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Guest 03-15-2016 03:42 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199125)
Numerous books had been written on this subject and you want someone to provide a resource and website that you can examine. You can't be serious.

Liberals are definitely serious when asking you to jump through hoops so that they can laugh at you. They either know the truth and feign ignorance in order to disrupt the conversation, or are too lazy to counter with disputing facts. That's why they belong to the party of slavery, because they are so needy and really depend on the government for their very existence.

Guest 03-15-2016 04:44 PM

I have been out of town for the last couple of days and am saddened that this post has been relegated to childish name calling. It reminds me of years ago when a man, who was very angry with me, threatened physical violence. I said that we could fight if that is what he wanted but all that it would prove is that one of us could beat the other in a fight. It would not change any other part of the equation.

The name calling tells us all more about the name caller than it does about the one being targeted.

My preference, recognizing that we all (at least as of yet) have freedom of speech, is that we return to a more mature discussion.

tq

Guest 03-15-2016 05:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1198133)
asdfadf

What are you trying to say?

Guest 03-15-2016 05:08 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1198330)
Yours definitely would be.

Your response makes no sense to me. I am the OP and I was just asking if I can edit any of my posts. Some of my grammar was not selected as carefully as it could/should have been. We can edit our posts on the "regular" blog. I was just wondering if our political posts can be edited.

Guest 03-15-2016 05:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199141)
Liberals are definitely serious when asking you to jump through hoops so that they can laugh at you. They either know the truth and feign ignorance in order to disrupt the conversation, or are too lazy to counter with disputing facts. That's why they belong to the party of slavery, because they are so needy and really depend on the government for their very existence.


You have nothing to support your argument.

Guest 03-15-2016 05:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199186)
You have nothing to support your argument.

Can you provide a link or website to support your statement that he has nothing to support his argument?:1rotfl:

Guest 03-15-2016 05:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199192)
Can you provide a link or website to support your statement that he has nothing to support his argument?:1rotfl:

"Make sure that no matter how the conversation goes, you always come out as the correct one. Twist their words, your previous words, and the stream of logic to always prove yourself right."
How to Defend Yourself With Words: 8 Steps (with Pictures)

Guest 03-15-2016 06:01 PM

Economics?
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 1198057)
TOTAL BS.

You know nothing about economics, :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


In fact, you know absolutely nothing about anything!

Please explain your expertise in the field of economics. Do you really believe half this country is entitled to live off the efforts of the other half & expect this country to survive? Get your head out of your a$$.

Guest 03-15-2016 07:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1198911)
The start of the downfall of the middle class started during the reagan years. He taught the companies how to destroy the unions with the air traffic controllers. The companies kept their unions, chamber of commerce ect., but the commoners lost all theirs. When the unions were strong this country had its best years, check it out.

I worked in a union shop for 40 years, 12 as a union member and 28 as part of management. Union jobs in the private sector killed themselves as they forgot you need a customer willing to pay for that product you are making. Without that oft forgotten piece your high paying job is short lived when there is competition, as you can well see. Now the public sector is a different story as they have no competition so tax payers are on hook for the "good" high middle class wages you speak of.

Guest 03-15-2016 07:44 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199175)
I have been out of town for the last couple of days and am saddened that this post has been relegated to childish name calling. It reminds me of years ago when a man, who was very angry with me, threatened physical violence. I said that we could fight if that is what he wanted but all that it would prove is that one of us could beat the other in a fight. It would not change any other part of the equation.

The name calling tells us all more about the name caller than it does about the one being targeted.

My preference, recognizing that we all (at least as of yet) have freedom of speech, is that we return to a more mature discussion.

tq

Congrats on your letter to the editor in The Daily Sun today. Spot on!

Guest 03-15-2016 07:49 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199235)
Congrats on your letter to the editor in The Daily Sun today. Spot on!

I sincerely appreciate your comment. Thank you.

tq

Guest 03-15-2016 08:26 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199233)
I worked in a union shop for 40 years, 12 as a union member and 28 as part of management. Union jobs in the private sector killed themselves as they forgot you need a customer willing to pay for that product you are making. Without that oft forgotten piece your high paying job is short lived when there is competition, as you can well see. Now the public sector is a different story as they have no competition so tax payers are on hook for the "good" high middle class wages you speak of.

That's the problem. Apple makes the iphone in China. Trump wants to know why can't they build it here. What would an iphone cost if they made it here?
Take a look at Apple and HP manufacturing in China. How would that work culture go over here?

Guest 03-16-2016 02:23 PM

It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.

tq

Guest 03-16-2016 02:37 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199541)
It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.

tq

Pure speculation. I have no idea who my neighbors will be voting for and neither do you.

Guest 03-16-2016 02:50 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199541)
It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.

tq

Trump said that he would not change Social Security. He said that Obamacare costs the customer too much. He wants to make it easier to afford. Where did you get that he wants to cut their benefits. Who have you been talking to. I didn't vote for Trump. I voted against him, but he will probably be our candidate in the general election. I might not like him but I am not going to make up lies about him.

On the other hand, Bernie wants to increase EVERYONE's income/payroll taxes. That is so that lazy college kids, that want to party some before becoming adults, can skate for another four years without having a bill for it. They are stupid, of course because they will be paying for theirs and everyone else's college for the rest of their lives, if Bernie gets his way. Of course, he won't. He is just a looney. Hillary hides it a bit better, other than barking like a little dog. Of course, she tipped her hand the other day when she said she intended to put thousands out of work when she closes down all the coal mines.

Guest 03-16-2016 03:18 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199552)
Pure speculation. I have no idea who my neighbors will be voting for and neither do you.

It's not speculation, it's a proven fact. People don't vote to have their "benefits" cut. Have you ever asked your employer to lower your salary? Why do you think they would?

Guest 03-16-2016 04:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199581)
It's not speculation, it's a proven fact. People don't vote to have their "benefits" cut. Have you ever asked your employer to lower your salary? Why do you think they would?

Where and when did Donald Trump say that he would cut the "benefits" of Villiagers?

Guest 03-16-2016 04:45 PM

" Them Obama phones still work`n real good.......... "

Guest 03-16-2016 05:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199602)
Where and when did Donald Trump say that he would cut the "benefits" of Villiagers?

He didn't. Just more left wing lies generated because they have nothing major on him, to use against him in the election. We won't list all the things about Hillary and Bernie.

By the way, I heard Hillary giving a speech this week, where she said that she planned to shut down all coal mines and fire all the employees. That's worth putting thousands out of work. Nice touch from the left, when dealing with the middle class.....ha,ha. Bet she is not counting on votes from PA or WV.

Guest 03-16-2016 06:19 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199541)
It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.

tq

There seems to be a lot of poetic liscence taken or speculation.

I highlighted the one aspect that I think either you are not familiar with the details of those who populate what we affectionately call the historic side.
I have been here 12 years and have never ever heard of ANY part of TV to be considered low income.

I know several that live there and I can assure you it isn't because it is low income housing. The comment at best is undeserved prejudice. And does not do much for credibility.

All in my humble opinion.

Guest 03-16-2016 06:40 PM

Gotta laugh at that comment regarding "low income villagers, living on the historic side." Does that person understand that those folks are paying just as much for amenities as everyone else? The homes are bit cheaper in cost, but even those prices have gone up in the past couple of years. Low income??? What a laugh. If they were having it that hard, they could easily cut and run to a less expensive environment, outside of the Villages. Homes are less expensive for more home outside The Villages, and the prices for products are cheaper elsewhere. I hardly think that you could consider anyone living in The Villages as poverty level. Of course, if you own one of those multi-million dollar homes in The Villages, then I guess you might be tempted to think that everyone else is at the poverty level. I would hazard a guess that you would have to have a middle class income to live here, though.

Guest 03-16-2016 07:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199541)
It was said on another thread that over 50 percent of Americans get some sort of government assistance and therefore will vote for Hillary Clinton.

It was not said what kind of government assistance this was. Consider the large percentage of Villagers who take an extra $15,000 property tax exemption due to being low income seniors. Consider the Villagers who get food from local food pantries due to the fact they cannot live on the survivors Social Security. Consider the large number of low income families in Wildwood and Lady Lake. Look at a large number of Villagers living in very low income housing on the Historic side and in the Rio Grande area of The Villages.

These are our neighbors. They will be voting for the Democrat nominee and not some man who says he wants to cut their benefits.



tq



Just to make it clear. I did NOT type the above piece. Someone has chosen to use "tq". It is not my writing.

Guest 03-16-2016 07:18 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199681)
Gotta laugh at that comment regarding "low income villagers, living on the historic side." Does that person understand that those folks are paying just as much for amenities as everyone else? The homes are bit cheaper in cost, but even those prices have gone up in the past couple of years. Low income??? What a laugh. If they were having it that hard, they could easily cut and run to a less expensive environment, outside of the Villages. Homes are less expensive for more home outside The Villages, and the prices for products are cheaper elsewhere. I hardly think that you could consider anyone living in The Villages as poverty level. Of course, if you own one of those multi-million dollar homes in The Villages, then I guess you might be tempted to think that everyone else is at the poverty level. I would hazard a guess that you would have to have a middle class income to live here, though.



While this is repetitious I had nothing to do with the comment that you are referencing.

I have no problem with "taking heat" for whatever I may write but not interesting taking either credit or criticism for items that I have not been involved in.

tq

Guest 03-17-2016 04:10 AM

Our pet troll is trying to get attention again by using someone else's identity. He is good at playing this game. Nothing of substance to add, but still needing that little bit of attention that he can steal.

Guest 03-17-2016 10:07 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199779)
Our pet troll is trying to get attention again by using someone else's identity. He is good at playing this game. Nothing of substance to add, but still needing that little bit of attention that he can steal.

It makes a statement of the kind of person he or she is.

And hard up.

And frustrated at being on the losing side with choices like Clinton the felon or Bernie the socialist.

How sad.

Guest 03-17-2016 10:47 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199931)
It makes a statement of the kind of person he or she is.

And hard up.

And frustrated at being on the losing side with choices like Clinton the felon or Bernie the socialist.

How sad.

:agree:

Guest 03-17-2016 10:54 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199779)
Our pet troll is trying to get attention again by using someone else's identity. He is good at playing this game. Nothing of substance to add, but still needing that little bit of attention that he can steal.

1] The moderator knows who the pet troll is. Why can't he or she be identified?

2] Why would anyone sign their name or initials to a post when everyone else is wearing a ski mask or a hood?

Guest 03-17-2016 11:58 AM

Should the Virginia College kid in North Korea be released, sentenced to 15 years of hard time or we should give up something to get him released? What will Obama do and what would Trump do?

position one:
Of course it was a prank. Those are our values therefore they should be North Korea's values since we are on vacation.

position two
When in Rome......
Fifteen years of hard time.

position three
What kind of a stupid college administrator puts stupid college kids in harm's way? Put the ******* who decided college kids always use good judgement all the time in jail for fifteen years.

Which position is conservative, liberal or something that feels like common sense.?

Guest 03-17-2016 12:16 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199986)
Should the Virginia College kid in North Korea be released, sentenced to 15 years of hard time or we should give up something to get him released? What will Obama do and what would Trump do?

position one:
Of course it was a prank. Those are our values therefore they should be North Korea's values since we are on vacation.

position two
When in Rome......
Fifteen years of hard time.

position three
What kind of a stupid college administrator puts stupid college kids in harm's way? Put the ******* who decided college kids always use good judgement all the time in jail for fifteen years.

Which position is conservative, liberal or something that feels like common sense.?

And this the judgement of our young voters. Go figure.
Obama should do nothing. When the supreme leader fails at negotiation, it makes him appear weak. A consular officer should be sent in to see if he can negotiate a lighter sentence. That country has a very hard culture and they think of Americans as all being rich and spoiled. We should not trade anything in negotiating his release and he should definitely have to pay for this offense. This is an insult to their country as well as a theft/larceny. If they do release him, he should be punished back here, also.

I have had to negotiate the release from jail for our sailors at times when I worked for an Embassy. Foreign nationals look at ALL Americans as rich and spoiled. Some offenses seem trivial to us, but major insults to other cultures. An example is the slight of crossing one's legs and showing the other person the sole of your shoe while in conversation in a certain foreign country.

I am sure that this kid will learn his lesson. I hope he will not have to endure an extended stay in one of their prisons. He probably wouldn't make it.

Guest 03-17-2016 12:18 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199959)
1] The moderator knows who the pet troll is. Why can't he or she be identified?

2] Why would anyone sign their name or initials to a post when everyone else is wearing a ski mask or a hood?

1] My guess is that there is very little moderating going on in this forum. That is what makes it so fun for some.

2] Who would even want their screen name showing?

Guest 03-17-2016 12:25 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199997)
1] My guess is that there is very little moderating going on in this forum. That is what makes it so fun for some.

2] Who would even want their screen name showing?

You mean like yours??? :1rotfl:

A bit of tongue in cheek, Chi?

Guest 03-17-2016 12:53 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199997)
1] My guess is that there is very little moderating going on in this forum. That is what makes it so fun for some.

2] Who would even want their screen name showing?


Those who cannot justify their position/s or are embarrassed hide in anonymity.

Guest 03-17-2016 12:55 PM

Guess I should have added to the above that I publicly have no problem with my own personal positions. I recognize that I may be targeted but so be it.

tq

Guest 03-17-2016 02:16 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1200006)
Those who cannot justify their position/s or are embarrassed hide in anonymity.

good answer,
Guest

Guest 03-17-2016 02:21 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1200007)
Guess I should have added to the above that I publicly have no problem with my own personal positions. I recognize that I may be targeted but so be it.

tq

How do we know this is your own personal position? For all we know the real tq is watching the pros at Bay Hill instead of wasting his time on this thread.

Guest 03-17-2016 05:53 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1199995)
I have had to negotiate the release from jail for our sailors at times when I worked for an Embassy.

thank-you for your service and opinion

I have heard that all kinds of people, professional athletes, scholars and artists live in the villages. Thank-you for living here and I hope someday we get put together in a pick-up fore-some.

Guest 03-17-2016 07:22 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1200035)
How do we know this is your own personal position? For all we know the real tq is watching the pros at Bay Hill instead of wasting his time on this thread.

I do love the game of golf, in fact, I try to get in two or three rounds a week myself, but I am more concerned about the direction of our country. I may be wasting my time on this site, but if I can have even some small positive impact on anyone who reads this, then it is worth the time. I understand that many positions are abhorrent to some people, but that is their problem. I’ve also learned that name calling tells more about the name caller than the “callee”.

tq

Guest 03-17-2016 08:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1200157)
I do love the game of golf, in fact, I try to get in two or three rounds a week myself, but I am more concerned about the direction of our country. I may be wasting my time on this site, but if I can have even some small positive impact on anyone who reads this, then it is worth the time. I understand that many positions are abhorrent to some people, but that is their problem. I’ve also learned that name calling tells more about the name caller than the “callee”.

tq

Or they could come to a meeting of The Villages Tea Party to hear in person. I believe you are an officer of the group? Always good to hear in person rather than just on a forum.

Guest 03-17-2016 08:27 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1200157)
I do love the game of golf, in fact, I try to get in two or three rounds a week myself, but I am more concerned about the direction of our country. I may be wasting my time on this site, but if I can have even some small positive impact on anyone who reads this, then it is worth the time. I understand that many positions are abhorrent to some people, but that is their problem. I’ve also learned that name calling tells more about the name caller than the “callee”.

tq

My friend we will agree to disagree. My opinions are on the other side of the coin and like you there are many times that I feel like I am wasting my time. I golf about 10 times a week, once or twice a day yet I haven't improved for 50 years. I can't explain why I have hope that things will change. I just do.

Guest 03-17-2016 08:36 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1198013)
At some point even alcoholics sober up!

Your speaking of yourself, of course.


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