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Old 02-23-2015, 07:23 PM
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President Franklin Delano Obama Addresses the Threat of 1930s Violent Extremism

"Before we castigate the Nazis, and their jayvee organization the SS, let us remember the Inquisition and the Crusades."

by Victor Davis Hanson
February 22, 2015
Imagine Obama as an American president in 1939.

The United States has made significant gainsin our struggle against violent extremism in Europe. We are watching carefully aggressions in Czechoslovakia, Austria, and in Eastern Europe. My diplomatic team has made it very clear that aggression against neighbors is inappropriate and unacceptable. We live in the 20th century, where the 19th century practice of changing borders by the use of force has no place in the present era.

Let me be perfectly clear: Mr. Hitler is playing to a domestic audience. He adopts a sort of macho shtick, as a cut-up in the back of the class who appeals to disaffected countrymen. Our task is to demonstrate to Mr. Hitler that his current behavior is not really in his own interest, and brings neither security nor profit to Germany.

As for acts of violence in Germany itself, we must express our worry to the German government over apparent extremism, but at the same time we must not overreact. As far as these sporadic attacks on random civilians, as, for example, during the recent Kristallnacht violence, we must keep things in perspective, when, for example, some terrorists randomly targeted some folks in a store. My job is sort of like a big-city mayor, to monitor these terrorist acts that are said to be done in the name of the German people. Let us not overreact and begin to listen to radio commentators who whip us up into a frenzy as if we were on the verge of war. We must not overestimate the SS, a sort of jayvee organization that remains a manageable problem.

Here let me just say that we must never fall into the trap of blaming the German people abroad, but especially our German community here at home. National Socialism by no means has anything to do with socialism. These terrorists are desperate for legitimacy, and all of us have a responsibility to refute the notion that groups like the SS somehow represent socialism because that is a falsehood that embraces the terrorist narrative. It is true that America and Germany have a complicated history, but there is no clash of civilizations. The notion that the America would be at war with Germany is an ugly lie.

So make no mistake about it: National Socialism has nothing to do with Germany or the German people but is rather a violent extremist organization that has perverted the culture of Germany. It is an extremist ideology that thrives on the joblessness of Germanyand can be best opposed by the international community going to the root of German unemployment and economic hard times. Let us not confuse Nazism with legitimate expressions of German nationalism. Stiff-arm saluting and jack boots are legitimate tenets of Germanism, and the German Brotherhood, for example, is a largely peaceful organization.

So we Americans must not get on our own high horse. We, too, have bullied our neighbors and invaded them. We, too, have struggled with racism and anti-Semitism, slavery and Jim Crow. And our own culture has at times treated American citizens in the same callous way as the National Socialist do Germans. Before we castigate the Nazis, let us remember the Inquisition and the Crusades.

In the face of Nazi challenge, we must stand united internationally and here at home opposing workplace violence and man-caused disasters. We know that overseas contingency operations alone cannot solve the problem of Nazi aggression. Nor can we simply take outSS troopers who kill innocent civilians. We also have to confront the violent extremists the propagandists working for Dr. Goebbels and Herr Himmler, recruiters and enablers who may not directly engage in man-caused disasters themselves, but who radicalize, recruit and incite others to do so. One of the chief missions of our new aeronautics board will be to reach out to Germans to make them feel proud of German achievement. I want to remind Americans that Germans fostered the Renaissance, and helped create sophisticated navigation, mathematics, and medicine. This week, we will take an important step forward, as governments, civil society groups and community leaders from more than 60 nations will gather in Washington for a global summit on countering violent extremism. We hope that the efforts of those like Mr. Chamberlain, Mr. Daladier and others will focus on empowering local communities, especially in Britain and France.

Groups like the SS offer a twisted interpretation of German culture that is rejected by the overwhelming majority of the worlds German-speaking communities. The world must continue to lift up the voices of moderate German pastors and scholars who teach the true peaceful nature of German culture. We can echo the testimonies of former SS operatives and storm troopers who know how these terrorists betray Germany. We can help German entrepreneurs and youths work with the private sector to develop media tools to counter extremist Nazi narratives on radio and in newspapers.

We know from experience that the best way to protect all people, especially young people, from falling into the grip of violent extremists like the SS and the National Socialists is the support of their family, friends, teachers and faith leaders throughout Germany and Western Europe in general.

More broadly, groups like those headed by Herr Hitler and the National Socialists exploit the anger that festers when people in Germany feel that injustice and corruption leave them with no chance of improving their lives. The world has to offer todays youth something better. Here I would remind ourselves of our past behavior in waging wars near the homeland of Germany. I opposed the Great War, and further opposed the Versailles Treaty that disturbed the region and stirred up violent passions and extremism.

Governments like those in Europe that deny human rights play into the hands of extremists who claim that violence is the only way to achieve change. Efforts to counter such violent extremism will only succeed if citizens can address legitimate grievances through the democratic process and express themselves through strong civil societies. Those efforts must be matched by economic, educational and entrepreneurial development so people have hope for a life of dignity. It does no good to talk of wars against Germany or Italy, or to demonize particular political movements as if they are monolithic or in any way represent the feeling of the majority of Germans and Italians.

Finally with Nazism and fascism peddling the lie that the United States is at war with Germany and Italy all of us have a role to play by upholding the pluralistic values that define us as Americans. This week well be joined by people of many faiths, including German and Italian Americans who make extraordinary contributions to our country every day. Its a reminder that America is successful because we welcome people of all faiths and backgrounds. Germany has always been a part of America, always a part of the American story. The future will not belong to those who slander German culture. I made clear that America is not and never will be at war with Germany.

That pluralism has at times been threatened by hateful ideologies and individuals from various nations. Weve seen tragic killings directed at particular groups in our country, among them German Americans.

We do not yet know why at times Germans have been attacked here in the United States. But we know that many German Americans across our country are worried and afraid. Americans of all faiths and backgrounds must continue to stand united with the German community in mourning and insist that no one should ever be targeted because of who they are, what they look like, or how they worship.

Our campaign to prevent people around the world from being radicalized to violence is ultimately a battle for hearts and minds. With this weeks summit here at Washington, well show once more that unlike terrorists who only offer misery and death it is our free societies and diverse communities that offer the true path to opportunity, justice and dignity.
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:17 PM
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I'm missing the tie-in between FDR's statement and Obama.
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:26 PM
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Just the fact you referenced president Obma with FDR makes me even more proud of his accomplishments, in spite of radicalistic right wing ideals over the last 6 years! Don't forget FDR kicked the crap out of the Nazis.
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:29 PM
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[QUOTE=Guest;1019017]Just the fact you referenced president Obma with FDR makes me even more proud of his accomplishments, in spite of radicalistic right wing ideals over the last 6 years! Don't forget FDR kicked the crap out of the Nazis.[/

I don't agree. But hey that's just my opinion.
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Old 02-25-2015, 10:56 AM
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Just the fact you referenced president Obma with FDR makes me even more proud of his accomplishments, in spite of radicalistic right wing ideals over the last 6 years! Don't forget FDR kicked the crap out of the Nazis.
Based on your comment it's clear you didn't come close to understanding what the point of the post was all about.
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:28 PM
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And the point of the post was...?
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:32 PM
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And the point of the post was...?

the point of the post was whether Obama should be on mt rushmore, just like FDR.

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Old 02-25-2015, 01:02 PM
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And the point of the post was...?
To envision what Obama would likely have done had he been President in the 1930s and approached Nazism the same way he is now dealing fecklessly with ISIS

Short version, had Obama been in office at the time vs FDR we would all be speaking German today. Heil etc

Draw your own conclusions regarding how well his "enlightened" non-strategy against ISIS will work today
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Old 02-26-2015, 04:36 AM
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Knowing that German's were Christians,anti-Semitic and not happy about the outcome of WW I the War in Europe seemed inevitable. My spin is that he was trying to calm anti-German hysteria in the US. At the time people of German ancestry were the largest immigrant population. After the horrors of WW I many Americans were anti-German and German Americans tried to hide their ancestry. Many Americans were against the going to war over what was happening in Europe.
As I recall Congress declared war after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. The Japanese helped get us into the war. Realistically the U.S. had been preparing for the inevitable.
I would imagine that the reality is that the U.S. is dealing with ISIS. Both political parties have nothing to gain by not acting to defend against the threat. Even preceding the 9/11 attacks information about the threat was out there. Read some history on that piece of terrorism.
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Old 02-26-2015, 06:15 AM
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To shorten it all both Europe and the US were ill prepared to face Hilter because they underestimated him. France collapsed quickly and it took Britian three years for its first victory.

The United States had woefully let defense spending lapse but for the strong patriotic climate that permeated this country resulting in a coming together, that this melting pot had never experienced we would have been lost. The manufacturing sector converted from products of butter to guns and we owe them our gratitude.

Today's America has forgotten the past and we risk much underestimating our enemy in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East. Unfortunately the liberals in this country seem to have taken a dislike to their own country. You see clear signs in Hollywood, Universities and our own government.
We have let our defense spending lapse and have a feckless foreign policy

As a side bar it is also why I believe we should continue the use of fossil fuels because green only leaves us quite vulnerable


I do not know whether it is conceit , arrogance or ignorance, perhaps it is all of the aforementioned.

In my humble view we have to return to a no nonsense foreign policy, build a strong war machine and return to the draft. I encourage the draft because just a small percentage of our population is making that sacrifice. We have young people who could care less as to what is going on because they are dumb fat and happy (i e have no skin in the game). so I am promoting the return of the draft as often as I can and where I can.

We should all not waste our energy and time about the depiction Obama but funnel our beliefs to our federal representatives, newspapers, the internet, etc. The time for talk is over

Yes I served and served proudly. And i also believe a presidential candidate who has military experience should be a most sought after bona fide

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An American Patriot
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Old 02-26-2015, 08:20 AM
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The US eclipses every other world nation with defense spending....

Defense Budget by Country
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:51 AM
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This reminds me of the hysteria over Communists in Hollywood, Universities and government during the "McCarthy Era". you have to be an early Baby Boomer to remember the reality of that. We had a strong military during the First Iraq War. If we hadn't continued the War beyond the initial victory, Iraq and the rest of the Middle East wouldn't be our problem. What is going on now is a direct result of our belief that cruise missiles and bunker busters would result in an early victory. What is going on now can't be dealt with by just "boots on the ground". An active duty army neighbor who had been in in the midst of fighting says "the Iraqi's aren't into the fight." How much military spending can correct this.
I would hope our Congressmen cast aside political rhetoric and examine the real options for solving a problem that goes beyond a solution by the OUR military.
I'm in agreement about the draft.
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Old 02-26-2015, 10:09 AM
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This reminds me of the hysteria over Communists in Hollywood, Universities and government during the "McCarthy Era". you have to be an early Baby Boomer to remember the reality of that. We had a strong military during the First Iraq War. If we hadn't continued the War beyond the initial victory, Iraq and the rest of the Middle East wouldn't be our problem. What is going on now is a direct result of our belief that cruise missiles and bunker busters would result in an early victory. What is going on now can't be dealt with by just "boots on the ground". An active duty army neighbor who had been in in the midst of fighting says "the Iraqi's aren't into the fight." How much military spending can correct this.
I would hope our Congressmen cast aside political rhetoric and examine the real options for solving a problem that goes beyond a solution by the OUR military.
I'm in agreement about the draft.
More accurately, this reminds us of the heads buried in a dark place of denial about the Nazi threat in the mid to late 1930s. Read your history.
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Old 02-26-2015, 09:55 PM
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I believe history reveals that the consensus in the US was for non-involvement in the war in Europe. . The Government was aware of what was coming and had to ramp up military production. Under Roosevelt there was the Lend Lease act to supply weaponry to England, Russia and China. During the three term President the Allies defeated the Axis powers. I don't recall what percentage of politicians Democrat or Republican thought going to war was a good idea in the 1930's.
I wouldn't overlook the comment based on first hand experience of my Army neighbor. If the people you are fighting for aren't in the fight how can there be an ultimate victory.
Anyone remember the Vietnam War? The French were defeated and the US got involved using the "Gulf of Tonkin Resolution " to escalate in a manner that sped up our involvement. The "Domino Theory" fanned the need to square off against the China, Russia backed North Vietnamese. Now, fifty years later we trade with all three of our sworn enemies. Would an earlier and more costly involvement in Vietnam changed the outcome and at what cost.
It is difficult to speculate about the earliest moment to engage in mankind's most destructive achievement to bring about the desired result. The cost in human life is not a petty thing.
 

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