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Guest 05-20-2015 12:08 PM
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I think all know who that poster is and her cronies.

Thankfully, they are fully charged radicals who represent a fringe, and before anyone says it....the Tea Party also has a fringe element and I discount them as well.

What strikes me about these few posters is their goal ignoring of anything of substance. To them life begins ands with favorable polls, and attacking anyone who does not think their way.

They "seem" to ascribe to the Alinsky theory of attack anyone who does not agree. Notice how our President does the same thin,even within his own party.

This is not in anyway a condemnation of the Democratic Party,nor a push for the GOP. Just a fact about a few posters on here who live by an ideology, and not principles. I do not believe it to be more than 3 or 4 but they post continually.

They preach hate, and then criticize others who they say hate....they preach tolerance, and show total intolerance to others. I suspect their day is complete only if the can attack someone.

Country needs a dialogue on a lot of things. Thankfully this person, and her little group know so very little about anything but their ideology makes them ineligible for reasonable conversation.

Oh, if only it were so simple as one party having all the answers...would sure make life simple. I suspect that this simplicity is what drives these few ideologues since they cannot even recognize the hypocrisy of their attacks. They seem to feel that THEY, and THEY alone get to choose what race, what age,what nationality is to be offered up. Then turn around and support the hate of any group they, or their ideological websites decide to hate. Votes, polls, and hate are the primary colors.
The message I get from her posts, and those of her cronies is that they want SINGLE PARTY rule, much as was fostered in the past in other countries.

They seem to support anyone in that party no matter what is known. They harangue on those who make and earn money, yet idolize a woman who is the epitome of everything they "say" they hate. All Hillary Clinton needs to do is change part affiliation and she is the enemy.

Of course, both parties do this, but these few posters are so far left, they cannot even see not only the center,but the left of center. Radicalism defined. Hypocrisy defined.

Again, this applies only to those few posters who gang together to flood the board. Reasonable people of both parties can discuss, disagree and find at least, an adult position not bases on hate and hypocrisy

Guest 05-20-2015 12:15 PM
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The GOP Is Dying Off. Literally. - Daniel J. McGraw - POLITICO Magazine


The only thing certain in life is death and taxes. It seems that the GOP's problem is the former, their members are dying off, literally.

By the 2016 election, almost three million Romney voters will have passed away. Of course, democratic voters have also died, but the difference is that they are being replaced by younger voters. Not so for republicans.

Younger people are not going to vote for the party that thinks women should not be able to choose what they do with their own bodies. They will not vote for the party that believes an employer should dictate what birth control a woman can use, or even if a woman be allowed to use birth control.

They will not vote for the party that excludes people because of who they love. Or excludes people because of their religious beliefs. The list is long and getting longer.

The GOP is out of step with the average American and can't win a presidential election without women, blacks, Hispanics, the LGBT community, and all other groups.
Dear Guest: I cannot get passed the belief you have that social issues are the guiding force for the future of this nation.

in your touting the so called advance social issue thinking you believe everything is gospel about how Republican think. You overreach on these issues which is a progressive trait. You ignore the real issues that keep this nation together. You do not ask yourself about how the democrats will help our economy grow. Democrats have proven they are incapable of governing
to wit Detroit, Baltimore, Washing DC, Chicago all blue and all in deep financial trouble scoring low in education with higher taxes, more poverty.

Even Rahm Emanuel finally figured out he had to lead like a conservative Republican or Chicago was going down the tubes and he is making progress.

I do not know who you are but you spite your nose and you deal in absolutes and you are behind the curve in your thinking. Obama experiment with America is a failure and the average voter has figured that out. do yourself a favor broaden your reading

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 05-20-2015 02:37 PM
The types of jobs matter. Wages matter. Percentage of the workforce with jobs matter. Dig deeper into the stats instead of cherry picking. As in most things in life, a few simple stats don't explain things. Do some real research on where we actually stand economically. Politicians take both blame and credit for things they really don't control. The real damage of government policies often take a long time to manifest itself. Do yourself a favor and make a real commitment to understanding what is really going on instead of grasping a few talking points you might hear from a talking head. The average person is simply a tool to be used and manipulated by both sides of the aisle. If you think your side of the aisle is any better than the other side you are sadly mistaken and very naive.

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You're joking right about the job creators? It would take both Bushes combined to equal the number of jobs created under President Obama. It would take four Bushes combined to equal the number of jobs created under President Clinton. Google it.

Guest 05-20-2015 03:41 PM
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The only statistical reality anyone needs to know is democrats won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections, from 1992 to 2012. If Hillary Clinton wins, that will make it six out of seven. The exception was in 2004, George W Bush beat John Kerry, and we all know how that worked out.
This article in the New Yorker magazine seems to take issue with your de facto deterministic approach ...

Here's the gist ...

"...It’s a data-driven article that examines what’s happening not only in Washington but in legislatures and statehouses around the country, which also have a significant impact on people’s lives. Trende and Byler conclude that the Republican Party is already stronger than it has been for many decades. With a good result in 2016, including a takeover of the White House, it could virtually sweep the board. Indeed, Trende and Byler say, the Republicans could end up in their strongest position since 1920, the year women got the vote."

Why 2016 Is So Very Important - The New Yorker

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Guest 05-20-2015 03:42 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1062883)
The types of jobs matter. Wages matter. Percentage of the workforce with jobs matter. Dig deeper into the stats instead of cherry picking. As in most things in life, a few simple stats don't explain things. Do some real research on where we actually stand economically. Politicians take both blame and credit for things they really don't control. The real damage of government policies often take a long time to manifest itself. Do yourself a favor and make a real commitment to understanding what is really going on instead of grasping a few talking points you might hear from a talking head. The average person is simply a tool to be used and manipulated by both sides of the aisle. If you think your side of the aisle is any better than the other side you are sadly mistaken and very naive.
Most economists are struggling a lot trying to find out what is going on. The unemployment numbers are up for discussion, and even Kiplinger is struggling to make sense. And this correct...TYPES of jobs are a big part of that discussion.

Guest 05-20-2015 07:28 PM
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The types of jobs matter. Wages matter. Percentage of the workforce with jobs matter. Dig deeper into the stats instead of cherry picking. As in most things in life, a few simple stats don't explain things. Do some real research on where we actually stand economically. Politicians take both blame and credit for things they really don't control. The real damage of government policies often take a long time to manifest itself. Do yourself a favor and make a real commitment to understanding what is really going on instead of grasping a few talking points you might hear from a talking head. The average person is simply a tool to be used and manipulated by both sides of the aisle. If you think your side of the aisle is any better than the other side you are sadly mistaken and very naive.
We are increasing the number of people that are receiving compensation without working or producing anything. That includes federal, state, and local public sector employees drawing pensions and medical care. Some of these for as little as 20 years of work. These can be paid for 40 to 50 years. In theory tax payers can be paying 4 employees when only one is working. We are increasing disability retirements at record pace with a low threshhole and a big assist from legal community. Our poor, unemployed or under employed add to these cost. We have segments of our society making millions without working or working very little. Private sector pensions are part of this but are disappearing very quickly. Private sector employment is also shrinking quickly with exception of service and medical sectors. You could argue the medical community really doesn't add to the country's wealth but really redistributes it and makes the problems worse by keeping us who are in the above mentioned collecting benefits longer. We are very much like Detroit and Greece only we have a money machine that is allowed to produce dollars at the expense of future generations. The debate over republicans and democrats just gives us cover to ignore what we are doing.

Guest 05-21-2015 09:20 AM
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We are increasing the number of people that are receiving compensation without working or producing anything. That includes federal, state, and local public sector employees drawing pensions and medical care. Some of these for as little as 20 years of work. These can be paid for 40 to 50 years. In theory tax payers can be paying 4 employees when only one is working. We are increasing disability retirements at record pace with a low threshhole and a big assist from legal community. Our poor, unemployed or under employed add to these cost. We have segments of our society making millions without working or working very little. Private sector pensions are part of this but are disappearing very quickly. Private sector employment is also shrinking quickly with exception of service and medical sectors. You could argue the medical community really doesn't add to the country's wealth but really redistributes it and makes the problems worse by keeping us who are in the above mentioned collecting benefits longer. We are very much like Detroit and Greece only we have a money machine that is allowed to produce dollars at the expense of future generations. The debate over republicans and democrats just gives us cover to ignore what we are doing.
Eloquent post and pretty much sums up our predicament.

Historically speaking, this type of situation has never worked out well for nations in the past. When adjustments come, and they are inevitable, they come pretty quickly and can get pretty ugly.

I feel so, so sorry and bad for our kids and grandkids. We have all let them down in so many ways.

Guest 05-21-2015 10:11 AM
The only way we have let the future generations down is by our actions in the voting booth. Voters refuse to impose term limits by continuing to vote for incumbents.

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Eloquent post and pretty much sums up our predicament.

Historically speaking, this type of situation has never worked out well for nations in the past. When adjustments come, and they are inevitable, they come pretty quickly and can get pretty ugly.

I feel so, so sorry and bad for our kids and grandkids. We have all let them down in so many ways.

Guest 05-21-2015 12:38 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1063213)
Eloquent post and pretty much sums up our predicament.

Historically speaking, this type of situation has never worked out well for nations in the past. When adjustments come, and they are inevitable, they come pretty quickly and can get pretty ugly.

I feel so, so sorry and bad for our kids and grandkids. We have all let them down in so many ways.
This does not seem to matter to the party loyalists or activists or radicals.
They do not seem to care about anything except electing their candidate.....NO MATTER WHAT!

Guest 05-21-2015 06:12 PM
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The GOP Is Dying Off. Literally. - Daniel J. McGraw - POLITICO Magazine


The only thing certain in life is death and taxes. It seems that the GOP's problem is the former, their members are dying off, literally.

By the 2016 election, almost three million Romney voters will have passed away. Of course, democratic voters have also died, but the difference is that they are being replaced by younger voters. Not so for republicans.

Younger people are not going to vote for the party that thinks women should not be able to choose what they do with their own bodies. They will not vote for the party that believes an employer should dictate what birth control a woman can use, or even if a woman be allowed to use birth control.

They will not vote for the party that excludes people because of who they love. Or excludes people because of their religious beliefs. The list is long and getting longer.

The GOP is out of step with the average American and can't win a presidential election without women, blacks, Hispanics, the LGBT community, and all other groups.
You forgot the illegals that are crossing by the hundreds of thousands and the Democrat votes being flown in from C. A. These will be planted in GOP strong holds to snuff out any opposition. Glad I won't be around in 20 years. China will be the world leader and USA will be 3rd world country like India few very rich and lots of poor. Too bad you won't be around to see it either. Go back and read your indoctrinated liberal bible the POLITICO

Guest 05-21-2015 06:19 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1063213)
Eloquent post and pretty much sums up our predicament.

Historically speaking, this type of situation has never worked out well for nations in the past. When adjustments come, and they are inevitable, they come pretty quickly and can get pretty ugly.

I feel so, so sorry and bad for our kids and grandkids. We have all let them down in so many ways.
Thank you for kind words. Although we are a small minority there some of us who own up to what we are doing and would really like to go after it. Because of my grandchildren I worry about the irreparable damage we are doing and refuse to even acknowledge.

Guest 05-21-2015 06:41 PM
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You forgot the illegals that are crossing by the hundreds of thousands and the Democrat votes being flown in from C. A. These will be planted in GOP strong holds to snuff out any opposition. Glad I won't be around in 20 years. China will be the world leader and USA will be 3rd world country like India few very rich and lots of poor. Too bad you won't be around to see it either. Go back and read your indoctrinated liberal bible the POLITICO
Speaking of voters dying off ... people forget that the Democrats have killed millions of potential voters via abortion, something like 50 million since 1973. Thus, it's understandable why they now favor open borders. The only way they can stay in power is to import millions of poor, ignorant and socialist inclined (ie Mexican) voters to fill the gap.

Corrupt. Immoral. Incompetent ... vote Democrat 2016.

Guest 05-21-2015 07:23 PM
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Posted by Guest (Post 1063500)
Speaking of voters dying off ... people forget that the Democrats have killed millions of potential voters via abortion, something like 50 million since 1973. Thus, it's understandable why they now favor open borders. The only way they can stay in power is to import millions of poor, ignorant and socialist inclined (ie Mexican) voters to fill the gap.



Corrupt. Immoral. Incompetent ... vote Democrat 2016.


Don't blame only the Democrats. The Republicans also want and demand cheap labor and they get it from these poor Latin immigrants ! Dems and Reps are just two sides of the same coin.

Guest 05-22-2015 08:36 PM
There are other opinions on this thread subject...

The GOP Is the Strongest It's Been in Decades | RealClearPolitics

"Rather than look simply at presidential performance, we look at party dominance at the federal, congressional, and state levels. One need only look at fights over voter identification laws, redistricting, food stamp benefits, Obamacare expansion, and a multitude of other battles from the last few years alone to understand the importance of non-federal elections. We therefore believe this approach gives a more complete measure of party strength."

Unbiased and written by folks non affiliated with either party.

and other are feeling the same way...

Democrats' Vanishing Future - NationalJournal.com

Both are current analysis from this past week.

Soo....insure you pay attention before you embalm a group a people


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