My, my, my!
 

Well, as long as YOU have YOURS, I guess the rest of the country can go chase it's tail! (I cleaned that up!) Hey, have you checked your Bible lately??? I'm just asking...

Proverbs 11:24-25
One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed.

Why is it that the emails that were discovered that show the fraud and conspiracy that has been used to support the climate change doomers, gets no press? The New York times says that they are true but wont run the story.

Yoda

Were our founders in the wrong country? They had no faith in the government. They took steps and here we are.

Yoda

Why don't "They" have theirs? What % just made wrong decisions. What % don't belong here. What % don't deserve "Theirs" or mine for that matter.

We as a nation have a long history of taking care of the less fortunate. The government stepped in to see that the greedy got "Theirs" (mine) also.

What % of "Mine" (our) do you think goes to the $150K fat cat congressmen for giving it to the greedy?

It is better that local communities take care of the needy, it's cheaper. It is because of liberals who did not want to part with their own money to help the poor that we have the problems of today. It is they who are selfish.

Yoda

What an attitude. All about me and the H--- with the rest. Good thing the majority doesnt think this way.

What is wrong with letting the individual decide who he gives his money to and not the government?

I'm 50 years old and my wife is 53. She stays home and I go to work each and every morning 55-60 hours per week. I've worked full time since I was 18 non-stop. I have no college degree. I make way less than 90k a year, WAY less. I drive a 6 year old truck and my wife drives a 7 year old Jeep. I have a job, decent health benefits 1/2 of which I pay, we give to the church every week and donate regularly to the Good Will and others.

We have a small home out in the country in Tennessee. Our kids and grand kids also live here and from time to time we help them with a little cash if they need it. I'd say a good 30-40% or more of what I earn is taken by the government already in one tax or another. I only have what little I have because I was smart enough to make a few good decisions along the way.

No one gave me a damn thing.

I guess it isn't fair I have a job. I guess it isn't fair that I have health benefits, I guess it isn't fair I can pay my mortgage, I guess it isn't fair that I have a truck when so many can't afford a car at all. I guess just about everything I've worked for all my life isn't fair because I have and others don't. According to Obama and apparently you too, I have too much. I need to give up more.

So my question to all the holier than thou liberals, just how much more do I need to give. How much is enough? Should I give up 60% of my earnings, 70%, 80%, all of it? Tell me Chels, how much of what I earn would you let me to keep to take care of my family?

Will you be happy when I can barely make my mortgage? Maybe you'll be happy if I just give up and go on the government hand-out train? Cap-n-Tax will raise my energy costs significantly. The liberals will let the Bush tax cuts expire so I can pay even more out of my families budget. Maybe it would make you happy if the government punishes the rich evil people who created my job?

What the hell is it you want??? More middle class blood so YOU can sleep better at night?

I give plenty and enough is taken from me in taxes. I'm so sick and tired of the liberal sanctimonious assaults against those like me just because there is a small percentage who can't seem to make it on their own. I can decide just fine on my own where my money goes and who I can help and who i can't. We don't need liberal thieves taking it from us at will all the while voting themselves pay raises whenever they want.

You want to help? Then break out your own damn money and leave mine alone. I have a family to feed.

Have you checked your Bible lately?

2 Thessalonians 3:10

"For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: "If anyone will not work, neither let him eat."

"The slothful hand hath wrought poverty: but the hand of the industrious getteth riches. He that trusteth to lies feedeth the winds: and the same runneth after birds that fly away."

dklassen---BRAVO!!!!

Question...
 

My question is "Why do you keep accusing liberals for wanting to give YOUR money away?"

Our government system didn't spring up over night! Are you saying only Democrats want to help the needy and no Republicans? I'm confused on this whole liberal rant.

Pastor Rick Warren was on Meet the Press this morning and I loved what he said. He said he was not Right Wing or Left Wing, he's the whole bird! He supports our country, our president and our congress. He doesn't want any to fail because that would be saying he wants America to fail. (BTW, he gave 90% of his earnings from his book, Purpose-Driven Life, to the needy. It is only the biggest selling book, next to the Bible, earning 10's of millions. I guess he must be some kind of socialist liberal in sheeps clothing!)

All I see in all of these Right Wing rants is an underlying, salivating, narcissistic war cry of "I got mine so leave me alone!!!! I want Obama to fail!" Oh yeah, that's real clever.

I don't care if you're right, left, or pigeon-toed. If there is one hungry or homeless person in this country, it is a travesty! And I won't stop bringing it to everyone's attention, so put on your ear muffs!

My Dad was my hero. Here was a man that worked hard as a bricklayer all of his life. He provided for my mother and I to the best of his abilities. Then when he came of age, he was "screwed" out of his pension by the bricklayer's union because of a loophole. He should have been bitter. I should be bitter. But no. My Dad was the kind of man, that if he had one dollar left to his name, and you needed it, he would give it to you. Sometimes keep a dime, sometimes not. Never missed a Santa Claus with a bell, or a bucket for Jerry's Kids. And it was not only money, but his time. He was the one digging people's cars out in a snowstorm. The one that would take all the kids in the neighborhood to the Zoo every Sunday, paying for them because many of their parents had even less than we did. He had a giving heart. And do you know, that when he passed away, people came from all around to grieve. You could barely get in the door of the chapel. Don't get me started on giving, because I learned from the best!

We will all be judged one day for our deeds. Faith, hope and charity. Not just words to needlepoint on a pillow!

I have no problem with your support of all these social programs at all...everyone has their opinions, but jumping to judgements on folks is a bit bothersome.

If you think that those who oppose this particular health bill are not good people, you are wrong. If you think that those who oppose this particular health bill do not care about the needy, you are wrong. That seems to be your thrust in total....you dont discuss how good or bad this is for the country from a pragmatic standpoint which is what we are doing.

I oppose this bill because it is the wrong bill at the wrong time. I do NOT oppose A health insurance bill, but I DO NOT support this one. I hope that is ok with you and your passing judgement on folks who dont approve of this health bill with biblical quotes is, to me anyway, very insulting.

You know how I feel about this President....I abhor and fear the social direction and it has NOTHING to do with what I do or dont do in my giving.....I have said I reserve judgement on his handling of foreign affairs.

I also know with all the hate and such you had for the previous president you surely didnt support him but you expect everyone to bow down and oppose nothing that is done by this administration.

Heck, even the Democrats dont agree on THIS bill, you quote biblical passages because people here and around the country can see the direction this is going !

For the last time...
 

Bucco, I've said this before and I'll say it again... FOR THE LAST TIME... I do not, nor did I HATE Bush. I don't HATE anyone. Nor did I abhor him. This is part of your dramatic language -- not mine!

I did support Bush, right up until the time all of his lies started to surface. It is my deep belief that he should NEVER have been in office. And before you even start spouting more drama, we're all aware that that's how you feel about Obama. That's fine. It's your opinion.

Never our "twains" shall meet! :)

Because that's what they do. They take from producers and give to non-produers. That's exactly what Obama is doing right now. Government in general takes and takes and takes. It's NEVER enough and it's not about helping anyone. It's about VOTES and control.

How did they get the 60th vote for the health care debate? They gave 300 million in federal tax payers dollars to a Democrat Senator to buy her off because she was going to vote no. How many poor people could buy health insurance for 300 million?

THINK PEOPLE! It's not about I have mine and now screw you. It's about government taking and taking and taking and doing as they damn well please with it... mostly for their own benefit.

I earned it and I should make the decision who I help and who I don't. Did you ever stop to think how people may be able to help each other or even themselves if the government wasn't picking everyone's pocket for every last red cent?

They all do it and they are all thieves. They are out for themselves and no one else. Democrats are the worst when it comes to that and Republicans hold a close second.

Well, here we go again with that word LIE...strong word !!!! I never use it about anyone unless it is personal. But wont search any posts...just know that your "disregard" "strong dislike" for anyone in that administration is/has been demonstrated. (heck used to be you even didnt like Obama)

HOWEVER, I still think it a bit "self important" to judge with biblical terms those who oppose this particular health bill, because it does not apply on a lot of levels...certainly those words do not apply to those who give but dont want to be TOLD to whom they must give ! Self righteousness is also mentioned quite a bit in the Bible.

I'll grant you the peerage point but neither you nor Monckton offer precise info that claims to scientifically say that there is no global warming going on.
What about those island nations that are seeing their above-water land disappear? Who can disprove what they are experiencing?
Forget the politics...what about what is actually happening?

Read it and weep
 

What are you reading. Where did you get the idea that we are now experiencing global warming. You must be still reading the Gorey lies. If You do not believe that the global warming hoax has been exposed then there is no more I can say to you.

Reply with facts
 

It has been several days since I asked for substantive information from those of you who claim to debunk the scientific claim that there is global warming...global climate change...even Sarah Palin acknowledges it.
Why are you so silent?

I did not imply anything...you inferred stuff that was not on my mind.

[QUOTE=saratogaman;237536]I did not imply anything...you inferred stuff that was not on my mind.

Okay...state your point...substantiate your point of view...and let's discuss ir.

Saratogaman--- Of course there is climate change. Always and forever. Sarah Palin believes in climate change, as does everybody, but she does not believe it is man made.

Stupidity
 

It is stupid to think that Man not God can change the climate.

Question...
 

Sally, if this is your position, are you saying you don't think "man" has contributed and accelerated it either? And what are your thoughts on air pollution? :024:

Chels--- Yes, I think man can pollute the air, to a degree. I know you're from Chicago. Remember how horrible Gary, IN was, years ago? Becasue of the mills you couldn't see the sky. Steps were taken and it is much better now. What I don't agree with is that man can cause seas to rise etc.etc. I think it is all about control, as is the health care bill. Just my opinion.

Go Sally
 

Sally you say it so well. God bless people like you who have the ability to think without being influenced by idiology.

Here are two very honest takes on climate change. The first is an article in the November 30, 2009 WSJ titled, “The Climate Science Isn’t Settled” by Richard S. Lindzen, Sloan Professor of Meteorology at MIT.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...917025400.html

This second article is a slide presentation detailing the, “Thirty Five Inconvenient Truths”, in Al Gore’s movies that have come to be accepted the ‘overwhelming scientific consensus.’

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/mo...oreerrors.html

If you would like further information, I can provide it, including open statements of skepticism by a Nobel Prize winning physicist. I would have posted sooner, but had not been following this thread.

I have it over simplified in my mind by believing
 

global warming is as bad for us as they say health care reform is good for us!!!!

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Given how eager the news is to tear down people who are 'on top', I'm surprised many of these connections don't get more press. I mean, they were all over Clinton - so it can't really be a Democrat/GOP thing.

I's been more than a few days since I first replied to your question and I decided to add a little bit more evidence.

Real data concerning such things as warming and rising sea level has been requested. First, let’s deal with warming. The best source of data from a consistently measured source is the US NCDC Annual Climate Review. This source provides annual data including average annual temperature for the United States. Source site- http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/...s-summary.html

Even a casual perusal of this site with show two significant warming periods:

The first from 1895 to 1934 - a rise of 4.8 degrees Fahrenheit.
The second from 1978 to 1998 – a rise of 4.2 degrees Fahrenheit.

Both these periods had a high temperature of 55.0 degrees Fahrenheit.

The first cooling period went from 1994 to 1978 – a drop of 4 degrees Fahrenheit.
The second cooling period began in 1998 and through 2008 has shown a drop of 2 degrees Fahrenheit to 53.0 degrees. This is only 0.2 degrees above the 20th century average of 52.8 degrees.

The second subject is “What about those island nations that are seeing their above-water land disappear?” To look at this objectively, I again go back to data provided by The National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration, NOAA.

The data from 149 stations around the world is summarized at http://www.pol.ac.uk/psmsl/psmsl_ind..._stations.html The period of time measured varies from a few decades to well over 150 years. The locations go from Reykjavik, Iceland to Argentine Islands, Antarctica hitting 147 points around the world in between. Some of the stations show sea level rising and some show it dropping. This nasty old world of ours insists on variation over time.

Anyone is welcome to go to the source documents and examine them and then draw conclusions, however, after do a spreadsheet analysis of the data, I found the average rate of sea level rise to be 2.42” per century. This is hardly a disaster in the making.

Is our globe warming at this time? I believe, though am not sure, the answer is yes. We are certainly warmer than we were in the 18th century when the East River regularly froze over. We are certainly cooler than we were when the Vikings established colonies on Greenland and supported an agrarian life style there.

Is there any evidence that the causes of this warming, in contrast to others that have gone before it, are anthropogenic? In MYHO the answer is to this is an emphatic NO!
What we need to fear is not global warming, but global cooling. Ice ages have dominated the history of the earth with for every 15 to 20 thousand years of warming, such as we enjoy now, there were centuries of cold. In severe cases, this resulted in ‘ice-ball’ earth. The last ice age came to an end about 18,00 years ago when the ice above what is now Chicago was over three miles deep. Imagine the impact on our ‘bread basket’ of this vast cold and then imagine how many of us could exist in this bare earth with only ice and desert.

Just my thoughts. I’d love to hear positions supporting anthropogenic global warming, and/or anthropogenic climate change, backed up with real scientific data rather the scare mongering tactics now employed. Can anyone supply this, please?

I wish I had the source data - but I was watching a report that was done on atmosperic temperatures in the aftermath of 9/11 - when there were no planes in the sky other than a few military aircraft. If I remember correctly, there was a measurable amount of cooling when the airplanes weren't contributing to atmospheric pollution - which then went "back to normal" when the planes started flying again.

So, again, there are even more factors to consider and we DON'T have all the answers.

I quite agree- unfortunately the source data for 1999-2001 has been redacted by NOAA. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/index.php

While we do not have all the information, we do know that last year and by projections this year are back to the 1900-2000 mean. No'global warming' here. We do know that total sea ice area remains unchanged over the last thirty years per NASA reports and we do know that sea levels have not been rising at a rate above previous centuries. The question remains, "How long will we continue to listen to special interest groups and ignore the scientific data?"

BTW, Saratogaman I am still waiting for some data supporting your beliefs. I have provided a great deal of data supporting skepticism, but have seen no data that justifies the religious fervor of the climate change believers. Please spare us rants from Al Gore, the Island nations, etc. Just give us the data.

Did anyone see Beck's appearance on Leno from Friday night? I was, to say the least, surprised.