You're making my point for me. Warning me about losing my soul? That's EXACTLY the response I expected and actually WANTED from you because it demonstrates just how volatile the subject matter is. In that respect I *completely* agree with you.

My point about the whole 'failed twin' thing was in regards to the idea that a zygote is supposed to have human rights - ALL of them - which is what I'm lead to believe the Mississippi proposal was all about.

But to something that happens more often, the part where you wrote about, for example, the mother's diet. If MI's measure had passed, you know SOMEONE was going to go along the lines of pointing out how a woman could be charged with negligent homicide if their infant died of neglect - THEREFORE the same standard should be exercised in defense of the fetus. As you said, it's not always criminal - but you know very well there are times it WOULD be.. And just where would we draw the line on that? Heck, it's hard enough drawing the line on viability (and that line moves with technological development).

Now, I give you credit for bringing up the "3 year old shoots sibling" scenario - took me a few seconds to find 37 *million* hits on or related to young children shooting others - and the arguments going on trying to decide just WHEN to hold someone responsible for their actions. I should have thought of that myself.

...a rose by any other name would still smell sweet :thumbup:
zygote...embryo...fetus...parasite...ALL of which have it's own seperate and distinctly unigue set of chromosomes-hence a totally seperate and distinct life from that of ANY other living thing. By the way-Not OPINION-It's BIOLOGICAL FACT...

BRILLIANT!!; What a concise and easy to understand commentary that even a socialist might understand.

Deserves it's own thread. Cogent and timely.

Rubicon never seems upset and angry with his posts. He was not ranting, as you put it. You also ended your tirade with the word GEEZ!!!

You want to talk about the man/father's responsibility?!

~A man who tries but falls behind in support payments is reviled as a “deadbeat” and uncaring parent. A women who refuses all responsibility and kills her baby faces no such insults, and no questions about good parenting and responsibility. Some will even laud her for her “choice” and frame it as a civil rights victory.

~“I am the father of an aborted baby and your article strikes very close to my heart. 5 years ago I was completely powerless to save the life of my unborn child and have suffered depression ever since.” - Marlon

~Many sympathetic emails were from women. “I have personally experienced watching a man helplessly discover his girlfriend aborted a child he wanted dearly, and not a THING could be done.” T-Muncy.


~Kathryn shared, “My brother-in-law's girlfriend decided she didn't want to be with him anymore. She flew to Seattle (we live in AK) to get an abortion at 6 months. My Brother-in-law was crushed!”


~Anastasia asked women to consider the man’s position by reversing the roles: “Imagine if a man did not want a baby, and the woman was forced to get an abortion. Outrageously unfair, right?”

~Another email noted: If the Supreme Court were to tell the average woman that the father of the child could kill her unborn child for reasons of “finding himself, or he’s not ready for a child, or he finds a child inconvenient to his career path,” watch the women of this country rise up!

http://justifiedright.typepad.com/ju...speak-out.html

~Most often it is best to have a man counsel a post-abortive father. He needs a safe and minimally gender-neutral environment in which to become vulnerable. He needs to know that he will not be judged or condemned and that everything he shares will be held in the strictest of confidence. Allow him to grieve his loss and shame. Let him cry as much as he needs to. The grief is as real as that caused by the death of a two-year-old toddler. This was his child and, in his heart, he instinctively knows it.

~Mark Twain said, "Forgiveness is the fragrance that the violet sheds on the heel that has crushed it." This is truly poignant for post-abortive parents. A crucial aspect of post-abortion counseling is the realization of divine forgiveness. This paves the way for forgiving others and - sometimes the hardest step of all - himself.

More proof of the devastation that abortion can cause for the daddys of these little humans
http://www.lifeissues.org/men/daddy.htm

Where do you get the facts to back such a ridiculous statement? Maybe if socialists and former government servants understood capitalism as much as they understand parasites and wealth distribution, they would know how wealth is created for everyone. ( hint: wealth is not created solely for our government)

You think that was a tirade? LOL If you agree with a position, it is rational and well put; if you don't, it is a tirade. Pretty transparent....It is indeed in the eye of the beholder. The word geez somehow also offends you? Well, GEEZ!!!! Geez means a statement of disbelief.

Sorry, your posts seem disconnected and not directed to the subject. Somehow the ignore list is looking reasonable.