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Guest 09-29-2008 01:51 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 162754)
John has it right.

In my experience having worked for a dozen or so organizations, when they hire people they look for job skills, compatible temperament with the organization, and likelihood of retention.

Most women hired stayed for a relatively short duration due primarily to husbands' job change and secondarily because of pregnancy (priority of being a "mom"). These are facts of life in this culture; it is not bias against women. Employers value the ability to retain workers. It costs lots of money to hire and train employees.

When women go in and out of the work force because of changing lifestyle conditions, there is additional training required - even when they have college educations. Every employer and position has differenct needs.

It is too simplistic to have "equal pay for equal work" be the sole criteria because there are several other characteristics that are valuable to employers, like consistency and likelihood of being around awhile. Women aren't as likely to stick around as long and as consistently as men in this culture.

So, with a little social engineering that the dems would like to do, this too can change. Men, man your aprons!:police:

This might have been true in the 50's and 60's but now not so much. Even Palin went back to work quickly.

I have worked at the same company for 19 years and my last company for 14 years.

This is comment is totally sexist....

Guest 09-29-2008 06:19 PM

There are so many issues in this thread now I don't know where to begin.
Cabo - so Obama sued Citi Bank - he did his job for his client. I know you know all attorneys don't like their clients or agree with their objectives. Most of them just need the clients. If he was affiliated with ACORN, so what? If there was anything to come of the Rezco connection, believe me there would have been a commercial to smear it all over television. Also, you and Kahuana are two posters I really enjoy to read. Maybe I should just say, "Can't we all just get along?" 37 days and it will be over and half of us will have to live with the choice. Truly, everyone on this forum has made up their minds.

Guest 09-29-2008 07:00 PM

Mucci!
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 162754)
John has it right.

In my experience having worked for a dozen or so organizations, when they hire people they look for job skills, compatible temperament with the organization, and likelihood of retention.

Most women hired stayed for a relatively short duration due primarily to husbands' job change and secondarily because of pregnancy (priority of being a "mom"). These are facts of life in this culture; it is not bias against women. Employers value the ability to retain workers. It costs lots of money to hire and train employees.

When women go in and out of the work force because of changing lifestyle conditions, there is additional training required - even when they have college educations. Every employer and position has differenct needs.

It is too simplistic to have "equal pay for equal work" be the sole criteria because there are several other characteristics that are valuable to employers, like consistency and likelihood of being around awhile. Women aren't as likely to stick around as long and as consistently as men in this culture.

So, with a little social engineering that the dems would like to do, this too can change. Men, man your aprons!:police:

Mucci! You iddy biddy woofer! STOP! Tell that to your wonderful wife (a saint in my eyes) and your daughter! I absolutely know you can't mean what you're saying. :duck:

Guest 09-29-2008 07:08 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 162747)
Cabo.....Democrats come in different shapes and sizes....I happen to be one of those moderate Democrats. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal but before you do to much with that I believe in equal rights for everyone and some reasonable safety nets should be provided by the government.

So if I vote for Obama I will vote for him based on several issues:


Women on average make 77 cent on the $1.00 as compared with men. I still work and I am a college graduate with 30+ years experience.

John McCain voted against the Equal Pay for Women bill just recently and he was quoted as saying the reason was:

Women needed more education and training as compared with men.

I have 2 nephews in the military...one has been to Iraq 4 times and wounded the last time.

John McCain opposed the new GI Bill saying it was to generous. He voted against mental health and brain injury services for veterans. Vote 343 2005 and vote 222 2006

He voted against funding for troops safety equipment and vehicles. See vote 248 2005 and vote 376 2003. That was equipment for my nephew he voted against. My nephew needed equipment to go to Iraq, he called me so I bought it for him and if he had needed it I would have bought him the absolute best armored vest money could buy.

He received a 20% rating from the Disabled American Veterans in 2006 while Obama received an 80% rating.

When I vote I will vote on the issues.



COLOGAL...thought you might enjoy the link below

http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/...926bolick.html

Guest 09-29-2008 07:16 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 162759)
This might have been true in the 50's and 60's but now not so much. Even Palin went back to work quickly.

I have worked at the same company for 19 years and my last company for 14 years.

This is comment is totally sexist....

Reality is sexist.

Guest 10-04-2008 09:01 AM

from snopes-this is not true-it was for redlining
 
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/loans.asp
Obama sued CitiBanks for Redlining not for mortgages for people who could not pay.

Guest 10-04-2008 09:44 AM

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I am with you. I am so sick of giveaways to everybody....yes folks in banking and investment are getting rich...WHY...because they had a vehicle....this country saying we will GIVE a mortgage even if you cant afford it..even if you arent working...never mind earning !

We want to GIVE to people free everything..no more earning anything...we are imploding because what we are making is a very weak nation.

One of the problems is that no one action stands alone.

With the "free mortgages" came a boom in housing construction to meet the demand. That resulted in greater orders for durable consumeer goods (e.g, refridgerators, washing machines, etc.), more staffing in the services industry (e.g, pest control, supermarkets), more municipal employees (e.g., water & sewage providers, police, fire, inspectors, etc.) and so on, and so on.

Our economic elements are interdependent, and when you mess with one, there is a daisy-chain effect to some degree on others.

What makes this latest debacle so untasteful is its handling.

Guest 10-04-2008 10:00 AM

Let's see -- Obama was an associate at the Miner firm when the Roberson case came about. It was not about getting sub-prime loans, it was about redlining -- a much different issue. Redlining has nothing to do whether an applicant is credit worthy. It is about banks refusing to do ANY loans in certain neighborhoods.

Mr. Roberson did have the points to qualify for a loan. As a matter of fact, he was an A+ borrower. Had he applied for a loan in another neighborhood, he would have had no problem qualifying and getting a loan. However, Citibank deemed his neighborhood to be unworthy and refused to give him a loan on that basis.

From the sound of the article, Obama really was nothing more than a flunky at the Miner firm -- that's what associates are, until they are close to becoming a partner. They do the grunt work. They rarely appear in court except to carry the boxes (the paralegal is the one who pulls the papers out of those boxes -- not the associate). They do the research, do the frst few drafts of a pleading or appeal, take the depositions, draft the settlement agreemnt. They don't decide which cases they will or will not work on. They don't decide what position to take. They are the gofers and God love 'em -- they put in incredible hours with few rewards and sometimes for cases that they totally disagree with but they understand it is doing well on those cases that will give them the option as a partner to do the work they want.

That Obama even spoke before the Court of Appeals is pretty impressive. This is something associates rarely do. They must have had a lot of confidence in him even then. Being a behind-the-scene negotiator is a good thing and it sounds like Obama was good at it.

Sorry, I don't see your issue on this article. At least use the correct brush when you tar him.

Guest 10-04-2008 11:37 AM

Comments?
 
Great post Red! :agree:

Why don't the people of the Republican persuasion address all the De-regulation votes by McCain that got us to the mess we are in today? Why all this cherry picking, slanting and spin about Obama? I have yet to hear any of you EVER state that McCain did one wrong thing in his entire 26 years in government. Try addressing those things for a change.

Guest 10-04-2008 03:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 164351)
Great post Red! :agree:

Why don't the people of the Republican persuasion address all the De-regulation votes by McCain that got us to the mess we are in today? Why all this cherry picking, slanting and spin about Obama? I have yet to hear any of you EVER state that McCain did one wrong thing in his entire 26 years in government. Try addressing those things for a change.


Its only going to get worse now that the worm appears to have turned...the ads in Colorado have been stepped up a notch..the usual tax and spend liberal. Today I heard, on CNN or MSNBC, that perhaps the McCain campaign will try an link Obama to OJ Simpson. :1rotfl:

Maybe Palin should try a few more of these ;);)

Guest 10-04-2008 06:03 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 164351)
Great post Red! :agree:

Why don't the people of the Republican persuasion address all the De-regulation votes by McCain that got us to the mess we are in today? Why all this cherry picking, slanting and spin about Obama? I have yet to hear any of you EVER state that McCain did one wrong thing in his entire 26 years in government. Try addressing those things for a change.

Well, you have to read a bit further perhaps....I am livid with Sen McCain for the vote on the bail out filled with all the pork. I disagree on any number of issues with him.

If you think the any deregulation by Sen McCain got us into this mess, you are not trying to find out facts. What first comes to my mind is a comment by Jim Cramer on MSNBC the other morning, a Democrat and Obama supporter...he said and I am paraphrasing that he was impressed although not supporting Sen McCain (and he did make that very clear) when Sen McCain came out and called for the firing of the SEC head. Now Sen McCain was verbally abused for that, but a person that at least I trust in Jim Cramer, said it was the only sane voice he heard....anyway, the mess we are in.....if you go back two years...Sen McCain said there was a problem with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac...laughed at again...there were committe hearings where the Democrats said that it was a personal lynching...but lo and behold they were wrong and had the chance two years ago to fix it.

As far as Sen Obama is concerned, you know how I feel so your thrust certainly isnt aimed at me..I have been very clear...and I think you are the one who called him an "empty suit" during the primary....he is, at this point anyway, an "empty suit" to most folks who oppose him...I dont think as many people SUPPORT Sen McCain as are.....searching for a word so you dont come at me....apprehensive (hows that) about Sen Obama.

I dont know if this reponds to you...but there are many many things I disagree with Sen McCain on but I can see his record of over 20 years very very clearly and cannot say that about Sen Obama. And I am not saying we never take a chance, but to repeat my theme....I consider Sen Obama to be a radical left wing politician who believes in big government and having a Democratic congress at his whim is for me something to be "apprehensive" about. And remember I said with a Democratic Congress so you keep what I say in context !

When you have a candidate with no clear public record and lets say some
gray" areas in his background, this is what you have to expect !

Guest 10-04-2008 07:03 PM

Wink, wink . . .
 
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Posted by Guest (Post 164386)
Its only going to get worse now that the worm appears to have turned...the ads in Colorado have been stepped up a notch..the usual tax and spend liberal. Today I heard, on CNN or MSNBC, that perhaps the McCain campaign will try an link Obama to OJ Simpson. :1rotfl:

Maybe Palin should try a few more of these ;)

:1rotfl: Yes, maybe she can wink her way to the White House. I heard she came out like a viper today against Obama. OK. Now it's time for us to take our gloves off.



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