racism. It had to be something else, like anti-Christianity, or lack of enough guns, or you and governor Perry want to blame drugs. Haley can't understand the motivation, Bush can't either, nor Paul, nor Rubio. And the Fox news team did all it could not to blame racism as long as it could. Yet here we are with Roof's own words, his own website, and that he chose to leave a witness to explain in no uncertain terms that this was an act to kill black people, to start a race war if possible. And the leadership on the right is unable to say the simple words, no modifiers, no qualifiers, This was Racism. Good old Stars and Bars racism.

Guest 06-20-2015 01:52 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076781)
I may have met your father !

I became a Democratic committee in late 1961 in Pennsylvania. Held state office in the Democratic Party. Met and spent some time (cup of coffee) with MLK in Philadelphia.

I only know that your posts are NOT anything the party greens with or manifests.

Northern New Jersey.... think of me as center left.

Guest 06-20-2015 02:07 PM

The killer is clearly racist, a twisted minded wacko. He does not represent all racists!
Racism does exist in America. The killer in no way represents that racism. He is an isolated example.

The incident or the individual does define racism in America........only an isolated twisted, druggie.

The generalization based on an isolated individual is not applicable....however that is too often how these incidents are portrayed only to suit an agenda.

Guest 06-20-2015 02:09 PM

The incident or the individual DOES NOT define racism........correction to the above post.

Guest 06-20-2015 02:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076786)
Northern New Jersey.... think of me as center left.

You are not even close to center

To begin a thread based on what people do not say, and then to project that to make some confused political comment is speaking to the EXTREME LEFT. Fact is, your working theory here is almost straight out of the two farther left websites, which as I recall may be the ONLY sites trying to make your point.

You speak as if ANYONE does not understand the racism except you. Everyone gets that, But, you are INSISTING to make this political. It is not quite that simple. Nothing is as simple as you make it. You think nothing whatsoever about condemning so many people with your allegations pointers at large numbers of people, and NEVER understanding that, at times, your far left liberal site are wrong and tell fibs, either by commission or omission.

Guest 06-20-2015 02:18 PM

Apparent Manifesto of Charleston Killer Dylann Roof Surfaces


The alleged manifesto of Dylann Roof was discovered online today.

Guest 06-20-2015 02:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076801)
You are not even close to center

To begin a thread based on what people do not say, and then to project that to make some confused political comment is speaking to the EXTREME LEFT. Fact is, your working theory here is almost straight out of the two farther left websites, which as I recall may be the ONLY sites trying to make your point.

You speak as if ANYONE does not understand the racism except you. Everyone gets that, But, you are INSISTING to make this political. It is not quite that simple. Nothing is as simple as you make it. You think nothing whatsoever about condemning so many people with your allegations pointers at large numbers of people, and NEVER understanding that, at times, your far left liberal site are wrong and tell fibs, either by commission or omission.

I am sorry but I don't know what you are talking about.... what far left websites are you talking about?

Guest 06-20-2015 02:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076805)
Apparent Manifesto of Charleston Killer Dylann Roof Surfaces


The alleged manifesto of Dylann Roof was discovered online today.


Authorities investigate whether racist manifesto was written by alleged S.C. gunman - The Washington Post


Authorities are working today to investigate whether the racist manifesto was written by South Carolina gunman Dylann Roof.

Guest 06-20-2015 02:28 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076806)
I am sorry but I don't know what you are talking about.... what far left websites are you talking about?

THINKPROGRESS and DAILYBEAST right off the top of my head. Your presentation pretty much mirrored them, especially Beast. Those are extreme left and not center as you profess.

I read them both which is how I can recognize them on here. I honestly read a lot, and they remind me why I left the Democratic Party and its hypocrisy.

Which reminds me, as a true Democrat, place your Democratic beliefs next to your candidate and tell me how they stack up. She has a ton of "word smithing" to do.

Guest 06-20-2015 02:30 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076801)
You are not even close to center

To begin a thread based on what people do not say, and then to project that to make some confused political comment is speaking to the EXTREME LEFT. Fact is, your working theory here is almost straight out of the two farther left websites, which as I recall may be the ONLY sites trying to make your point.

You speak as if ANYONE does not understand the racism except you. Everyone gets that, But, you are INSISTING to make this political. It is not quite that simple. Nothing is as simple as you make it. You think nothing whatsoever about condemning so many people with your allegations pointers at large numbers of people, and NEVER understanding that, at times, your far left liberal site are wrong and tell fibs, either by commission or omission.

I posted links from MSNBC reporting on Ben Carson with whom this time I agree..
And then the New York Times.

It seems all you want to do is attack me personally something I have refrained from doing....

Guest 06-20-2015 02:42 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076814)
I posted links from MSNBC reporting on Ben Carson with whom this time I agree..
And then the New York Times.

It seems all you want to do is attack me personally something I have refrained from doing....

I must leave anyway...Fathers day guests have arrived but wanted to say this...

You always feel personally attacked and dismiss what you say, or have said as if it never occurred. When you attack, expect people to come back at you.

But most of all.....everything in this world is NOT a political divide. You seem to want to pigeon hole all of us, tag us with a label. I guess that makes it easy for you, but it will cause folks to get into your face, but you never seem to recall what you said to prompt it.

I, and others take great offense to you generalizations about people. Life is not that simple, and as I look at my lovely daughter, I am reminded how she once said one of the biggest lessons I taught her was, that things are not as simple as you think, so listen.

And I pass that to you. Listen and learn before you condemn people or groups of people, because over time I have been subject to a few of those, and not one was correct.

Guest 06-20-2015 02:43 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076819)
I must leave anyway...Fathers day guests have arrived but wanted to say this...

You always feel personally attacked and dismiss what you say, or have said as if it never occurred. When you attack, expect people to come back at you.

But most of all.....everything in this world is NOT a political divide. You seem to want to pigeon hole all of us, tag us with a label. I guess that makes it easy for you, but it will cause folks to get into your face, but you never seem to recall what you said to prompt it.

I, and others take great offense to you generalizations about people. Life is not that simple, and as I look at my lovely daughter, I am reminded how she once said one of the biggest lessons I taught her was, that things are not as simple as you think, so listen.

And I pass that to you. Listen and learn before you condemn people or groups of people, because over time I have been subject to a few of those, and not one was correct.

Have fun.....

Guest 06-20-2015 02:56 PM

Thank God life in the Villages isn't as tumultuous as the essence of these posts. Somewhere out there exists reality and truth. May we keep seeking it.

Guest 06-20-2015 03:21 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076797)
The killer is clearly racist, a twisted minded wacko. He does not represent all racists!
Racism does exist in America. The killer in no way represents that racism. He is an isolated example.

The incident or the individual does define racism in America........only an isolated twisted, druggie.

The generalization based on an isolated individual is not applicable....however that is too often how these incidents are portrayed only to suit an agenda.

It almost sounds as though you are defending racists in saying that Roof does not represent all racists. Please tell me that I am misunderstanding your post.

Guest 06-20-2015 03:29 PM

The killer represents mental illness and what happens when left unchecked.

Guest 06-20-2015 04:12 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076812)
THINKPROGRESS and DAILYBEAST right off the top of my head. Your presentation pretty much mirrored them, especially Beast. Those are extreme left and not center as you profess.

I read them both which is how I can recognize them on here. I honestly read a lot, and they remind me why I left the Democratic Party and its hypocrisy.

Which reminds me, as a true Democrat, place your Democratic beliefs next to your candidate and tell me how they stack up. She has a ton of "word smithing" to do.

Never been to ThinkProgress nor Daily Beast nor Blue Nation Review, I did once visit Daily Kos.

If you are referring to Hillary... she was my candidate but her views on immigration our very left of my position. Took myself off her email list....told you center left!!!

Guest 06-20-2015 04:38 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076846)
It almost sounds as though you are defending racists in saying that Roof does not represent all racists. Please tell me that I am misunderstanding your post.

You are definitely Misunderstanding!
Read it again without reaching a conclusion before finishing.

Guest 06-20-2015 04:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076797)
The killer is clearly racist, a twisted minded wacko. He does not represent all racists!
Racism does exist in America. The killer in no way represents that racism. He is an isolated example.

The incident or the individual does define racism in America........only an isolated twisted, druggie.

The generalization based on an isolated individual is not applicable....however that is too often how these incidents are portrayed only to suit an agenda.

Sarcasm, I hope?

Guest 06-20-2015 06:17 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076495)
Racism, this is about racism and the inability of those on the right, its news outlet and its leaders to be able to say clearly and without ambiguity that this particular killing of 9 black people was motivated by racism. Why are you on the right so afraid to acknowledge the existence of racism? Why do you deflect and ignore the only real motivation that existed in this event. Why didn't Governor Haley or Senator Graham or the other right wing leaders have the wisdom to simply say "This was a racist act by a racist?" No, instead they suggested it was anti-Christian, or we can never understand such things. Funny, but when a Muslim kills we don't hear about mental illness or gun control or poor parenting like so many posters here have said. No, we correctly hear about an evil ideology which is supported by evil institutions. Racism is the ideology in this particular slaughter, the killer announced his reasons loud and clear and that was very early in the news cycle. And as the original poster I can tell you I did not see this on the Huffington website which I rarely read. So you are wrong, wrong about another thing you seem to be so certain of knowing.

You are correct this terrible loss of real good people was clearly racism. But to have an honest, meaningful dialog about racism we have to bring black, violent crime into the discussion. I'm from a very white state and don't believe I'm racist but I am blown away by the amount of black crime in my new state and think it impacts my thinking. The flood of easy to obtain firearms in this country just adds to the problem. But again those were real decent people who died at the hands of that ignorant, terribly misguided young man.

Guest 06-21-2015 12:52 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076819)
I must leave anyway...Fathers day guests have arrived but wanted to say this...

You always feel personally attacked and dismiss what you say, or have said as if it never occurred. When you attack, expect people to come back at you.

But most of all.....everything in this world is NOT a political divide. You seem to want to pigeon hole all of us, tag us with a label. I guess that makes it easy for you, but it will cause folks to get into your face, but you never seem to recall what you said to prompt it.

I, and others take great offense to you generalizations about people. Life is not that simple, and as I look at my lovely daughter, I am reminded how she once said one of the biggest lessons I taught her was, that things are not as simple as you think, so listen.

And I pass that to you. Listen and learn before you condemn people or groups of people, because over time I have been subject to a few of those, and not one was correct.

I really like this. Sounds like you were a great father........Happy Father's Day to you and all the other fathers on here!

Guest 06-22-2015 10:51 AM

Yes, you are spot on. This was a failure of whatever family and friends he might have had to act. Anyone who chooses to politicize this should be ashamed.

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Posted by Guest (Post 1076850)
The killer represents mental illness and what happens when left unchecked.


Guest 06-22-2015 03:53 PM

The kids today listen to rap music with the n-word repeatedly in it, why.

How do you explain to your 12 year old white son that at the school bus stop it's OK for all of the black kids to call each other the n-word and call him a honkey, but if he even says the n-word he will be labeled a racist for the rest of his life, have his life threatened and be afraid to leave the house.

That's the part about racism that gets left out of the news.

Then we get a 21 year old boy that hates blacks and we just don't know why!


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