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Guest 11-09-2015 06:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1143119)
I don't have kids. Why am I paying for your children and grandchildren to go to school?

I have nobody in my family who are unemployed; why am I paying for someone in maybe your family who is unemployed ?

Guest 11-09-2015 07:09 PM

That's my point. We pay what our majority wants. I don't like some social programs and others I do. I vote for the politicians that agree more with my views and then accept what the majority that votes wants.

Guest 11-09-2015 07:31 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1143150)
That's my point. We pay what our majority wants. I don't like some social programs and others I do. I vote for the politicians that agree more with my views and then accept what the majority that votes wants.

Do you really think the majority gets what it wants?
Not based on what has been going on in recent years they do not.
The majority is walked all over by special interest, minority groups and yeas minorities....every day that goes by.

Voting for politicians that agree with your views? Is that supposed to work?
How did we get Obama Scare health care then? Overwhelming number of Americans were and still are agianst it.
How the the Canadian pipeline just get cancelled?
Overwhelming number of Americans were for it.

Maybe you were just having a flash back to when there was a representaive form of govenment in America.
It is most certainly NOT anymore.....and has gotten significantly worse the past 7 years!

Guest 11-09-2015 10:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1143119)
I don't have kids. Why am I paying for your children and grandchildren to go to school?

You can move to a state that does not tax seniors on schools. You could make a nice profit on your home sale here, too.

Guest 11-10-2015 10:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1143165)
Do you really think the majority gets what it wants?
Not based on what has been going on in recent years they do not.
The majority is walked all over by special interest, minority groups and yeas minorities....every day that goes by.

Voting for politicians that agree with your views? Is that supposed to work?
How did we get Obama Scare health care then? Overwhelming number of Americans were and still are agianst it.
How the the Canadian pipeline just get cancelled?
Overwhelming number of Americans were for it.

Maybe you were just having a flash back to when there was a representaive form of govenment in America.
It is most certainly NOT anymore.....and has gotten significantly worse the past 7 years!

Repeat for those who missed it or ignored it!

Guest 11-11-2015 07:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1142899)
Tuition to state colleges and universities is a good idea. Books, room and board would not be covered. In return for the free tuition, a mandatory service to America would be excellent payback - sort of like VISTA.

My daughter finally obtained her Bachelor degree and Masters in her early 30s having used student loans. She served in the Peace Corps making no money except for living expenses while the interest on her loans kept piling up. She now works for a non-profit in NYC with under privledged kids in the juvenile justice system barely making enough to make rent. Yes, these are her choices and she feels a need to serve while those loans just keep growing with the interest piling up. If she could somehow figure out how to make even the minimum payments on her loan that payment would not even cover the interest accruing every month. I am not making excuses for her - I am saying there is another side to this student loan mess that most aren't aware of.

Guest 11-11-2015 07:45 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1144093)
My daughter finally obtained her Bachelor degree and Masters in her early 30s having used student loans. She served in the Peace Corps making no money except for living expenses while the interest on her loans kept piling up. She now works for a non-profit in NYC with under privledged kids in the juvenile justice system barely making enough to make rent. Yes, these are her choices and she feels a need to serve while those loans just keep growing with the interest piling up. If she could somehow figure out how to make even the minimum payments on her loan that payment would not even cover the interest accruing every month. I am not making excuses for her - I am saying there is another side to this student loan mess that most aren't aware of.

There is always a legitimate true need for examples like the above.
What I am against is the politicizing of the issue and an across the board forgiving of loans for the majority who are in fact living the good life because of their financed education and now feigning reasons why they cannot afford one thing or another.

The exceptions need strict guidelines that will not allow the unethical exploitations.

Guest 11-12-2015 06:51 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1144107)
There is always a legitimate true need for examples like the above.
What I am against is the politicizing of the issue and an across the board forgiving of loans for the majority who are in fact living the good life because of their financed education and now feigning reasons why they cannot afford one thing or another.

The exceptions need strict guidelines that will not allow the unethical exploitations.

Exactly!

Guest 11-12-2015 07:27 AM

Like amnesty for illegal aliens, I am against forgiving gov loans for college students.

I worked and raised a family of four children while I took my college courses in my spare time. What spare time you may ask. I worked three jobs at some points. It wasn't easy, but it proved that I wanted that piece of paper that I THOUGHT I needed to get ahead. That is a myth perpetrated by the elite to make them feel important. But, that is another subject.

I sent my daughters to private school so that they could get an education without the disruptions seen daily at public schools. I didn't own a new car for twenty plus years as I worked to provide a decent education for them. That continued into their college for two of them. We obtained some student loans that I agreed to pay for if they graduated with a degree. I did not want them to work while in school, so I provided all their extras, such as food and entertainment, books and travel. My youngest graduated with a four year degree at age 20, with honors. I'm providing this information to alleviate any questions.

I am a firm believer that when you take out a loan, whether it is a college loan or a mortgage, you agreed to pay back the loan institution. They gave you the loan in good faith, therefore you should pay it back in good faith. We paid all our obligations of student loans over several years, but WE paid the loans back. Student loans are part of the education of these young people. If they shrug off the loans without paying them back, then they did not get a decent education.

Besides, a college degree is not the only way to make a good living. Vocational training will make some young folks just as much or more than those with degrees. While I was earning my lower degree, I had certifications that allowed me to make the same exact pay as my colleague that had a PHD. At one point I was making six figures with only a two year degree. So, a college degree being a tool or key for entry into many careers, but is not an end all requirement for making a decent living. I will never push someone to obtain a college education if I don't think they have the means or inclination to pay it back. Coddling children makes weak adults. The gov should NOT pay for a free college degree. We have seen what kind of mischief children get into when everything is done for them, and example being the current college protests.

It is bad enough that the Feds have become involved in the public school system and corrupted it. If individual states believe that these children deserve a free college education, then let them tax their residents to do so. The Feds have messed up education to the point where a high school diploma today means that the graduate barely knows how to read, and forget about math. Civics seems to be a thing of the past. A high school education today is not even close to equal that of yesteryear.

Guest 11-12-2015 09:20 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1144214)
Like amnesty for illegal aliens, I am against forgiving gov loans for college students.

I worked and raised a family of four children while I took my college courses in my spare time. What spare time you may ask. I worked three jobs at some points. It wasn't easy, but it proved that I wanted that piece of paper that I THOUGHT I needed to get ahead. That is a myth perpetrated by the elite to make them feel important. But, that is another subject.

I sent my daughters to private school so that they could get an education without the disruptions seen daily at public schools. I didn't own a new car for twenty plus years as I worked to provide a decent education for them. That continued into their college for two of them. We obtained some student loans that I agreed to pay for if they graduated with a degree. I did not want them to work while in school, so I provided all their extras, such as food and entertainment, books and travel. My youngest graduated with a four year degree at age 20, with honors. I'm providing this information to alleviate any questions.

I am a firm believer that when you take out a loan, whether it is a college loan or a mortgage, you agreed to pay back the loan institution. They gave you the loan in good faith, therefore you should pay it back in good faith. We paid all our obligations of student loans over several years, but WE paid the loans back. Student loans are part of the education of these young people. If they shrug off the loans without paying them back, then they did not get a decent education.

Besides, a college degree is not the only way to make a good living. Vocational training will make some young folks just as much or more than those with degrees. While I was earning my lower degree, I had certifications that allowed me to make the same exact pay as my colleague that had a PHD. At one point I was making six figures with only a two year degree. So, a college degree being a tool or key for entry into many careers, but is not an end all requirement for making a decent living. I will never push someone to obtain a college education if I don't think they have the means or inclination to pay it back. Coddling children makes weak adults. The gov should NOT pay for a free college degree. We have seen what kind of mischief children get into when everything is done for them, and example being the current college protests.

It is bad enough that the Feds have become involved in the public school system and corrupted it. If individual states believe that these children deserve a free college education, then let them tax their residents to do so. The Feds have messed up education to the point where a high school diploma today means that the graduate barely knows how to read, and forget about math. Civics seems to be a thing of the past. A high school education today is not even close to equal that of yesteryear.

:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

from one who raised a family of while going to college......shool 8AM until 2 PM then work from 3 OM to 10 PM then school work from 11PM until?

After graduation, very happy to honor the commitment that allowed me to afford to do it....I PAID MY LOAN BACK over the 10 years as promised. And I can tell those who are claiming loan hardship.....BS! Using the cowardly definitions of "hardships" being parroted today, I would have been at the head of the line by a mile.

MAKE THEM PAY!!!!!

Guest 11-12-2015 09:53 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1144093)
My daughter finally obtained her Bachelor degree and Masters in her early 30s having used student loans. She served in the Peace Corps making no money except for living expenses while the interest on her loans kept piling up. She now works for a non-profit in NYC with under privledged kids in the juvenile justice system barely making enough to make rent. Yes, these are her choices and she feels a need to serve while those loans just keep growing with the interest piling up. If she could somehow figure out how to make even the minimum payments on her loan that payment would not even cover the interest accruing every month. I am not making excuses for her - I am saying there is another side to this student loan mess that most aren't aware of.

I don't mean to disparage your daughter when I say this. Why would your daughter go to all the expense of obtaining a Masters degree, if she does not wish to pay it back? After all, she has the tool to obtain a well paying job. It is admirable that she is doing all this volunteer work, but she still have an obligation to the loan company, regardless of her good intentions. If one wishes to volunteer and still obtain an education, then they should seek a position in the military or some other institution that is willing to trade an education for a service. I'm sorry but good intentions does not supersede obligations. What if someone borrowed a hundred grand from you and then after using that money for their personal use, told you that you should forgive them the loan because they have good intentions, and because of that, you should not expect payment in the foreseeable future, if at all. But not to worry, they are doing good and honorable things as a result of your sacrifice.
======= Not aimed at you:
I wonder if anyone understands the old saying that "money doesn't grow on trees." Money has to come from somewhere, or someone. Why is it OK with liberals to assume that it is OK to TAKE someone else's money as long as they have good intentions for it? They have no regard for how hard someone else may have had to work for that money, because if that person has more than them, it should be shared.

Guest 11-13-2015 07:06 PM

I'm thinking about the loans these kids have today and would like to have someone tell me in today's dollars how that shakes out. Tuition is much higher and salaries are lower. So someone with a better brain then mine please do the math. Compare someone graduating from college in the 60's and the average student loan debt and the salary they could expect to receive as a teacher to someone graduating in 2015 with the same parameters.

Guest 11-13-2015 07:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1145029)
I'm thinking about the loans these kids have today and would like to have someone tell me in today's dollars how that shakes out. Tuition is much higher and salaries are lower. So someone with a better brain then mine please do the math. Compare someone graduating from college in the 60's and the average student loan debt and the salary they could expect to receive as a teacher to someone graduating in 2015 with the same parameters.

The point being sought is......?

Guest 11-13-2015 07:13 PM

If you are unable or unwilling to pay back a student loan...DON'T BORROW THE MONEY!!!

Guest 11-13-2015 07:21 PM

I think I am almost/almost convinced that abortion is prudent today. Postnatal abortion of useless child adults may be the solution to a slack society.


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